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40. Re: Typeface choice gone
Claudio González Sep 19, 2012 2:27 PM (in response to Jacob Bugge)It can't depend on the phases of the moon; changes are too erratic. It seems to depend on the whims of the designers, who act as it they were the owners of the forums...
For me, the problem is that, once we get a new "feature", it stays there regardless. And for good, as they ironically say in English.
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41. Re: Typeface choice gone
mytaxsite.co.uk Sep 19, 2012 2:41 PM (in response to Claudio González)How about using just the good old fashioned simple plain fonts like monospace or Courier New.
After all it's the solution that matters most to Adobe customers
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42. Re: Typeface choice gone
Noel Carboni Sep 19, 2012 5:04 PM (in response to mytaxsite.co.uk)With this site it's 2 steps forward, 2.3 stumbles back.
The inability to change font to one of the prescribed fonts has led us down the path to talking about fonts that do and do not exist for use everywhere (there are fairly few). Adobe's Typekit (some techonology or other they bought) is supposed to fix that, but it just doesn't work right with the most popular browser. But no matter. No doubt Adobe has noticed all this and will be removing the HTML capability soon.
Here's a new phrase we can all use, and that I think we can ALL agree on and stand behind...
Close enough for Adobe work!
-Noel
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43. Re: Typeface choice gone
pwillener Sep 19, 2012 7:38 PM (in response to Jacob Bugge)Jacob Bugge wrote:
When you write your posts, normally or in the advanced editor, you see the default font in your browser.
No, that is something different again. At least for me; in the editor I see the ugliest font every invented. It looks like an old-fashioned dot-printer.
This is how it looks using Waterfox on Windows 7. Using Firefox on Windows XP is even uglier! I will post an image of that tomorrow...
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45. Re: Typeface choice gone
Noel Carboni Sep 20, 2012 8:13 AM (in response to RickCP)The point is this: Why should it be different from one user's system to another?
- Intentional randomization just for the excitement of it all?
- A "fresh" user experience every visit?
- Adobe wants to convey the message that they really don't understand web content creation?
- Avoidance of that awful deja-vu feeling?
- Completely incompetent web programmers?
Sure is a good thing President Obama appointed the CEO of Adobe as a member of his Management Advisory Board on productivity, the application of technology, and customer service.
-Noel
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46. Re: Typeface choice gone
the_wine_snob Sep 20, 2012 9:00 AM (in response to Noel Carboni)Noel,
Thanks for that. I needed a good laugh this AM.
Hunt
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47. Re: Typeface choice gone
Claudio González Sep 21, 2012 4:54 PM (in response to Noel Carboni)The typeface you used is very small for my eyes, but I seemed to understand "customer service" in your final sentence. Either you are joking, or I am severely in need of new glasses...
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48. Re: Typeface choice gone
Noel Carboni Sep 21, 2012 6:19 PM (in response to Claudio González)Yes, the "good thing" part could be interpreted as a joke. The rest of the post is true enough.
I know you're loathe to use your browser zoom, but give it a try some time, even if for just reading one sentence. That said, I'm resisting using anything but 100% zoom at every turn myself.
-Noel
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49. Re: Typeface choice gone
Noel Carboni Sep 28, 2012 8:47 PM (in response to Noel Carboni)I just discovered another quirk in the font(s) chosen here.
This is a technical forum, right? Someone might want to express a checkbox as:
[ ] Check this box for good things to happen
Look carefully at the square brackets there. Do they look the same height to you? Look closely. Here, I'll grab the screen and magnify them for you:
Who designed this? Stevie Wonder?
-Noel
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51. Re: Typeface choice gone
Noel Carboni Sep 29, 2012 7:46 AM (in response to John Hawkinson)Thanks for your response, John. I'm glad to hear it's not broken for everyone.
For me It looks the same in IE9, Firefox, and Safari.
There is no problem with my rendering. There is a problem with the font. That it is being used with Windows systems rendering like this indicates Adobe either doesn't actually test this stuff, of doesn't care.
By the way, those ClearType colors are there precisely to aid with subpixel rendering, and they help make the text look finer and BETTER, as I have ClearType tuned for my particular displays and preferences. You're missing out on a particularly clear display if you don't have them.
It looks the same in IE9, Firefox, and Safari, by the way.
-Noel
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52. Re: Typeface choice gone
Noel Carboni Sep 29, 2012 8:08 AM (in response to John Hawkinson)I realize ClearType is subtle, and it's easy to point fingers at things like the color precompensation (especially when you don't have it or haven't experienced it), but I thought you'd like to see a macro photo of how it actually works when seen on the monitor. It essentially provides additional horizontal resolution, making the monitor more like an effective 300 x 100 ppi with regard to text rendering.
In fact, without it finely-rendered characters actually look MORE color-fringed.
-Noel
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54. Re: Typeface choice gone
John Hawkinson Sep 30, 2012 10:09 PM (in response to pwillener)Just hit Reply, Quote, and turn on the HTML editor:
<object height="0" id="plugin0" style="position: absolute; z-index: 1000;" type="application/x-dgnria" width="0">
That's all it takes.
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55. Re: Typeface choice gone
pwillener Oct 1, 2012 1:07 AM (in response to John Hawkinson)Yes, I saw that object, but how did that user got it in there...?