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    Digital Editions and Linux

    llaen Community Member

      I've read that Digital Editions works well on Linux under Wine.

       

      I wanted to give it a try, but I can't even download the software installer.

      The page just declares that my OS is not supported and refuses to give me a link to anything.

       

      Do I have to download the setup on a different (Windows) machine and then send it to myself in order to be able to install the software?

      That's kind of stupid, isn't it?

       

      If not, am I simply not seeing the link?

        • 1. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
          Frustrated in AZ Community Member

          Hi!

           

          I checked the Digital Editions support pages and found the System

          Requirements HERE

          <http://www.adobe.com/products/digitaleditions/systemreqs/>.  There's no

          mention of Linux/Unix support, so I'd bet that's why you're getting the

          message....

           

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          • 2. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
            llaen Community Member

            Frustrated in AZ,

             

            This isn't a question about supporting the software in Linux. It's a question about downloading the setup file while using Linux.

            It's up to me to make it work on my system which doesn't fully fit the software requirements. I don't need Adobe pointing out what OS I'm using and how their software is not supported in this case.

            They can add a warning to the download page - sure. At the end of the day, I'm accessing their website on a computer, requesting the install file. It's none of their business what OS I'm using at the time.

             

            What if I was downloading the file under Linux but meaning to set it up on a different, Windows machine?

             

            It makes no sense for Adobe to be barring me from using the software that they're trying to promote... Seems like a great example of non-progressive, backwards thinking.

             

            It ticks me off enough to not care to try it out in Windows (which I sometimes use) either. Was that the end goal of their website? Probably not.

             

            You can trick some institutions into using your software (like my local library), but you also need a proper userbase to have it really take off.

            In my case, I ended up ignoring the Digital Editions format of the book I wanted and instead getting the good old paperback version from the library.

             

            If that was less of a hassle than trying to use Adobe's software, then there's something wrong with the software or, as in this case, the distribution model.

            There's nothing simpler than a download link and yet somehow they got that wrong.

             

            This shouldn't even be up for discussion!

             

             

            -- Stan

            • 3. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
              Frustrated in AZ Community Member

              Stan, I disagree.  I won't belabor the points, but I do want to point out

              that it appears you are 'assuming' you can download the software to your

              LINUX machine and makeit work.  When you download ADE, it installs - there's

              no separate setup file.  It doesn't go to a file for future use.  So, the OS

              you have on the computer will determine whether or not the files install and

              ADE can be used.  I think there is at least a thread (or more) on the forum

              that goes into more detail, so if you're interested, maybe that/those

              thread(s) would be informative.  Also, there is some interoperability

              between other ebook management software and LINUX that may eliminate the

              question entirely.

               

              Hope this helps!

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              • 4. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                Jim_Lester Community Member

                There is the standalone installer (Windows/Mac) at http://www.adobe.com/devnet/digitalpublishing/ that may or may not work for you.

                • 5. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                  llaen Community Member

                  Frustrated in AZ, I see what you mean. If it's one of those install-as-you-download apps then yes, it would be impossible to use right in Linux.

                   

                  As for other ebook reading software - there's certainly that for Linux. Unfortunately the book I needed it for was in Adobe Digital Editions' proprietary format (surprise!) which as far as I know is not supported by other software.

                   

                  I find it very annoying when organizations go with a closed format like the Adobe one which then (attempts to) force you to use whatever software Adobe requires.

                   

                  Thanks for the clarification as to what the download does.

                  • 6. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                    llaen Community Member

                    Jim, that file does download without the website complaining about what software I'm using. No longer need it, but thanks - that's what I was looking for!

                     

                    Now if only Adobe would link to that location when their website downright forbids you to download their installer without having to further investigate and read help docs...

                    • 7. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                      jelabarre59 Community Member

                      Did you actually read his message??? He said he UNDERSTOOD that Adobe didn't make a Linux version.  He just wanted to find the Windows installer to do the install himself through Wine.  Your whining that there isn't a Linux version, and shoving in his face that there isn't one is of NO help.

                      • 8. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                        JiuhaM_007 Community Member

                        There is no linux version for ADE, so you cannot install it.

                         

                        However, what you can do is install WINE and then use WINE to install ADE.

                        (s-g like "wine install.exe")

                         

                        You can also pray that this works right...

                        • 9. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                          jelabarre59 Community Member

                          The problem with ADE under Wine is it *still* doesn't let you manage content for the B&N Nook, since you need USB connectivity, which Wine doesn't have yet.  And since B&N kneecapped the Nook, there's no installing regular Android tools/apps either.

                          • 10. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                            Frustrated in AZ Community Member

                            So you're out of luck with ADE.  Sorry!

                             

                            You might try another epublication management system like Bluefire Reader,

                            Overdrive or B&N's own site....

                             

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                            • 11. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                              jelabarre59 Community Member

                              VERY MUCH out of luck.  The local library system uses Overdrive for it's digital book lending, which requires ADE to interface between their system and the Nook.  No other app will work, apparently, therefore without USB connectivity, I can't check out digital books.  (yes, I checked it out on Overdrive's site, ADE is specified as their interface).
                               
                              A direct interface to the Nook would require sideloading some 3rd-party ap, which thanks to the thugs at B&N has been blocked.  And B&N doesn't have any intention of letting you check-out books rather than paying full retail through them (FYI, it was a gift, and at the time it was purchased B&N hadn't pulled a Sony and *kneecapped* the device yet).   Just have to wait until CM9 is ready and just root the device with a replacement OS.

                              • 12. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                Frustrated in AZ Community Member

                                I know....   The industry settled on certain standard software back in the

                                late '90's when the digital standards were being developed into the Digital

                                Millenium Copyright Act of 2000.  Adobe had their Content Server software

                                in a mature enough state that it was selected for use in digital rights

                                management, along with a couple of others.  Digital Editions was developed

                                around the mid-90's (if my information is correct) and included the CS

                                routines.  As time passed, Adobe's software became the 'de facto'

                                standard.

                                 

                                I'd talk with your local library about alternatives they might have.  You

                                might be able to figure out a way to load ebooks from their Overdrive

                                system directly to an ereader.....  ??????

                                 

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                                • 13. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                  AlxBlack Community Member

                                  I believe if Adobe is not going to release Linux version of  Digital Editions any soon, the community will find a way to live without DRM, Digital Editions and... Adobe. The largest science fiction publisher in the world, Tom Doherty Associates (whose labels include Tor, Forge, Orb, and Starscape books) announced on April 24th, that "by early July 2012, their entire list of e-books will be available DRM-free:       www.defectivebydesign.org

                                  Even O'Reilly already sells DRM-free computer and technical books in a variety of formats...

                                  • 14. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                    tanfur Community Member

                                    Hello,

                                     

                                    This might be more of a licensing issue than a technical one.  The following is advice only if in fact installing on Linux doesn't violate the EULA for the program.  Of course, the technical issues are the same whether or not the license allows it.

                                     

                                    Have you ever heard of user agent spoofing ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_agent_spoofing )?   Most of the browsers (all those I know of) have plugins.  Look for the User-Agent string that identifies you as a MS user, and set your browser to identify itself as that.  Or set the User-Agent string to identify yourself as an OS/X user, if you want to be sure it won't require ActiveX.

                                     

                                    I had to do this around 2001, when my bank's website at the time wanted me to use IE on Windows.  I was running FreeBSD and using Konqueror, which had (at least then) a built-in User-Agent spoofer.  The bank's site didn't actually use any proprietary MS components, it just was picky.  But by spoofing I was able to do the business I needed to do.

                                     

                                    Fortunately, fewer sites are doing that anymore.

                                     

                                    Also if you d/l the installer, perhaps you might also look into using a VM (such as VMWare Workstation or Player, of VirtualBox), and install a full OS on that.  Windows will do that much better than OS/X, which is much harder to virtunalize.  Many computers come with Windows and if so you'll have a license already.

                                     

                                    Good luck!

                                    Blackfeather

                                    • 15. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                      bman_reader Community Member

                                      The standalone-installation package can be downloaded now from https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=digitaleditions (the link provided by Jim_Lester above is out of date), and then installed with Wine. I just installed it on Linux Mint 13, runing Wine 1.5, and I was reading my DRM-ed pdfs in less than a minute. It is annoying the adobe.com makes it nearly impossible to find the link -- I grabbed it here from Wine HQ.

                                      • 16. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                        jelabarre59 Community Member

                                        Sure, can install ADE under Linux through Wine, but *still* can't use it with my Nook Tablet, since Wine doesn't work with USB.  Interfacing to my Nook Tablet is the only thing I would need ADE for, so it's useless to me.

                                        • 17. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                          mfseeker Community Member

                                          Those who are frustrated by not being able to use ADE on linux under WINE might want to try Virtual Box. There is a free version of it that will run on linux boxes. Of course, that does assume that you have some version of a Windows OS.

                                          • 18. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                            jelabarre59 Community Member

                                            Sure, but that means having to run an entire OS inside VirtualBox just to transfer a couple of files; not entirely efficient, certainly not quick (especially on the old hardware we have at home.  Probably can't point ADE to the "network" drive (virtualbox shared folder) to manage the books on my system either.  I have to do the same thing to manage my daughter's LeapFrog toys as well; they may run Linux as the embedded OS on the LeapPad, but spit in the face of those same Linux folks when it comes to managing/updating the toys from your computer (and, like my thought on re-configuring the app data directory, they have no way to re-configure the data directory for their management application, or at least don't feel like trying).

                                             

                                            One thing in Adobe's defense, though; at least there's still active forums to discuss the problem here.  LeapFrog's solution to people's problems and complaints with the shoddy Mac & Windows toy management tools was to *shut down* the forums!

                                            • 19. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                              EowynCarter30 Community Member

                                              Anyone managed to get 2.0 running ith wine ?

                                              As with 1.8, total fail.

                                               

                                              Why, adobe, why.... Why did you try to fix somthing that wasn't broken ?

                                              • 20. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                                Frustrated in AZ Community Member

                                                A moment, please.....

                                                 

                                                Adobe never claimed that Digital Editions would run under Linux.  Some

                                                enterprising folks figured out how to do it, but it was a kluge of

                                                programs.  So why do you think the new version, which still resides in the

                                                Windows/Mac world, would run?  Adobe didn't 'fix' something that was

                                                not 'broken'.....

                                                 

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                                                • 21. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                                  EowynCarter30 Community Member

                                                  No they never said it would work, but it did work. And IMHO,  if no native linux version, they should at least ensure that it runs with wine.

                                                  Digital Edition worked fine, they had no reason to touch it. it's adobe choise to use .Net that broke everything.

                                                   

                                                  For now i'll stick with 1.7 and pray that adobe don't force the update....Or I won't be able to buy drm'ed books anymore....

                                                  • 22. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                                    jelabarre59 Community Member

                                                    They switched *to* .NET?  I thought by now that was determined to be a failed technology <g>.

                                                    • 23. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                                      Frustrated in AZ Community Member

                                                      Good luck, but don't blame Adobe for 'breaking' something.  They are not

                                                      designing the new software for your environment, so your ability to use it

                                                      under Linux/whatever was never part of the design.  If there's any 'blame'

                                                      here, it's whatever drove you away from the Microsoft environment, not

                                                      Adobe.

                                                       

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                                                      • 24. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                                        EowynCarter30 Community Member

                                                        wine definitivly complain about .net. when it did not before.

                                                         

                                                        Digital edition is the only way to download books protected by adobe DRM. The vast majority of e-books sold if you ommit amazon.

                                                        So yes, they definitivly have a responsability in making sure everyone can open drm'ed books... No matter if it's on mac os ; windows ; or linux...

                                                        • 25. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                                          jelabarre59 Community Member

                                                          >  Digital edition is the only way to download books protected by adobe DRM. The vast majority

                                                          > of e-books sold if you ommit amazon.

                                                           

                                                          Especially if you have a Nook Tablet and want to check out library books.  Since B&N want to make it impossible to borrow books, they won't make the Overdrive app available (and you can't sideload, also thanks to the thugs at B&N pulling a Sony by kneecapping the NT).

                                                          • 26. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                                            Frustrated in AZ Community Member

                                                            We'll continue this one more round.

                                                             

                                                            Adobe has one method of implementing digital rights management via its

                                                            Content Server Manager.  It is not the only one, and it is not usable on

                                                            platforms other than Windows or Mac.  Amazon and Apple have implemented

                                                            different methods of digital rights management.

                                                             

                                                            The only way to utilize some of this software on a UNIX or LINUX

                                                            platform is to use what I used to call 'interface software' when I worked

                                                            for IBM.  That's software which has not been written by the OS software

                                                            vendors (Microsoft, Mac and those writing the UNIX code) and is not

                                                            sanctioned by them.  You are at the mercy of those who write 'interface

                                                            software' and should not expect their software to provide you with 100%

                                                            compatibility/function found in the OS software.  Simple as that.

                                                             

                                                            ANY company who writes software packages to operate within an OS can get

                                                            the OS software vendor to certify that their software operates within the

                                                            design parameters of the OS.  If they do, then you have assurance that

                                                            their software will operate consistently within the OS environment.

                                                            There's no guarantee that the software package will continue to operate

                                                            consistently if the OS vendor changes their software.  This is the case

                                                            presently with Digital Editions and Mac Lion OS.  DE doesn't run under Lion.

                                                             

                                                            LINUX and WINE are intended, but not certified by Microsoft, to provide the

                                                            same features and functions to software packages that they would experience

                                                            if it were running under Windows.  There's no guarantee that this is the

                                                            case.  And you should not expect it to be, which you do.

                                                             

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                                                            • 27. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                                              jelabarre59 Community Member

                                                              Well, I've been informed that B&N has finally added the Overdrive app to their market.  So now I can finally use Overdrive on my tablet directly, and don't need ADE to transfer books to the NT.  So that removes the one and only reason I needed Adobe Digital Editions.  So at this point Adobe can do (or not do) whatever they want, as far as I'm concerned; don't need ADE for anything anymore, and I can use the much more useful and capable Calibre (http://calibre-ebook.com) to manage my ebooks .

                                                              • 28. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                                                EowynCarter30 Community Member

                                                                LINUX and WINE are intended, but not certified by Microsoft, to provide the

                                                                same features and functions to software packages that they would experience

                                                                if it were running under Windows.  There's no guarantee that this is the

                                                                case.  And you should not expect it to be, which you do.

                                                                No, what I expect is adobe to poviding us a way for digital eidtion to run with linux. Either with a native app, or by patching ade or wine to get it to work. I'm tierd to have to dual boot windows becasue of some lazy devlopers.

                                                                • 29. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                                                  Frustrated in AZ Community Member

                                                                  If it hasn't happened yet, don't hold your breath......

                                                                   

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                                                                  • 30. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                                                    EowynCarter30 Community Member

                                                                    If noboddy says anything, it's definitivly not going to happen.

                                                                     

                                                                    Maybe if we keep aksing, it will finally reach someone...

                                                                    • 31. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                                                      jelabarre59 Community Member

                                                                      Like I said, if you don't specifically need DRM features from ADE, you might as well be using Calibre (as DRM would be the *only* reason to use ADE).

                                                                      • 32. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                                                        Frustrated in AZ Community Member

                                                                        I'm sorry, but Calibre does not manage digital rights.  Check out

                                                                        the overview located HERE <http://calibre-ebook.com/about>.  Specifics can

                                                                        be found under FAQ's - "How do I use purchased EPUB books with Calibre?"

                                                                        The answer is:

                                                                         

                                                                        "Most purchased EPUB books have

                                                                        DRM<http://drmfree.calibre-ebook.com/about#drm>.

                                                                        This prevents calibre from opening them. You can still use calibre to store

                                                                        and transfer them to your ebook reader. First, you must authorize your

                                                                        reader on a Windows machine with Adobe Digital Editions. Once this is done,

                                                                        EPUB books transferred with calibre will work fine on your reader. When you

                                                                        purchase an epub book from a website, you will get an ”.acsm” file. This

                                                                        file should be opened with Adobe Digital Editions, which will then download

                                                                        the actual ”.epub” ebook. The ebook file will be stored in the folder “My

                                                                        Digital Editions”, from where you can add it to Calibre."

                                                                         

                                                                        So, the process involved is to use ADE on a Windows machine for the

                                                                        download and 'storage' of an EPUB with DRM.  Then, you use Calibre to

                                                                        access the ADE library and transfer the ebook to your ereader.  This is not

                                                                        the same thing that you imply in your post.

                                                                         

                                                                        There's also some notes in the files concerning how to use Calibre under

                                                                        LINUX.  However, they discuss only how to interface Calibre with LINUX so

                                                                        that it will work.

                                                                         

                                                                        Bottom line: you'll need to use ADE and Windows with ebooks that have DRM.

                                                                        You cannot replace ADE with Calibre for those ebooks.

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                                                                        • 33. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                                                          EowynCarter30 Community Member

                                                                          Yeap, DRM is the ONLY reason i use digital edition. To turn .ascm into .epub.

                                                                           

                                                                          Calibre, as said, will not be able to deal with drm. And I hate calibre anyway. I love drm free books. No sofware needed. Download book, copy book to reader, read. So nice

                                                                          • 34. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                                                            jelabarre59 Community Member

                                                                            My e-reader is authorized using the Operdrive app (now that B&N have grudgingly allowed it into their marketplace).  I can now use Overdrive to directly manage AdobeDRM ebooks from our library, and do not need ADE anyplace in the process (you enter your AdobeID in the app configuration).  Everything else I read is from Gutenberg or Creative Commons (neither of which use DRM) or already bought from B&N.

                                                                             

                                                                            If, even after all that, there is *still* a need to use ADE, tehn we get back to the original topic, which is that Adobe needs to get it's head out of it's butt and make ADE available on Linux (with USB support, since I'd need to transfer books from the app to my Nook Tablet).  So one or the other; ADE isn't needed when you have the Overdrive app, or Adobe needs to get porting NOW.

                                                                            • 35. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                                                              EowynCarter30 Community Member

                                                                              My reader is not a nook Barnes and noble unknow in france. Sony app don't run with wine. Amazon, well.. it's amazon. Kobo app... Mmm, Maybe i should try this one with wine.

                                                                               

                                                                              So YOU don't need ade, but i definitivly do. Or I woudn't be there talking about this.

                                                                              • 36. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                                                                jelabarre59 Community Member

                                                                                So you still need the USB connectivity, which running under Wine wouldn't give you (as yet).  So that's why I think Adobe would need to make a linux-native version of ADE.  Unless, of course, Adobe would care to finish/fix the USB support in Wine along with getting ADE to work correctly under Wine.  Their choice, either way, but they MUST choose one, and choose NOW.

                                                                                • 37. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                                                                  jelabarre59 Community Member

                                                                                  actually, there's a third option: Adobe could just tell all their customers using AdobeDRM that they should just abandon DRM as a bad idea.  Just tell the customers that they have proven themselves to be incapable of supporting users.

                                                                                  • 38. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                                                                    EowynCarter30 Community Member

                                                                                    No DRM would be the way to go indead.

                                                                                    usb work fine

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Kobo app seams to run. That's someting.But i don't belive i can get the epub. No, definitivly not. Looking at other apps was worth a try, but...

                                                                                    • 39. Re: Digital Editions and Linux
                                                                                      libertom Community Member

                                                                                      Virtualize XP in VirtualBox!

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