12 Replies Latest reply on Aug 21, 2012 2:16 AM by Steve Fairbairn

    Difficulty arranging graph elements in Illustrator CS6

    Saki H Level 1

      In every version up to CS 5, I could use the direct select tool to select an element of a graph (e.g., a tick mark, an axis or a data point) and move it to another layer. This was very useful because it allows one to hide certain elements or, more importantly, choose which element appears on top when two elements (e.g., two data points) overlap without having to break the graph.

       

      I can't seem to do this in CS6. Is there a new trick I need to learn here or has this functionality intentionally been de-activated?

        • 1. Re: Difficulty arranging graph elements in Illustrator CS6
          Monika Gause Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          assign a stroke/fill of "none" instead

          • 2. Re: Difficulty arranging graph elements in Illustrator CS6
            Saki H Level 1

            That is not really helpful. I need to move elements on top of other elements, not make them invisible.

            • 3. Re: Difficulty arranging graph elements in Illustrator CS6
              Steve Fairbairn Level 5

              In every version up to CS 5, I could use the direct select tool to select an element of a graph (e.g., a tick mark, an axis or a data point) and move it to another layer.

              Moving parts of a graph to another layer serves no purpose. As soon as you alter the graph's options, the parts you moved will re-make themselves on the original layer. Do not meddle with a graph's internal grouping; it's not the right way to work.

              • 4. Re: Difficulty arranging graph elements in Illustrator CS6
                Saki H Level 1

                For the past few years, it has served a purpose for me, which I already articulated.  But, as far as it not being the right way to work, if you can suggest a better method to accomplish the same task, please let me know. Since it doesn't seem possible to continue working this way in CS6 anyway, I am very open to suggestions.

                 

                Thanks.

                • 5. Re: Difficulty arranging graph elements in Illustrator CS6
                  Monika Gause Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                  As I said: assign stroke/fill of "none"

                  • 6. Re: Difficulty arranging graph elements in Illustrator CS6
                    Steve Fairbairn Level 5

                    What Monika says.

                    Also, if you just want to remove tick marks, set them as None in the Category and/or Value axes.

                    • 7. Re: Difficulty arranging graph elements in Illustrator CS6
                      Wade_Zimmerman Level 6

                      If that worked for you then you can select the element of the grsph the same way you have done before and copy andd then paste in place after selecting the new layer in the layers panel. However there wil be a new element created on the original raph under it. Buty that was true in the olf=der versions as well you might not have noticed it.

                       

                      This means if you change the data to the graph the original element changes only and you will have to copy and past in place again of the other layer after deleting the older element.

                       

                      But if thst does not bother you then it can still be done. If you do not care or need to update the graph then you can expand it and simple restack the elements within the same layer.

                      • 8. Re: Difficulty arranging graph elements in Illustrator CS6
                        Saki H Level 1

                        Monika,

                        Thanks again for the reply, but as I said earlier, that won't work for me. I need to interlace different sections of overlapping line graphs. Just making one invisible doesn't solve my issue.

                         

                        Steve,

                        I appreciate this suggestion, but unfortunately that won't do the trick. I don't want to delete the tick marks, I just want them to be below the axis lines. Attached is a screenshot that highlights the issue I am talking about. I want the red tick marks and the value bars underneath the black x-axis. The easiest solution in CS 5 was just to direct select the x-axis and move it up a layer.

                         

                        Screen Shot 2012-08-20 at 1.35.47 PM.png

                         

                        Wade,

                        I think your options to copy-and-paste the element or expand the graph are going to be the best choices for me. In CS5, though, I was able to avoid having to expand the graph, which was helpful when there was a possibility the data would change (I guess I am the only one who receives excel files labeled "FINAL", then "FINAL FINAL", then "REALLY FINAL"? no joke!). When I moved the element to a new layer, Illustrator only re-created the missing element if I updated the graph, so that duplication wasn't always an issue, and when it was I could simply direct select and delete any elements I didn't want once they were on a new layer. (This no longer possible either.) In any event, I guess expanding the graph will now be best for most simple charts. Thanks for your help.

                        • 9. Re: Difficulty arranging graph elements in Illustrator CS6
                          Steve Fairbairn Level 5

                          I don't want to delete the tick marks, I just want them to be below the axis lines.

                          No problem.

                          Direct select the tick marks group by option-double-clicking one one of the ticks and move them down.

                          It might also make a neater job if you gave them projecting caps while you've got them selected.

                           

                          Or did you maybe mean below in the stacking order?

                          Can't be done without ungrouping the graph, and then you lose contact with the data. Best do it on a copy.

                          • 10. Re: Difficulty arranging graph elements in Illustrator CS6
                            Saki H Level 1

                            Or did you maybe mean below in the stacking order?

                            Sorry for the confusion. Below the stacking order is what I meant. As you say, I will need to either expand the graph or copy-and-paste.

                             

                            Nice suggestion about projecting caps—I do that whenever the tick marks are meant to be on top of the axis. Unfortunately, it doesn't help here, though. (That hideousness I put up was just to demonstrate the issue, not a real illustration!)

                             

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                            Neil Weinberg Design

                            • 11. Re: Difficulty arranging graph elements in Illustrator CS6
                              Wade_Zimmerman Level 6

                              {erhaps one day the graph tool will be update and all the lements will be individual objects coneect to the data but alpplied to the elements individually.

                               

                              I think this is a very useful tool and a way for the graph tool to begin a systematic upgradding over two or three version to be come a powerful tool.

                               

                              Right now i agree it is much to limited.

                              • 12. Re: Difficulty arranging graph elements in Illustrator CS6
                                Steve Fairbairn Level 5

                                Below the stacking order is what I meant. As you say, I will need to either expand the graph or copy-and-paste.

                                Reckon so. You can't see or modify the stacking order of graph elements in the Layers panel without ungrouping the graph, so there's no other way. Never has been.

                                On the other hand I agree with Wade that the graph tool needs revamping. It has hardly changed at all since it was first conceived.