15 Replies Latest reply: Aug 9, 2012 4:07 AM by nealeh RSS

    Quality of still images in PE9

    Gazmum81

      Sorry, I know this has been discussed before, but I'm only an occasional amateur videographer, and the terminology in other forum posts is going right over my head.  I've tried, honestly I have!  But it's all too technical.

       

      I have PE9.

      Need to use still images in parts of my video project.

      After importing and rendering they look fine until I actually play the video - then they go out of focus.

      I understand this is something to do with the ?resolution? ?pixels?

      I am in New Zealand therefore use the PAL format.

      Can someone give me some very simple step by step instructions on what to do to prepare the photos for inclusion in the video? 

      I do have Photoshop Elements but have never used it.

        • 1. Re: Quality of still images in PE9
          the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

          OK, is this an SD (Standard Definition 720 x 576), or HD (could be 1920 x 1080, 1440 x 1080, or similar) Project?

           

          When you Open the Still Images in Photoshop, or Photoshop Elements, at Image Size, what are the vertical and horizontal pixels?

           

          After you insert the Still Images onto the Timeline, there will be a red line above them. If you hit the Enter/Return key, to Render the Timeline, that line will turn green - do the Still Images look better now?

           

          Good luck,

           

          Hunt

          • 2. Re: Quality of still images in PE9
            John T Smith CommunityMVP

            >until I actually play the video

             

            Is that on your computer, or on a DVD you create?

             

            Read Photo Scaling for Video http://forums.adobe.com/thread/450798

            • 3. Re: Quality of still images in PE9
              Gazmum81 Community Member

              Hi Bill.  Thanks for responding. 

              I'm not sure on the definition of the project - it came from DV so does that make it standard definition?  I can't find anywhere on PE9 to show me this information.  When I imported the footage I did get a message that mentioned (I think) high definition and did I want to convert it.  I said Yes but the process hung up and got stuck.  So next time I said no.  The footage looks a bit pixelated in parts, especially when the camera was panning, but I presumed this would correct when exported to DVD ?????

              Photoshop Elements indicates the pixel measurements are:  Width 1944 - Height 2592.

              I have rendered the whole timeline, including still images.

              • 4. Re: Quality of still images in PE9
                Gazmum81 Community Member

                It's on the computer.  Thanks for the link but that's one of the bits of info I already looked at and ended up more confused than ever.  Appreciate your reply.

                • 5. Re: Quality of still images in PE9
                  the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                  OK, when at New Project, what did you choose?

                   

                  If a DV Project, it will be SD, and hence 720 x 480, or 720 x 576.

                   

                  If you have Imported larger Images (which it appears that you have), then PrE will be Scaling down the Stills to SD dimensions. PSE, or PS, are better at doing that, than PrE is, due to better Scaling algorithms, and more choices.

                   

                  Good luck,

                   

                  Hunt

                  • 6. Re: Quality of still images in PE9
                    John T Smith CommunityMVP

                    You first need to decide on a correct project setting, which should match your video... and you then scale your pictures to match the project as closely as possible

                     

                    So... let's find out what kind of video you are editing...

                    Read Bill Hunt on a file type as WRAPPER http://forums.adobe.com/thread/440037

                    What is a CODEC... a Primer http://forums.adobe.com/thread/546811

                    What CODEC is INSIDE that file? http://forums.adobe.com/thread/440037

                    .

                    Report back with the codec details of your file, use the programs below... a screen shot works well to SHOW people what you are doing

                    http://forums.adobe.com/thread/592070?tstart=30

                    .

                    For PC http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en or http://www.headbands.com/gspot/

                    For Mac http://mediainspector.massanti.com/

                     

                    When you create a new project and import your video, and before you do any work, do you have a red line over your timeline?

                    http://blogs.adobe.com/premiereprotraining/2011/02/red-yellow-and-green-render-bars.html

                     

                    Also, to help you get started

                    Steve's Basic Training Tutorials http://forums.adobe.com/thread/537685

                    -v09 http://www.amazon.com/Muvipix-com-Guide-Premiere-Elements-version/dp/1453871209/

                     

                    FAQ http://forums.adobe.com/community/premiere_elements/premiere_elements_faq

                    TIPS http://forums.adobe.com/community/premiere_elements/premiere_elements_tips

                     

                    User Guide PDF http://help.adobe.com/en_US/premiereelements/using/index.html

                    -the page also has links to help pages for previous versions... so go to the page for version 9

                    -then, Right click PDF link in the upper right corner and select to save to your hard drive for easy reading and searching

                    • 7. Re: Quality of still images in PE9
                      Gazmum81 Community Member

                      Bill - thanks for clarifying that.  So I can scale down the photos in Photoshop Elements before importing into PE?

                      Having never used Photoshop Elements before, is this easy to do?

                      Is there a tutorial or something you can direct me to?

                      • 8. Re: Quality of still images in PE9
                        Steve Grisetti CommunityMVP

                        If the photos in your video project are going out of focus when you play back your timeline, you just need to render your timeline (Indicated by a red line above the clips on your timeline).

                         

                        Press Enter. The red line will turn green and your playback should look perfect.

                         

                        If you're judging the "blurriness" by the way the DVD looks, remember that a DVD is the equivalent of a 640x480 pixels image. So, if you're looking at it full-screen on your computer monitor, you've stretched it way beyond its actual size.

                         

                        No DVD is ever going to look as sharp and detailed as 2592x1942 images.

                        • 9. Re: Quality of still images in PE9
                          the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                          In this ARTICLE, check out Reply 37, by Neale. He provides the steps required to batch process Still Images in PSE.

                           

                          Good luck,

                           

                          Hunt

                          • 10. Re: Quality of still images in PE9
                            Gazmum81 Community Member

                            Hi Bill it's Pesky Me again!!! 

                            I've followed the recommended steps.

                            The photos have been rendered.

                            They look fine in the preview window, UNTIL I start to play the project then they go fuzzy.

                            What am I doing wrong?  It's driving me nuts.  I am doing the project in a PAL format so are the dimensions I was given not good for that?

                            • 11. Re: Quality of still images in PE9
                              the_wine_snob CommunityMVP
                              • OK, exactly what dimensions did you use?
                              • What was the original format of the Still Images?
                              • What was the output format, when you Scaled the Images in Photoshop?
                              • What is your PAL Project Preset?
                              • What is the setting on your Program Monitor, "Fit," or something else?

                               

                              Those are the prime variables, when it comes to using Still Images in a Video Project.

                               

                              Good luck,

                               

                              Hunt

                              • 12. Re: Quality of still images in PE9
                                Gazmum81 Community Member

                                Sorry. This is getting complicated for me.

                                I think I'm going to start again with a new project and upload the footage again.

                                How do you suggest I proceed to try and avoid the same thing happening?  (Note:  I'm using the PAL format)

                                 

                                (Interestingly, I tried an experiment using Windows Live Movie Maker and had no trouble at all using the photos in any size at all - if the worst comes to the worst I'll just have to do a quick and nasty job using that.)

                                • 13. Re: Quality of still images in PE9
                                  the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                                  I would start by defining exactly what you are doing, i.e. doing a SlideShow with Still Images ONLY, or mixing Video and Still Images.

                                   

                                  Define how you plan to deliver the output file.

                                   

                                  Define the Still Images that you will be using, plus any Video, if you are mixing the two.

                                   

                                  Then, someone can point you to the ideal PAL Project setting, and also suggest the ideal Still Image pixel x pixel dimensions.

                                   

                                  Good luck,

                                   

                                  Hunt

                                  • 14. Re: Quality of still images in PE9
                                    Gazmum81 Community Member

                                    Okay thanks Bill - you have the patience of a saint!

                                    I haven't started anything yet, but hopefully I can give the right answers to your suggestions as follows:

                                     

                                    "I would start by defining exactly what you are doing, i.e. doing a SlideShow with Still Images ONLY, or mixing Video and Still Images."

                                    Answer:  Mixing video and still images.

                                     

                                    "Define how you plan to deliver the output file".

                                    Answer:  Not too sure what you mean by 'output file' ????  If you mean how am I getting the video into PE9, it's via Firewire from a mini DV camcorder. If you mean exporting the final output, it will be to DVD.

                                     

                                    "Define the Still Images that you will be using, plus any Video, if you are mixing the two."

                                    Answer:  They are JPEG files, high resolution (but not a standard size as they were taken by about four different cameras!).  As stated above, the video is from a mini DV camcorder.

                                     

                                    One thing I would like clarified if anyone can do so:  When exporting the finished project I will need to do some in NTSC because they will be going to relatives in the USA.  Can I take it that the quality will be the same as for my PAL project? 

                                     

                                    So - if I've not given the right info above please put me on the right track.  Once again, thank you so much.

                                    • 15. Re: Quality of still images in PE9
                                      nealeh Community Member

                                      Gazmum81 wrote:

                                       

                                      I will need to do some in NTSC because they will be going to relatives in the USA.  Can I take it that the quality will be the same as for my PAL project?

                                      The significant difference is in frame rates. PAL operates at 25 frames per second, NTSC 29.97 fps. So PRE will adjust these on export.

                                       

                                      In all cases where I've produced NTSC from PAL I've been happy with the results. The easiest way for you to see is to burn NTSC from your PAL onto a re-writeable DVD and try it on your DVD Player / TV combination. Most recent European Players / TVs correctly recognise NTSC. If it works OK then you can burn to a regular DVD.

                                       

                                      Cheers,
                                      --
                                      Neale
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