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    CMS for CS.5

    Renskins

      Hi,

       

      I am using DW CS.5 to create a website for a client and they want a CMS package that is computer illiterate user friendly to update the weekly events of their business (restaurant/bar).

       

      I  am very new to the game and feel in over my head.

       

      It looks like there are two options:

       

      1. Using an online CMS like Drupl, Joomla or WP
      2. Using an DW extension such as contribute or TDE Website editior.

       

      I am looking for the cheapest and easist alternative.  Any advice.  and please use normal every day human language as I can write Html code from memory but I don't actually understand fully what I am doing.

       

      Cheers!

        • 1. Re: CMS for CS.5
          martcol Community Member

          Take a look at this

           

          http://grabaperch.com/

           

          They have a clear introductory video.

           

          It costs £35 per site

           

          I've never used it but feel sure i will. I tend to use Wordpress but that has a pretty big learning curve for developer and user especially if you want it to fit what you're dining rather than the other way around.

           

          Martin

          • 2. Re: CMS for CS.5
            Renskins Community Member

            Thanks! That looks good.

             

            my clients gave me this website as an example of what they want http://www.sappho102.biz/component/option,com_gigcal/task,details/day,3/Itemid,27/

             

            they want a gigcalendar that they can update themselves and a gallery they can update themselves

             

            The website designer for the one above used this: http://gigcalendar.net/index.php

             

            but I can't for the life of me work out how it works or how the client logs in and manages the content.  any thoughts?

            • 3. Re: CMS for CS.5
              John Waller MVP

              Renskins wrote:

               

              The website designer for the one above used this: http://gigcalendar.net/index.php

              but I can't for the life of me work out how it works or how the client logs in and manages the content.  any thoughts?

               

              That gigcalendar is a module for either Joomla! or Mambo CMS systems.

               

              You'd have to be running either of those CMSes in order to use it.

               

              Wordpress offers similar solutions: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/gigs-calendar/

               

              Seems to me they definitely want a Content Management solution.

              • 4. Re: CMS for CS.5
                martcol Community Member

                I'm not trying to sell this Perch thing or anything, but they have a callendar App:

                 

                http://grabaperch.com/solutions/all/using-the-perch-events-app-to-display-a-calendar

                 

                You can be sure that Drupal, Wordpress and Joomla will be able to help you achieve what you want and then some.  But your comment in the original post about feeling that you are in over your head, makes me think that it is a lot to take on.  Yes, they're free and open source and they are great fun to learn but it is a lot of learning despite their huge following and established communities.  If you are good at learning and have a reasonable grasp of PHP, HTML and CSS then it would be much easier.

                 

                Martin

                • 5. Re: CMS for CS.5
                  Renskins Community Member

                  It looks like they all have apps for event pages, gig calenders and gallerys. which is what i need.

                   

                  It's just that i already created most of the website in DW already and now they have told me they want this, and I'm not getting paid much, unfortunately it's one of those situation I can't get out of so I want to find the easiest  and most time effective way to use what I've got and provide what the client needs.  i just need to decide which one is best to use.  Joomla, drupl and wordpress are free but you have to pay for add ons  and I'm wondering if by the time I add a gig calender etc it will be cheaper to go with perch.

                   

                  Perch looks good but if I can find the equal for free that is better.

                  • 6. Re: CMS for CS.5
                    Renskins Community Member

                    Basically I just want to incorporate a CMS into my current DW stylesheet so I don't have to remake the website or learn a new progam. The CMS needs to allow for online login, and editing an events page, gigcalendar and photo gallery.

                     

                    What do you suggest would be best?

                    • 7. Re: CMS for CS.5
                      Renskins Community Member

                      Ok, so I have narrowed it down to two options but I still have questions.

                       

                      If I use joomla the I can create a gigcalendar exactly like the one in the example website, which is what the client wants.  But can I use the template I have already created in dreamweaver instead of the joomla templates and just use joomla for the sections that i want to be editable to the client?

                       

                      Or I can use perch, which looks reallt easy to use and seems like I don't need to remake my site but use what i have already created in DW. However I can't see any visual examples of the galleries or calendars and I'm worried they will be ugly and not what the client wants.

                       

                      What do you reccommend?

                      • 8. Re: CMS for CS.5
                        MurraySummers ACP/MVPs

                        I would definitely NOT call Drupal or Joomla "computer illiterate user friendly".  For simple sites, and simple editing tasks, I think Perch is a much better way to go.

                        • 9. Re: CMS for CS.5
                          Renskins Community Member

                          I'm not computer illiterate, but my clients, are slightly.  I just need the online editing part to be easy.

                          • 10. Re: CMS for CS.5
                            MurraySummers ACP/MVPs

                            That's what I'm talking about.  Your client will have to study hard to become proficient in either of these two (Drupal, Joomla).

                            • 11. Re: CMS for CS.5
                              martcol Community Member

                              Having declared already that I've never used Perch it's difficult to comment although, it won't stop me now!  You might do well to ask some questions on their forum.   If I had to add CMS to a static site I would definitely go with Perch.

                               

                              If you're worried about it not looking good then I imagine that will be down to your ability with HTML/CSS. I would expect Perch to be customisable based on the fact that you can plug it in to an existing site. Again, it might be best to have a look at their setup port stuff.

                               

                              Why don't you also think about showing your client what Perch can bring to the party and see if they will stump up a bit more for the work?  Their introductory video was quite good and it might help you with the decision.

                               

                              I can tell you this, I'm currently teaching a customer how to work with Wordpress and it is a) agony and b) time consuming!

                               

                              Martin

                              • 12. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                Renskins Community Member

                                thanks!  It's a bit of a weird situation.  I was going to send them the link but their ESL (english as a second language) so not sure they will get it.

                                 

                                But I think it's worth checking out.

                                 

                                tah

                                • 13. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                  osgood_ MVP

                                  Perch is a great little cms. I don't know much about the events application add-on but if you ask around in the forum youre sure to get a response.

                                   

                                  I hate to say this BUT if the client isn't paying you much to do this then they can only expect what you can provide them with. If it isnt exactly the same as the example then tough.

                                   

                                  Myself I would probably just do away with the fancy calander and just have links to the months, then list the events in that month. Might not look as pretty but on a budget it does a more than adequate job.

                                  • 14. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                    Renskins Community Member

                                    I hear you but some business agreements go beyond just business, they are friends and some cultural/language confusion has caused the problem.  which are my fault so I must make it the best i can.

                                    • 15. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                      Ben Pleysier MVP

                                      If it is only one or two pages that you want your client to be able to change, you might like to try what I used to do many moons ago.

                                       

                                      The idea is to create a text file (I call it a text file because it does not contain the normal document structure) to be included into your document. In a secured backend, the text file  is loaded into an HTML editor, http://ckeditor.com/. Within the editor the client can change the contents and save it. Very much like using word.

                                       

                                      Gramps

                                      • 16. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                        cmspro

                                        I am surprised I have not seen Konductor on this list. Definately the easiest alternative (by far) that I have used.

                                        • 17. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                          Nancy O. MVP

                                          @cmspro,

                                          Konductor = hosting & CMS, right?

                                          I don't think you can use it with any other servers, or can you?

                                           

                                           

                                          Nancy O.

                                          • 18. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                            cmspro

                                            I think they have an externally hosted version - but they have not annouced it publicly. Maybe contact them.

                                            • 19. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                              Renskins Community Member

                                              Am I right in thinking that in order to edit the page my client will also need DW and Konductor on their system?

                                               

                                              This seems like a more expensive alternative if this is the case.  I am after something that my client can edit online so they can access it from work or home or whereever they are without having to purchase softoware they don't understand.

                                              • 20. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                                cmspro

                                                No. Konductor is 2 things, 1) a free Dreamweaver extension for Designers and 2) an Application that allows Clients to edit content defined by the designer. Similar to Contribute but 100 times better for Designers and 10000 times easier for clients.

                                                 

                                                The clients only pays something if you host with them.

                                                • 21. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                                  Renskins Community Member

                                                  but can they edit online?

                                                  • 22. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                                    cmspro

                                                    They can do a lot more than that. I am pretty sure it is a VERY popular solution for requests like this.

                                                    • 23. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                                      Zabeth69 Community Member

                                                      Don't know if anyone has suggested this, but someone here suggested to me that I use CushyCMS, which I have used very successfully with several clients. It is easy and free to set up. You can find them at cushycms.com: http://www.cushycms.com/en

                                                       

                                                      Editing happens in client's browser through their link to their cushycms admin page. Each editable element or area is defined as an edit field with edit tools like those at the top of the forum edit panels.

                                                       

                                                      If the changes that they are trying to make involves ONLY a calendar, I have also successfully embedded a Google calendar, which requires no messing with the website at all, as the calendar owner edits totally off the site.

                                                       

                                                      Beth

                                                      • 24. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                                        Renskins Community Member

                                                        well you had me sold on the perch thing but it turns out my system is not compatible as I don't have PHP.  I have been looking at all the numerous possibilities everyone has suggested and they all seem like they might be hard to sell to the client due to the cost.  Another option that was suggested by a friend was to skin WP, but I haven't got a clue how to do that.  Do you have any other thoughts on how I can keep all the design work I have done in DW but integrate a cheap CMS package that offers gallery and gigcalendar options?

                                                        • 25. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                                          Renskins Community Member

                                                          I have been looking into Konductor and you don't edit online.  You edit through the Konductor editing application which you upload.  I feel that this process is going to be difficult to explain to my clients.  They would also have to download the application to all of the computers they use, where as they want to be able to access and edit their site no matter where they are.  It seems like it is not the easiest approach for a client.

                                                           

                                                          Do you know anything about skinning WP and using it as a CMS within DW?

                                                          • 26. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                                            Renskins Community Member

                                                            Hey Martin,

                                                             

                                                            Why is WP so hard to teach?  If I can work out how to skin a wp site it seems like it will be the cheapest option.  Perch obviously would be better but my system is just not compatible.

                                                             

                                                            Ren

                                                            • 27. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                                              mytaxsite.co.uk MVP

                                                              Renskins wrote:

                                                               

                                                              Hey Martin,

                                                               

                                                              Why is WP so hard to teach?  If I can work out how to skin a wp site it seems like it will be the cheapest option.  Perch obviously would be better but my system is just not compatible.

                                                               

                                                              Ren

                                                               

                                                              If you can run WP then you can run Perch.  Why do you say it is not compatible?  All CMS packages use: MySQL, PHP, and Apache server.  All three are free to download and configure on any Windows, Mac, OS X and Linux systems.

                                                               

                                                              Am I missing something here?  Please explain.

                                                              • 28. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                                                Renskins Community Member

                                                                when i ran the perch compatibility test it said my system was not compatible.

                                                                 

                                                                I am just learning so I only know what I know and that is what the compatibility test said.

                                                                • 29. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                                                  John Waller MVP

                                                                  Renskins wrote:

                                                                   

                                                                  Why is WP so hard to teach?

                                                                  It's not. Quite straightforward and good for novices. Some seem to think it's hard but that's never been my experience.

                                                                   

                                                                   

                                                                  Renskins wrote:
                                                                  Perch obviously would be better but my system is just not compatible.

                                                                   

                                                                  Your system is definitely compatible.

                                                                   

                                                                  All operating systems can run PHP (required for Perch and WP). Try WAMP or MAMP and you'll be up and running in minutes.

                                                                  • 30. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                                                    John Waller MVP

                                                                    Renskins wrote:

                                                                     

                                                                    when i ran the perch compatibility test it said my system was not compatible.

                                                                     

                                                                    I am just learning so I only know what I know and that is what the compatibility test said.

                                                                    Did it say why? Doesn't take much to run Perch. It's quite a lightweight CMS.

                                                                     

                                                                    Was it simply that PHP 5.2+ is not yet installed? That's easily fixed.

                                                                    • 31. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                                                      Renskins Community Member

                                                                      yes, I'm downloading now.  Hopefully that is all it was.  It seemed like this was the only error, however it was not so clear.  I will run a test after i have downloaded MAMP.

                                                                      • 32. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                                                        martcol Community Member

                                                                        I found Wordpress really challenging but when I started out  I was still only just learning. Since then Wordpress has got better but if anything, it is more complex. If you want to get a site going quickly and are content to use someone else's theme you can get publishing content within a half hour. For that matter, so could your client.

                                                                         

                                                                        I have just finished a Wordpress site. It was me that talked the client in to having it over a static site. I'm now on about day 5 of showing this person how to use it.  Yes, with a combination of evenings, weekends, txt & email, 5 full days!

                                                                         

                                                                        If you want to run Wordpress you need to firstly, understand the template hierarchy, work out how to make different content pages say, by using categories and learn about how to make it as secure as you can. You might be well advised to have a look at child themes too.

                                                                         

                                                                        I reckon all of that is about as much as I've worked out for myself. The amount of online support available is astonishing.  However, depending on what you want to do and your level of knowledge it still isn't all easy to grasp.

                                                                         

                                                                        For my next project, my client wants the ability to edit now and again.  I'm going to go with Concrete5 I think.

                                                                         

                                                                        Martin

                                                                         

                                                                        PS all of the CMSs I've looked at run on PHP.  There are other options but I thought PHP was everywhere? It might not be on your own system but as someone has already indicated, you can install it easy enough. Your client should not need to install anything.

                                                                        • 33. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                                                          Renskins Community Member

                                                                          thanks I fixed it.  I downloaded PHP, created a new database on my server and the test came back positive this time.  I like perch because the video tutorials have made so much more sense than any of the other CMS packages I have looked at and it seems so much cheaper as well.

                                                                           

                                                                          I will give it go and see how it works out.  thanks for your feedback

                                                                          • 34. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                                                            osgood_ MVP

                                                                            Perch 2 has just been released and the pages UI is a massive step forward from v1. For ease of use and pricing it's the best in its category on the market. You can be editing pages in a matter of minutes using the friendly <perch tags> which you just replace your content with. You can build 'custom' templates if you require to do so which automates the process a bit more. Adding/Deleting pages is a breeze. If the client can't use Perch then they won't be able to use any CMS.

                                                                            • 35. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                                                              MurraySummers ACP/MVPs

                                                                              My prediction:

                                                                               

                                                                              1.  You will labor intensively to implement the CMS and train the client how to use it (this regardless of which CMS you choose)

                                                                              2.  Your client will return to you to make each change to the site

                                                                               

                                                                              Jus' sayin'....

                                                                              • 36. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                                                                osgood_ MVP

                                                                                Murray *ACP* wrote:

                                                                                 

                                                                                My prediction:

                                                                                 

                                                                                1.  You will labor intensively to implement the CMS and train the client how to use it (this regardless of which CMS you choose)

                                                                                 

                                                                                I agree. It's a question of better the devil you know when it comes to CMS's. I'd rather not integrate any CMS into a website if I'm honest. Depending on the degree to which the client wants to update the site depends on its success or failure. What bugs me is in my time as a DTP operator no client ever said 'hey I have a fresh copy of Quark Express, toss over your well planned and finished design and let me make the final edits'......... can you imagine the mess they would likely make. Websites are no different.....why let an untrained monkey loose with something which 1) They don't know how to use and 2) can't be bothered to spend time learning how to use it.

                                                                                 

                                                                                I guess the way to go would be to give the client something, restricted access to limited sections of the site like 'news updates' etc. Once they want full access to every page, image uploads, etc etc its likey to be more trouble than its worth.

                                                                                 

                                                                                I built a search/image library for a client at the begining of the year where they could upload the images and input the details about the image for their clients to search for and download in hi-res. I jumped through hoops getting this thing working and they haven't used it because they claim uploading a few images were too time consuming and difficult.

                                                                                • 37. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                                                                  martcol Community Member

                                                                                  Murray,

                                                                                   

                                                                                  You're a prophet as well!

                                                                                   

                                                                                  That's exactly where I'm at.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Martin

                                                                                  • 38. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                                                                    MurraySummers ACP/MVPs

                                                                                    The upside is that it's incrementally easier to make most changes using the CMS (and you *can* do this in an internet cafe, for example), than it is to find the page, open it, make the change, save it and upload the changes.  Note that I said "incrementally" easier.  In other words, I wouldn't do this for that reason alone.

                                                                                    • 39. Re: CMS for CS.5
                                                                                      osgood_ MVP

                                                                                      martcol wrote:

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Murray,

                                                                                       

                                                                                      You're a prophet as well!

                                                                                       

                                                                                      That's exactly where I'm at.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Martin

                                                                                       

                                                                                      In the case of WP it's a no-brainer....no client is going to take to that like a duck to water.

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