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    CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end

    Prizm4 Community Member

      If I'm moving an image across the screen, the final keyframe will not snap to the end of the clip (even though it does snap to the edge of the window). This is with the keyframe timeline zoomed-out. Once I snap the keyframe to the end, I have to manually zoom in on the keyframes, find the last keyframe which should be at the end of the clip but it's not, and then drag it to the absolute end of the clip.

       

      Anyone else having this problem? I have to do this every single time!

       

      http://i1.creativecow.net/u/159139/keyframe1.jpg

      Screenshot 1: Keyframe snapped to end of clip, timeline zoomed out.

       

      http://i1.creativecow.net/u/159139/keyframe2.jpg

      Screenshot 2: Timeline zoomed in, Why isn't the keyframe at the end??

        • 1. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
          the_wine_snob Community Member

          I have not noticed that, but use my PageUp/PageDn to get to the Head of a Clip, and then the left-facing Cursor key to get to the last Frame of the Previous Clip, for that last Keyframe. Will investigate.

           

          Good luck,

           

          Hunt

          • 2. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
            shooternz Community Member

            The final keyframe can not be right at the very end. ie the right hand edge of the last frame

             

            Key frames are  time based and so the very end is actually ... "time over"

             

            eg head of first frame in a 30 SECOND (PAL) timeline is 00:00

            The last frame in a 30 second program (PAL) is 29:24

            AT 30:00 there is no image because "time is over" (complete)

             

            Marks and keyframes relate to the "left hand edge of the frame"  ie the beginning of the event in time

            • 3. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
              Ann Bens ACP/MVPs

              However you can set keyframes beyond the in and outpoint of a clip.

              If you want to be able to see beyond a clip in/out point in the Effect Controls uncheck Pin to Clip in the Panel Menu.

              • 4. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                Prizm4 Community Member

                But the keyframe snapped to the end of the clip in CS5.5. This never used to be a problem. Now in CS6, if I don't manually drag the keyframe to the very end, my moving images stop moving just before the end of the clip - because the clip is longer than the final keyframe.

                • 5. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                  Prizm4 Community Member

                  But the keyframe snapped to the end of the clip in CS5.5. This never used to be a problem. Now in CS6, if I don't manually drag the keyframe to the very end, my moving images stop moving just before the end of the clip - because the clip is longer than the final keyframe.

                   

                   

                  Is anyone else having this problem?  This is a major issue for those that deal with a lot of images / slideshows.

                  • 6. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                    shooternz Community Member

                    Are you saying that the keyframe is not being set at the CTI point in the clip?

                     

                    Not sure what you mean by "snap" to the end of the clip or how you are setting the keyframe.

                    • 7. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                      the_wine_snob Community Member

                      Looking at your two screen-caps, there is a difference in Duration, between the two Clips shown:

                       

                      The first is 00;09;20;00 and the second is 00;09;23;00

                       

                      How was the Keyframe added in the second screen-cap?

                       

                      Good luck,

                       

                      Hunt

                      • 8. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                        shooternz Community Member

                        I just did a test in CS6 and it performs exactly as I expect.

                         

                        If the CTI is at the end of the Clip...that where the keyframe is placed. Precisely.

                        • 9. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                          Prizm4 Community Member

                          The first is 00;09;20;00 and the second is 00;09;23;00

                           

                          That's because I've zoomed in. The timeline adjusts automatically when I zoom in.

                           

                          Not sure what you mean by "snap" to the end of the clip or how you are setting the keyframe.

                           

                          I drag the keyframe to the right edge of the clip using the mouse. The keyframe snaps to the edge if you drag it to the start or end of the clip.

                           

                          If the CTI is at the end of the Clip...that where the keyframe is placed. Precisely.

                           

                          The method I'm using is with the mouse and dragging the keyframe to the end. As I mentioned, this has never been a problem in previous CS versions.

                           

                          I recorded it. You can see me add two keyframes: one at the beginning of a 15 second clip, one at the end.  However, when I zoom in, you can clearly see the keyframe is located 10 frames before the actual end of the clip.

                           

                           

                          I can upload the original high-res video if the YouTube video isn't clear enough. I wonder if this is some kind of window-metrics problem, ie, the Effects Controls window isn't properly aligned to the absolute end of the clip.

                          • 10. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                            shooternz Community Member

                            O.K

                             

                            I set my CTI before I set the keyframe.  ( If I need to move the keyframe subsequently, I drag it after I set it but always to another CTI position so that I can monitor it)

                             

                            If I want a keyframe at either  end of the clip I use the keyboard shortcut eg PG-dn /up (CS5)  or Up/Dn arrow keys (CS6).

                             

                            That snaps the key frame to the end of the clip (edit point).

                             

                            Reason I do this is that I dont usually have the Effects Window expanded enough to see the entire key frame setting pathway ( as per your your effects window as shown)

                            • 11. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                              jumpymonkey9 Community Member

                              I've experienced something just like this too.  If I have a clip selected, and am moving the CTI in the Effect Control window, I can move the CTI past the edge of the window.  If I put the CTI at the exact edge of the effect control window, the CTI is roughly 18 frames ahead of the end of the clip in the timeline.  Like Prizm said, it's like the effects window isn't aligned to the end of the clip.  I can scrub to the end of the clip in the effect window, but then I can't see the CTI anymore, it's hidden behind the edge of the window. 

                              • 12. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                shooternz Community Member

                                Actually ...I now concur that there is a difference in behaviour in the FX Window between CS5 and CS6.

                                • 13. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                  Prizm4 Community Member

                                  If I have a clip selected, and am moving the CTI in the Effect Control window, I can move the CTI past the edge of the window.  If I put the CTI at the exact edge of the effect control window, the CTI is roughly 18 frames ahead of the end of the clip in the timeline.

                                   

                                  Good find, this looks like it's related to the same issue.  I've sent in a bug report for these problems. Hope they'll be able to fix it soon.

                                  • 14. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                    {KMS} Community Member

                                    I just came across the same problem.  I have been using PPRO since 1.0 (and before it was PPRO) and this is the first time I have seen this behavior....really annoying.  The reason why I don't set keyframes at the end of clips is because if you use arrow up to go to the end of the clip you see the first frame of the next clip...little bit tough to set a keyframe when I can't see what it is effecting.  I usually set a keyframe in the middle of the clip using the effects control panel so I can see the effect and drag it to the end, but not moving to the absolute end is killing me...It's a few frames off.   As mentioned, if you are panning an image it stops moving before the duration of the image is over.

                                    • 15. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                      Jon-M-Spear Community Member

                                      For solidarity I, too, have noticed a similar issue.

                                       

                                      I cannot remember the exact circumstances, but I was in a hurry and dismissed it as human error.  Zooming into a misplaced keyframe in the effect window was not possible.  Its behaviour seemed very different from that of CS5.5.

                                       

                                      I will investigate further now I know it's not just moi!

                                      • 16. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                        Gazzaspi

                                        I have had the same issues moving the CTI in the Effect Control window, I can move the CTI past the right edge of the window. Arrow up sets the CTI correclty at the beging of the clip.  Arrow down takes the CTI a few  frames ahead of the end of the clip in the timeline. I thought is was human error, but now will report as a bug.

                                        • 17. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                          J. Simon Community Member

                                          arrow up to go to the end of the clip you see the first frame of the next clip

                                           

                                          So go back one frame.

                                          • 18. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                            {KMS} Community Member

                                            I shouldn't have to mess around with going to the end of the clip then back one frame due to a bug.  I should be able to just drag the keyframe to the end of the clip in the effects control panel (Like I have in every other version of PPRO.  Makes keyframing in the effects control panel not that great.  You can move the keyframes on the timeline, but you can only see one property at a time.) 

                                             

                                            Also, if there is a transition on the end of the clip you are applying keyframes to it makes it tough to see the effect of the keyframe on the clip.  I like my keyframes to be at the end of the transition and not stop part way through.

                                             

                                            There are a lot of workarounds to cope with it, but the fact is that the effects control panel does not display clips the way it should.  The heart of the problem is that the effects control panel does not display the entire tail end of a clip.  Part of the tail is obstructed by the UI.  The number of frames obscured by the UI is proportional to the length of the clip (longer clips have more frames hidden). 

                                             

                                            I am out of town today, but tonight I plan on creating a fast video capture of the problem to help people see what exactly I am talking about...hoping Adobe will have a fix for it soon...

                                            • 19. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                              J. Simon Community Member

                                              I agree you should be able to.

                                               

                                              But for now, you can't.  And most of us here are just users who can't change that fact.  So, we suggest alternatives.

                                              • 20. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                                shooternz Community Member

                                                I shouldn't have to mess around with going to the end of the clip then back one frame due to a bug.

                                                 

                                                AFAIK and recall..its always been this way.  One backs up one frame from the end of the clip to set the last achievable keyframe.

                                                 

                                                (The end of a clip is "the end of the clip".  ie. time is over and the clip has ended. There is no place in time to insert key frame data once the clip is over.)

                                                 

                                                The heart of the problem is that the effects control panel does not display the entire tail end of a clip. Part of the tail is obstructed by the UI. The number of frames obscured by the UI is proportional to the length of the clip (longer clips have more frames hidden).

                                                 

                                                I am not seeing any difference in CS6 from CS5.5 in this regard.

                                                I do not have any obscuring of the last frame.  The clip is displayed end to end.  One can not see past the end, The slide bar is max  limited to the extent of the clip.

                                                 

                                                Wondering if you have customised your Workspace (UI)?

                                                • 21. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                                  Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                                                  I think I see a couple of related problems. I upgraded from CS3 to CS6 so I don't have a historical reference for this. Maybe some of the other old timers can pitch in a few comments.

                                                   

                                                  First of all, I can't get the keyframe in the effects window to snap to the video frames. I have it set to do that, but it doesn't. I took away the ability to snap to anything else. Didn't help.

                                                   

                                                  To recreate this problem, zoom all the way in to the effects window and then create and move a keyframe around. Nice and smooth, isn't it. But wait. Should it be smooth? No. It should stop at a frame. Not in the middle, or 3/4 of the way through. It should stop at the same places the CTI stops when you step through the video one frame at a time. Right? Yes!

                                                   

                                                  I also see that the only way to get a keyframe to the end by using a mouse is to zoom all of the way in and then move it to the right. It appears that the vertical scroll bar is covering some of the effects window. Like they used an "inner stroke" instead of an "outer stroke". I think I got those terms right. So you can't actually see the end of the effects window, therefore you can't put anything there. It seems that the closest I can get while zoomed all the way out is about two and a half frames. Yes. I said it. HALF!  Yikes!

                                                   

                                                  So, as much as I don't like the idea of using end and arrow back one frame when I have a perfectly good mouse in my right hand, it appears that the only way to do this quickly is to give in to the keyboard fanatics. The mouse haters. You know the ones.

                                                   

                                                  Or, move the keyframe and zoom all of the way in - then move it more.

                                                   

                                                  Looks like a bug to me. I am curious if Adobe would prefer a bug report or a feature request.

                                                   

                                                  -- Steven

                                                  • 22. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                                    shooternz Community Member

                                                    Steven (and others)

                                                     

                                                    Try this.

                                                     

                                                    Select Clip in the timeline. 

                                                    Open FX Controls

                                                    Press Down Arrow

                                                    Press Left Arrow

                                                     

                                                    You are now at the last keyframeable frame in the clip.

                                                     

                                                    Right / Wrong?

                                                     

                                                    "Mouse Hater" - did you mean me?

                                                    • 23. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                                      Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                                                      shooternz,

                                                       

                                                      Of course you are correct. However, there are occasions when you want to set a keyframe in the middle of the clip and then drag it to the end. Why? Well, what if the video has a dissolve to black at the end. You can't see it. So how do you adjust the position, or the size, etc. So you create the keyframe before the fade to black, and then drag it to the end. But wait. Where the heck is the end? I have to put it almost at the end, then zoom all of the way in and move it the last little bit. On my system, it is about 2 and a half frames.

                                                       

                                                      So, pressing end, or down arrow. Either way, I have a mouse in my hand at that moment because I was messing with a rubberband. Why do I have to let go and use the keyboard?

                                                       

                                                      I am not saying this is a critical issue for me personally, but it is a bug and should be fixed.

                                                       

                                                      I am in San Jose quite often. I now live just up the road in Oakland. I would be happy to stop by and show the Adobe folks what I mean.

                                                      • 24. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                                        shooternz Community Member

                                                        Its interesting how we all work differently

                                                         

                                                        eg

                                                        Well, what if the video has a dissolve to black at the end. You can't see it. So how do you adjust the position, or the size, etc

                                                         

                                                        Generally I still work the same as I did when editing film on a bench / flat bed.  I make the edit and then do the transitions and heavy fx (cc/grade).  If I have dropped in a transition and run into the situation you mention...I simply drop it out then restore it.

                                                         

                                                        I also have been known to set a KF at a notional point in the clip and shift it around until it works for me. Including the end.

                                                         

                                                        BTW - If I drag a keyframe in FX Control Panel hard right to the limit and then back space one frame (Left Arrow).  That is also the last  keyframeable frame in the clip

                                                        • 25. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                                          Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                                                          It is interesting, isn't it?

                                                           

                                                          I may be old, but I didn't get my first video camera until I was in my late 40's. So I am still a beginner.

                                                           

                                                          If I could drag the keyframe all the way to the hard right, and have it be at the beginning of the last frame, I would be a happy puppy. But two and a half frames is just plain annoying.

                                                           

                                                          If I could set the CTI at the beginning of the last frame and use my mouse to drag the keyframe and snap to that point, it would be fine.

                                                           

                                                          But when I drag the keyframe and it doesn't snap to a frame. Any frame. Or the CTI.  Well, enough said.

                                                          • 26. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                                            shooternz Community Member

                                                            It is strange and I have tested and tested this on my CS6.

                                                             

                                                            If I mouse drag the CTI or a keyframe in the FX Control Window...hard right ...the indicator is definitely on the end  limit of the clip and one frame back shows the last frame of the clip. 

                                                             

                                                            At the limit ..I can only see 1/2 of the Orange Knob on top of the CTI or half the keyframe symbol.  Just enough to grab either  with the mouse.  Of course if I keyboard it back with the arrow keys..it is easy to get hold of it.

                                                             

                                                            I just can not replicate the two and a half frames issue.

                                                            • 27. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                                              {KMS} Community Member

                                                              Here is a short video I just created illustrating the problem.  I hope it is clear.  I appreciate all the help from fellow users.  I'm just glad that I don't animate pictures as much as I used to...please let me know if anything in the video is unclear.  I would recommend watching it on YouTube in HD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4T1WZhj588&feature=youtu.be

                                                               

                                                              • 28. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                                                shooternz Community Member

                                                                I can see that clearly.  Well presented.

                                                                 

                                                                But ..I can not get my system to do exactly that "short of end" issue.ie a few frames difference between the end of the clip in FX an Timeline.

                                                                 

                                                                The issue I do get is that indicators and keyframes gets stuck under or hidden by the vertical scroll bar in the FX Control Window.

                                                                 

                                                                The issues are related somehow and I agree a fix is needed

                                                                • 29. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                                                  Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                                                                  Instead of changing the size of the panel, just zoom all the way in. From there you can get to the end. As long as you are close to the end so you can see the keyframe when you zoom all the way in, you should be good to go.

                                                                   

                                                                  This is rather like unpinning from the clip, but you don't have to be quite as careful. Just grab it, slam it to the right, and move on.

                                                                   

                                                                  I was going to provide video, but I just looked at the clock. Time to get some sleep.

                                                                  • 30. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                                                    {KMS} Community Member

                                                                    Just filed my bug report.  I encourage others to do the same to get this issue resolve before version 6.5.  Thanks.

                                                                    • 31. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                                                      Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                                                                      I just filed mine. I explained it and then posted a link to this discussion.

                                                                       

                                                                      Maybe they will respond. Maybe not. I just hope they fix it. I use this method way more than I should and I am not in the mood to change now.

                                                                      • 32. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                                                        {KMS} Community Member

                                                                        Can anyone confirm if this problem has been addressed in the new update 6.02.  I won't be able to check it out until tonight.  I looked through the bug fixes in this release, but didn't see it mentioned.  Really hoping it was fixed.  Thanks.

                                                                        • 33. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                                                          jumpymonkey9 Community Member

                                                                          Nope, it's still there.  Guess it wasn't important enough to get looked at or something.

                                                                          • 34. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                                                            J. Simon Community Member

                                                                            Considering all the issues that did get resolved, it's a pretty safe assumption that this one wasn't very high priority.

                                                                            • 35. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                                                              Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                                                                              I am not so sure that it is still there.

                                                                               

                                                                              I just imported a still into a project, put it on the timeline, and up in the Effects Control panel, I was able to drag the CTI all the way to the right. Since this was the only thing on the timeline, when I drag to the right, the Program Monitor goes black. As expected when at the end of the timeline.

                                                                               

                                                                              Sometimes the CTI looks like it is just before the last frame, but when I release the mouse button it moves one to the right and the Program Monitor goes black.

                                                                               

                                                                              I tried again with a video clip. It works the same way.

                                                                               

                                                                              By George, I think they've got it.

                                                                              • 36. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                                                                jumpymonkey9 Community Member

                                                                                I tried what you did, and you are correct, but I think we've always been able to do that.  The problem we're having is that when we drag the CTI in the effects control panel all the way to the right, it actually disappears behind the vertical scroll bar of the effects control panel.  I'm guessing that's what happened when you did it.  And because that works that way, if you were to create a keyframe and drag it to the "end" of the clip in the effects control panel, the keyframe won't move behind the vertical scroll bar, so it's always a few frames short of the end of the clip.  So you have that extra step of zooming all the way in in the effects control panel and dragging the keyframe to the last frame of the clip (assuming that's where you want it).

                                                                                 

                                                                                I'm still having the problem after the update, so I really don't think they've fixed it.  I'd probably agree with Jim Simon on this one.  It's quite a small issue compared to fixing random crashes and footage becoming unlinked. 

                                                                                • 37. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                                                                  Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                                                                                  Rats. You are correct. I missed a step.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Oh well, next time.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Maybe.

                                                                                  • 38. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                                                                    LancFM104 Community Member

                                                                                    I am experiencing the same problem, i.e., the key frame window CTI and key indicators are hidden behind the right vertical scroll bar for the last few frames of the clip.  The workaround that I found is to move the left re-sizing edge of the window (even slightly will do) and the window "wakes up" and and will show the last frame in the clip.  That being said, the CTI and the key indicator are only "peeking" out past the edge, making them tricky to click on, even with a 24" monitor.

                                                                                    • 39. Re: CS6 - Keyframe won't snap to end of clip, it snaps just *before* the end
                                                                                      Mike_B3

                                                                                      So did this issue get dropped?  I'm still experiencing the same issue with the latest version of CS6. I hope Adobe didn't decide to fix this in CC and leave all of their CS6 users in the dust.

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