14 Replies Latest reply: Oct 3, 2012 7:56 PM by Peddle4ever RSS

    Lightroom 4.1 crashes, module CameraRaw.dll

    Peddle4ever

      I just installed LR 4 after having used LR 3.5 for quite awhile.  It was a big letdown when I immediately discovered this instability.  It crashes every few minutes while making adjustments in Develop.  For example, Sharpen Detail.

       

      Problem signature:

        Problem Event Name:    APPCRASH

        Application Name:    lightroom.exe

        Application Version:    4.1.0.11

        Application Timestamp:    4fb2266f

        Fault Module Name:    CameraRaw.dll

        Fault Module Version:    4.1.0.10

        Fault Module Timestamp:    4fb22636

        Exception Code:    c0000005

        Exception Offset:    000000000005c8f3

        OS Version:    6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48

        Locale ID:    1033

        Additional Information 1:    5231

        Additional Information 2:    52314b86dd492d0e1c8967d621f7fea6

        Additional Information 3:    eb65

        Additional Information 4:    eb65633c49ac65ec1f6544dba65ffa71

       

      Upgrading to 4.1 didn't help.  I actually haven't yet processed any RAW images in LR4 so I'm not sure why CameraRaw is involved.  I hesitate to uninstall LR3.5 since LR4 is proving useless and a waste of my money.  I'm looking for a quick solution as I'm trying to complete an important project.  Thanks.

       

      System: Gigabyte Z68X-UD3H-B3, i7-2600K, 12GB, latest Win7 64-bit SP1, CS5 Design Premium

        • 1. Re: Lightroom 4.1 crashes, module CameraRaw.dll
          Peddle4ever Community Member

          Update:

          I'm also experiencing a different type of crash at random.  Not sure if it's related.  These occur around every 15 minutes, typically when I'm browsing photos in Developer.  The symptom is that the app hangs and the top 25% of the screen goes white like it's failing to redraw or refresh the image.  I've processed >1000 images in LR3.x on this machine and I don't recall it ever crashing.

           

          Description:

            A problem caused this program to stop interacting with Windows.

           

          Problem signature:

            Problem Event Name:    AppHangB1

            Application Name:    lightroom.exe

            Application Version:    4.1.0.11

            Application Timestamp:    4fb2266f

            Hang Signature:    26bd

            Hang Type:    513

            OS Version:    6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48

            Locale ID:    1033

            Additional Hang Signature 1:    26bdb3bd37bc3e431e6a259f35ab2e34

            Additional Hang Signature 2:    80ac

            Additional Hang Signature 3:    80ac6ccbc45a11c129a39706db1b354f

            Additional Hang Signature 4:    26bd

            Additional Hang Signature 5:    26bdb3bd37bc3e431e6a259f35ab2e34

            Additional Hang Signature 6:    80ac

            Additional Hang Signature 7:    80ac6ccbc45a11c129a39706db1b354f

          • 2. Re: Lightroom 4.1 crashes, module CameraRaw.dll
            F. McLion Community Member

            I'd try to remove LR 4.1, reboot,  delete the file Lightroom 4 Preferences.agprefs, and reinstall 4.1 directly. There's no need to install 4.0 first. Make sure to run it with administrative credentials (right-click: run as administrator).

            You can also try to only delete the agprefs. It will create a new one. Experience from many forum users show that this helps with various kind of issues.

            • 3. Re: Lightroom 4.1 crashes, module CameraRaw.dll
              Peddle4ever Community Member

              I uninstalled LR4.1, rebooted, deleted the .agprefs file and reinstalled.  I've tried running it as admin and normally.  Every time I pull up an image in Developer and slide the Sharpening Detail slider, it crashes.  The first symptom is that the slider freezes.  Then when I click anywhere on the screen the top 25% of the screen becomes a large white block.  Then I get the usual Win7 error dialog.  When I re-run it, the prefs seem to have been erased.  For example, whereas I normally configure View as full screen, it comes up with menus.  And it forgets which image I had been working on, etc.  That might be a clue that there's a problem with a prefs file or the registry.

               

              I had similar issues and symptoms with Luminance NR several years with LR3 on a different machine (ie, different motherboard, running XP, different graphics card, etc).  Painful.  Those problems got fixed in LR3.5, fortunately but it was a long wait.  Now with LR4 I feel I'm reliving that aweful experience.  I can't believe Adobe charged money for this upgrade.  And I doubt they'd give me my money back - what a waste.  I've been a software developer in Silicon Valley for 20+ years and I'm not impressed with the LR QA team.  I think somebody needs to spend a little more time scrubbing JIRA bugs and less time tooting their horns.  It wasn't ready guys...

              • 4. Re: Lightroom 4.1 crashes, module CameraRaw.dll
                F. McLion Community Member

                Just to make sure: You did run the installer as admin, did ya', not LR?

                Since you are are a SW developer you surly have checked all the obvious. I personally never had any issues alike. From other posts its seems that issues like this usually have something to do with access privileges to folders/files where LR, its preference and other files and the db is located. Also check and/or make yourself the owner if it's not already set that way.

                • 5. Re: Lightroom 4.1 crashes, module CameraRaw.dll
                  Peddle4ever Community Member

                  Thanks.  Yes, I tried running the installer as admin.  It looks like a pretty low-level issue to me involving screen redraws at the graphics driver level.  It's quite repeatable as described above.  Once again, I have no issues with other apps including LR3.5.  Here's a typical screen after it hangs.  The white areas are always in the same locations.  When I move another app to the same area of the screen, the white areas remain superimposed on the screen as if the bitmap has been corrupted.

                  LR Crash screen2.jpg

                   

                  My graphics adapter:

                  Intel HD Graphics 3000 (built into the Z68/Sandy Bridge using system RAM)

                  OpenGL:

                    Version    3.1.0 - Build 8.15.10.2696

                    Vendor    Intel

                    Renderer    Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000

                    GLU Version    1.2.2.0 Microsoft Corporation

                  • 6. Re: Lightroom 4.1 crashes, module CameraRaw.dll
                    F. McLion Community Member

                    First, update the graphic driver to the latest version and see if that helps:

                    http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=21431&ProdId=3319&lang=eng

                    • 7. Re: Lightroom 4.1 crashes, module CameraRaw.dll
                      Peddle4ever Community Member

                      Hmm, I thought I had upgraded to the latest last week via an "optional" update from Microsoft.  Thanks for pointing it out.  Anyway, I went ahead and upgraded the driver as you suggested.  Same results.  It crashes the second I adjust the Sharpening Detail slider.

                       

                      Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000

                          Driver version    8.15.10.2761

                       

                      OpenGL

                          Version    3.1.0 - Build 8.15.10.2761

                          Vendor    Intel

                          Renderer    Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000

                          GLU Version    1.2.2.0 Microsoft Corporation

                      • 8. Re: Lightroom 4.1 crashes, module CameraRaw.dll
                        Peddle4ever Community Member

                        Update:

                        I installed an ancient graphics card and got some interesting results.  The card uses the Nvidia GForce 6600 device.  I'm using two monitors.  The primary uses the on-board Intel HD 3000 adapter.  It's supposed to run Direct X 10 or 11.  The secondary uses the 6600.  It's supposed to run Direct X 9.0C.  In this setup, it still crashes as soon as I slide the Sharpening Detail slider. 

                         

                        However, if I set the 6600 as primary and reboot, it's stable - no crashes yet.  I rebooted a few times to test the repeatability and it seems solid - so far.  Of course I get no problems with LR 3.5.  So it appears LR4 doesn't like the HD 3000 graphics adapter and/or driver, Direct X version, GPU algo code, etc. 

                         

                        Anyone out there using the Intel HD 3000 with LR4.x?

                         

                        Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 6600 (Microsoft Corporation - WDDM)

                               Manufacturer: NVIDIA

                                  Chip type: GeForce 6600

                                   DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC

                                 Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0141&SUBSYS_81B01043&REV_A2

                             Display Memory: 2280 MB

                           Dedicated Memory: 248 MB

                              Shared Memory: 2031 MB

                               Current Mode: 1920 x 1200 (32 bit) (59Hz)

                               Monitor Name: Dell E248WFP(Digital)

                              Monitor Model: DELL E248WFP

                                 Monitor Id: DELA02E

                                Native Mode: 1920 x 1200(p) (59.950Hz)

                                Output Type: DVI

                                Driver Name: nvd3dumx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2umx.dll, nvwgf2um

                        Driver File Version: 8.15.0011.8593 (English)

                             Driver Version: 8.15.11.8593

                                DDI Version: 9Ex

                               Driver Model: WDDM 1.0

                          Driver Attributes: Final Retail

                           Driver Date/Size: 7/13/2009 18:41:53, 9443840 bytes

                                WHQL Logo'd: n/a

                            WHQL Date Stamp: n/a

                          Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-4201-11CF-6252-BBA102C2C535}

                                  Vendor ID: 0x10DE

                                  Device ID: 0x0141

                                  SubSys ID: 0x81B01043

                                Revision ID: 0x00A2

                        Driver Strong Name: nv_lh.inf:NVIDIA.Mfg.NTamd64...1:nv_NV3x:8.15.11.8593:pci\ven_10de&dev_0141

                             Rank Of Driver: 00F42001

                                Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_C ModeVC1_B ModeWMV9_B ModeVC1_A ModeWMV9_A

                         

                         

                        Card name: Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000

                               Manufacturer: Intel Corporation

                                  Chip type: Intel(R) HD Graphics Family

                                   DAC type: Internal

                                 Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0122&SUBSYS_D0001458&REV_09

                             Display Memory: 1696 MB

                           Dedicated Memory: 64 MB

                              Shared Memory: 1632 MB

                               Current Mode: 2048 x 1536 (32 bit) (75Hz)

                               Monitor Name: Generic Non-PnP Monitor

                              Monitor Model: unknown

                                 Monitor Id:

                                Native Mode: unknown

                                Output Type: HD15

                                Driver Name: igdumd64.dll,igd10umd64.dll,igd10umd64.dll,igdumd32,igd10umd32,igd10umd32

                        Driver File Version: 8.15.0010.2761 (English)

                             Driver Version: 8.15.10.2761

                                DDI Version: 10.1

                               Driver Model: WDDM 1.1

                          Driver Attributes: Final Retail

                           Driver Date/Size: 5/21/2012 12:04:28, 8089088 bytes

                                WHQL Logo'd: n/a

                            WHQL Date Stamp: n/a

                          Device Identifier: {D7B78E66-4262-11CF-217D-0AF0A9C2C535}

                                  Vendor ID: 0x8086

                                  Device ID: 0x0122

                                  SubSys ID: 0xD0001458

                                Revision ID: 0x0009

                        Driver Strong Name: oem28.inf:IntelGfx.NTamd64.6.0:iSNBD0:8.15.10.2761:pci\ven_8086&dev_0122


                        • 9. Re: Lightroom 4.1 crashes, module CameraRaw.dll
                          F. McLion Community Member

                          I don't use the Intel HD3000. One thought tough: Can you change the memory settings for the HD3000? Must  be in the BIOS or maybe in the driver, and raise it to 256 MB. Just a thought, because dedicated memory of 64MB is very low for your resolution and I don't know how the Intel driver use use the shared pool.

                          • 10. Re: Lightroom 4.1 crashes, module CameraRaw.dll
                            Peddle4ever Community Member

                            Interesting suggestion, thank you.  I believe the Dedicated Memory should normally be dynamically allocated to each app as required.  So a 64MB default setting should suffice, in theory.   But I've read that some apps don't properly request this.  So per your suggestion I tried manually increasing it in the BIOS from 64MB to 256MB.  Unfortunately, it still crashes the moment I move the Luminance slider. 

                             

                            I did notice one thing, if I increase the resolution of the primary monitor to 2560x1600 or decrease to random resolutions like 1920x1440 the Luminance slider doesn't seem to crash LR.  Unfortunately this isn't a practical work-around but it's interesting that there's a correlation. 

                             

                            Does anybody know if Adobe's LR team reads these posts?  Do they have a hardware compatibility lab?  Is it possible to get a JIRA account to log bugs?

                            • 11. Re: Lightroom 4.1 crashes, module CameraRaw.dll
                              F. McLion Community Member

                              Adobe staff is lurking around. There is a chance that somebody is responding to this thread.

                              However, this would be the correct address to report it: http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family

                              • 12. Re: Lightroom 4.1 crashes, module CameraRaw.dll
                                Peddle4ever Community Member

                                I got to thinking these particular appcrashes I've been focusing on may be unrelated to the original CameraRaw.dll problem.  I wonder if it's possible to change the title of this thread or fork off a separate one..?

                                • 13. Re: Lightroom 4.1 crashes, module CameraRaw.dll
                                  nicolas_tbone

                                  I have been seeing this a lot lately. I run a ATI 6900 series on a Core I7.  I have tried all sorts of things to help reduce the issue but nothing has worked.  It still hangs in the develop module frustratingly often.

                                   

                                  I am using the latest video drivers running an Radeon 6900 series. 

                                  My PC is a Core I7 with 12 gigs of ram.

                                  Hyper-threading is turned on. 

                                  I am running the RC now, which appears to be worse, then Lightroom 4.1

                                   

                                  I have tried running Lightroom with a single display.

                                  I have checked the catalog to make sure its intact (using whatever I could find in the software to do so).

                                  I have wiped the raw cache, the catalog cache.

                                   

                                  http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/cross_thread_deadlock_lr_4_1_win_7_x 64

                                   

                                  • 14. Re: Lightroom 4.1 crashes, module CameraRaw.dll
                                    Peddle4ever Community Member

                                    Has anyone with this problem tested Lightroom 4.2?