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      • 40. Re: picture package
        JJMack MVP

        TREES its my background I think when it come to files trees have always beed involved once man survied the stone ages. Then man cut down trees and made paper and start file keeping files creating libraries and statcks and stacks of books records accounts there needed to be a fileing system.  Trees were turned into paper tape and card stock we then mechenize it some more with punched paper tape and punched cards. Then we moved onto magnic tape then to dasd direct access stored disk like the RAMAC and operating system got formal names BOS TOS DOS languages as well then OS MFT MVT HASP ASP UNIX TSS VM CMS PCDOS NT Apple OS  NEXT BE oh so many some where along the line files system structure begain beeing call trees I can not remenber when for I'm lost in the forest I can not see past the trees.

        • 41. Re: picture package
          conroy Community Member

          JJ, the .app files on a Mac, e.g. "Photoshop CS 6.app", usually with the .app extension hidden in Finder and appearing to be a single file, are not the equivalent of Windows .exe. They are really folders containing multiple nested folders and files, some of which will be executables. In the case of CS6, over 1500 items are inside the one .app file.

          • 42. Re: picture package
            JJMack MVP

            Yes compamy like Microsoft and Apple want to keep their usres in the dark and hide thing on them. I'm 71 and can see thing quit well even though my eye lenses have been replaced. Their sight is still keen and they do not have much of a problem finding the hideing places guided my mind that has forgotten more then it ever knew at any given moment in time. Such is life... I have even used a Mac but that was long ago before Apple gave up on creating their own OS. OS7 and OS9 were the pits. I'm sure now that Apple uses a Unix OS that things have gotten some what better.  Apple still builds the Apple Shell to hide thing on the users and give them a smalltalk like window user  interface Xerox park did some great work and they were well ahead of the time. I bet the savy user has no problem pealing away that Apple skin and getting at the underlying Unix system.  Bell Labs created a versitile mini OS when they created Unix back in the mid 1960es.

            • 43. Re: picture package
              conroy Community Member

              JJMack wrote:

               

              Yes compamy like Microsoft and Apple want to keep their usres in the dark and hide thing on them.

               

              In the case of .app folders appearing to be files at first glance, and launching the contained application when double-clicked, I think Apple made the correct decision. This helps reduce the chance of naive users messing around with an application's resource files. To access the .app as a regular folder, simply right-click it and pick Show Package Contents.

              • 44. Re: picture package
                JJMack MVP

                Naive users normally do not mess around but they do make mistake and have accidental mouse clicks and have accidents while dragging and dropping.  Hiding what things are, hiding the existences of files and folders and excluding them from being searches for is a pain in my butt and an insult to our intelligence

                • 45. Re: picture package
                  Noel Carboni Community Member

                  Not that this has direct bearing on the subject material, but I need to vent.

                   

                  I feel compelled to offer an opinion as this subject is near and dear to me (I have two books published on how to set up all the expert options so Windows is NOT so dumbed-down)...

                   

                  Someone, somewhere in management (okay, a number of someones) think that systems have to be dumbed-down because users are stupid.

                   

                  I always thought, in my earlier years, in my naivety, that as we embraced the era of high tech people would get smarter.  That we would be heading toward a wonderful "Star Trek" future, where everyone gets an expert education, intelligence is cultivated, and even teenagers could pilot starships.

                   

                  Instead we have today's world:  Tabloid journalism, reality TV, and operating system writers in competition to see who can dumb things down more thoroughly.  Then decisions to deprecate features like "backup" because people don't use them.

                   

                  Grrrr!!!

                   

                  -Noel

                  • 46. Re: picture package
                    conroy Community Member

                    JJMack wrote:

                     

                    Naive users normally do not mess around but they do make mistake and have accidental mouse clicks and have accidents while dragging and dropping.  Hiding what things are, hiding the existences of files and folders and excluding them from being searches for is a pain in my butt and an insult to our intelligence

                     

                     

                    I think you are generalising whereas I explicitly stated that I was talking about the singular case of .app folders superficially appearing to be a single executable file. Anyone savvy enough to make use of the contents of a .app folder has absolutely no difficulty in getting access to them. As I said, a Finder menu item is provided for all users of the computer to open these folders. Nobody who is merely using an application has any reason to delve into an .app folder and will have no use for the contents, though. There are numerous search utilities which do not exclude the contents of .app folders.

                    • 47. Re: picture package
                      JJMack MVP

                      CS6PP.jpg

                       

                       

                      It seems that Photoshop users seem to need toooooo......

                      • 48. Re: picture package
                        conroy Community Member

                        JJMack wrote:

                         

                        It seems that Photoshop users seem to need toooooo......

                         

                        You lost me with that screenshot. Exactly what do Photoshop users need to do?

                        • 49. Re: picture package
                          JJMack MVP

                          To install scripts, plug-ins etc they need to address Photoshops Folders like the screen shows the cs5 Picture Package working in CS6 they would need to address CS6 Plug-ins folder and presest folder and also address CS5 Layouts folder

                          • 50. Re: picture package
                            conroy Community Member

                            JJMack wrote:

                             

                            To install scripts, plugind etc they need to address Photoshops Folders like the screen shows the cs5 Picture Package working in CS6 need to address CS6 Plug-ins folder and preset folder and also address CS5 Layouts folder

                             

                            The Presets and Plug-ins folders are not inside a .app on a Mac. The Adobe presets and plug-ins are in the folders shown in the screenshot below. A user's additional presets and plug-ins can be stored there or, as recommended, in Presets and Plug-ins folders in their personal Library space. No different to a Windows install of Ps CS6, I believe.

                             

                            As I said earlier, a .app does not contain anything for a user of the application to mess around with. It is tidier to keep the guts of the application out of sight. Anyone who does want to poke around in there can simply use menu item "Show Package Contents" so they will see the regular folders and files which are contained in the .app.

                             

                            CS6-Folders.png

                            • 51. Re: picture package
                              Community Member

                              JJMack,

                               

                              When I called your attention to the huge differences between Mac and Windows, I had no intention of hinting at an imagined superiority of either OS, but simply to remind you and others of the futility of attempting to give cross-platform advice.  It just doesn't work, period.

                               

                              The more you post and the more examples you attempt to give, the clearer it becomes that you don't have a clue as to Mac OS X and, with all due respect, that your Windows-centric outlook is of no use to a Mac user.

                               

                              I'm not ignorant of MS-DOS or Windows either, I was forced to use those infernal machines (sorry!) for some fifteen years when I worked for Uncle Sam, and at one point in time, due to deaths and illness in the IT staff, I became the de facto IT Dept for three or four months all by my lonesome self, running both the PCs (about 80 of them) and the Linux systems and putting in 18-hour workdays.  I shudder when I think back. 

                               

                              I also have a cheap Toshiba Windows laptop that I use when I travel—just so it won't hurt that much if it gets lost or stolen—and among my current small network of computers are two working PowerPC machines that boot natively into Mac OS 9.2.2 in order to run some custom, unupgradeable and irreplaceable, indispensable software.  My tiny network also includes Macs running Tiger and Snow Leopard.

                               

                              I'm not here to claim or to pretend to be able to declare any one of those systems superior or inferior to each other or to anything else.

                               

                              What I am stressing here is the futility of attempting to give cross-platform advice.  Once again: it just doesn't work, period.

                               

                              Sorry, but this discussion is adding nothing to the original topic.  I'm stepping aside for the nonce.

                               

                              Thank you for your contributions.

                              • 52. Re: picture package
                                Community Member

                                ADDENDUM:  We're in exactly the same age bracket too.  My first involvement with computers during the course of my work took place in the early 1960s, in the era of IBM and Siemens behemoths, FORTRAN, COBOL and perforated cards.  Mankind is still in diapers as far as computer development is concerned, and and I feel that diversity and fierce competition are essential to progress.

                                • 53. Re: picture package
                                  Community Member

                                  Noel Carboni wrote:

                                   

                                  Not that this has direct bearing on the subject material, but I need to vent…

                                   

                                  …Someone, somewhere in management (okay, a number of someones) think that systems have to be dumbed-down because users are stupid

                                   

                                  Agree with your sentiments 100%.  In this regard, the current situation at Apple—exemplified to the point of absurdity by their Lion and Mountain Lion operating systems—leaves me with serious doubts as to their long-range commitment to the desktop Mac as a serious computing platform. 

                                  • 54. Re: picture package
                                    Community Member

                                    JJMack wrote:

                                     

                                    To install scripts, plug-ins etc they need to address Photoshops Folders like the screen shows the cs5 Picture Package working in CS6 they would need to address CS6 Plug-ins folder and presest folder and also address CS5 Layouts folder

                                     

                                    As illustrated by my screenshots as well as conroy2009's, those folders are freely accessible outside of the application package.  Look again, closely.

                                    • 55. Re: picture package
                                      JJMack MVP

                                      station_two wrote:

                                       

                                      What I am stressing here is the futility of attempting to give cross-platform advice.  Once again: it just doesn't work, period.

                                       

                                      Sorry, but this discussion is adding nothing to the original topic.  I'm stepping aside for the nonce.

                                       

                                      Thank you for your contributions.

                                      You have not step-aside and made more appends.  Yes there are differences between the systems and as you have shown there are thing that are very much alike.  I'm not trying to put one system over the other.  For a windows system Adobe packages the optional Plug-ins is a zip file. A user can download the package and extract the files and install some of them manually into the wrong version of Photoshop.  Adobe packages the optional plug-ins for a mac in some install package file format for the you should be able to either extract the files in that package and try to install some into the wrong version of Photoshop or install the package into the correct version of Photoshop and then copy some of the files installed into CS5 into CS6.  Both the Mac and Windows versions of Photoshop have Plug-ins and Presets.  I showed that the CS5 plug-in ContactSheetII contains two automate items Contact Sheet II and Picture Package, and the Picture Package requires a Presets folder Layouts the was created in my CS5 install but not in my CS6 install/ Copying the preset Folder Layouts from my CS5 install into my CS6 fixed the problem I was having with Picture Package in CS6. I also show the both the CS5 and CS6 ContactSheetII plug-ins can co exist in CS6 when installed the cs5 version is installed in the user plug-in folder and the CS6 on in Adobe Required folder.  I noted I did not see a required folder in you Mac Photoshop Tree.  If the Mac Photoshop version does not support more then one Plug-ins folder you could try replacing the CS6 plug-in with the CS5 plug-in. Adobe does not want this done but you seem to want Picture Package in Photoshop.  If you can not tell I been trying to help I feel your missing something. I admitted do not use a mac and have not even used the Unix version of the mac. If you do not want my help don't read my appends and don't shout at me I do not understand your agenda.

                                      • 56. Re: picture package
                                        R_Kelly Community Member

                                        If i may, most of the cs5 optional plugins for mac including the picture package/contact sheet II and web photo gallery plugins won't work in photoshop cs6 on a mac.

                                        The reason is those plugins require cs5 to be run in the 32 bit mode and photoshop cs6 cannot be run in the 32 bit mode on a mac.

                                        Those plugins were never compiled for 64 bits on the mac side as they were on the windows side.

                                         

                                         

                                        http://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/plug-ins-photoshop-cs5.html

                                        • 57. Re: picture package
                                          JJMack MVP

                                          Then there is a big difference between the Mac an the PC Version of Photoshop on the PC there are both 32Bit and 64bit versions of the ContactSheetII and the CS5 versions of ContactSheetII with its Picture Package work in both the 32bit and 64bit versions of PC CS6.  I was told the there was a 64bit version of CS5 on the Mac I did not know Adobe supported ContactSheetII in Mac CS5 32bit and not in Mac CS5 64 bit but I have no problem accepting that is the case. Adobe doesn't care about their users just release dates

                                           

                                          As you can see two differeft size plugins for PC CS5.

                                          CSII.jpg

                                          • 58. Re: picture package
                                            Community Member

                                            JJMack wrote:

                                             

                                            Then there is a big difference between the Mac an the PC Version of Photoshop…

                                             

                                            That's what I keep trying to tell you.

                                             

                                            I have no "agenda", whatever that may mean to you.

                                            • 59. Re: picture package
                                              Community Member

                                              JJMack wrote:

                                               

                                              You have not step-aside and made more appends…

                                               

                                               

                                              So?

                                              • 60. Re: picture package
                                                Community Member

                                                JJMack wrote:

                                                 

                                                …but you seem to want Picture Package in Photoshop…

                                                 

                                                No, you have me confused with the Original Poster there.

                                                 

                                                I stepped in only to clear up the non-applicable information you were giving the original poster.

                                                 

                                                I do realize that you are trying to help and so am I, definitely.

                                                • 61. Re: picture package
                                                  JJMack MVP

                                                  I do not know what you want from me I showed how it does work on a PC and I thought might work on a Mac and wrote Script the shoude work on both PC and Mac for they are in Javascript and should be cross platform.  The Plug-in would be best for is is compiled so it is faster and shows a populated preview.  My Script was just hacked from my Batch Collage Script which was designed to use more then one image and be tweakable by the end user so it places in the image document overe ane over again.  I was also learning Photoshop scripting at the time so I was playing with scripting so I did things like un-populate the poptlated template just to see if I could insteat of not closing the templat after I duped it snd just duped the template till all Picture Packager or Collages were created. So the script is slower then it could be,  But it does work. And the PasteImageRoll should be able to create ann the singel image sized Picture package in a single documentmade for printing on roll paped. Tht scrip just paste in resized image not place in smart objects.

                                                  • 62. Re: picture package
                                                    Community Member

                                                    JJMack wrote:

                                                     

                                                    I do not know what you want from me…

                                                     

                                                    Nothing, Mr. Mack. I assure you that I don't want anything from you personally. 

                                                     

                                                    The culprits in this confusion are the nincompoops who decided to merge the thriving Photoshop Macintosh forum with the Windows one.

                                                    • 63. Re: picture package
                                                      JJMack MVP

                                                      That culprit is of course Adobe....

                                                      • 64. Re: picture package
                                                        kw2013 Community Member

                                                        Hello I would just like to install the plug in for contacts sheets into CS5 at 32 bit but the download file for this plugin only gives me errors and quits right away when trying to install it.  I have tired numerous times.  Any idea for help with this on the CS5?? I downloaded it direcetly from adobe. There is no more chat or phone support for CS5! Help please. So annoyed that they removed it in the first place.

                                                        • 65. Re: picture package
                                                          JJMack MVP

                                                          For Mac CS5 use there links for optional Plugins note contact sheet II is for MAC CS5 32 bit only.   CS6 for Mac is 64bit only....

                                                          http://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/plug-ins-photoshop-cs5.html#main_Plug_ins_supported_in _32__and_64_bit_Windows__and_only_32_bit_Mac_OS

                                                          Download For Mac OS:

                                                          http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=4965

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