8 Replies Latest reply: Oct 13, 2012 11:40 AM by MichelBParis RSS

    Date format in PSE11

    MichelBParis Community Member
    MichelBParis Oct 3, 2012 8:57 AM

      I was just trying to check the behaviour of PSE11 re date formats.

       

      First of all I do not understand how long it takes for the preference dialog to appear (without any waiting message or hourglas...)

      Then, I wanted to be sure that the downloader had been corrected with the last patch used for PSE10:

      - I want YYYYMMDD (YYYYDDMM is stupid for a folder tree ). No way to do that, only YYYYDDMM...

      - I change the date format in the general tab to MMDDYY (which is not the usual format in Europe), and then I can use the required YYYYMMDD scheme for the downloader

       

      So, in my opinion, there is still a BUG in the date format. I should be able to choose the date format in the general tab for normal date display and independently the YYYYMMDD scheme for date folder tree in the downloader.

       

      I am on Win XP, French edition.

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        • 1. Re: Date format in PSE11
          99jon Community Member
          99jon Oct 3, 2012 9:05 AM (in response to MichelBParis)

           

          Hi Michel

           

          That preferred choice is what I also use and it is certainly available in PSE11 on W7.

           

          Downloader-PSE11.png

          • 2. Re: Date format in PSE11
            MichelBParis Community Member
            MichelBParis Oct 3, 2012 11:12 AM (in response to 99jon)

            cardreader-1.jpg

            You are right, the option is present in the downloader dialog, but not in the preferences (see screenshot) = create Subfolders Using ...

            I am satisfied if I can choose the right template for dates, but the message is clearly wrong in the preference dialog.

            It seems that the good choice is offered as default in the downloader, that should prevent being obliged to set the choice for each import batch.

            • 3. Re: Date format in PSE11
              SO_PSE Community Member
              SO_PSE Oct 3, 2012 11:13 PM (in response to MichelBParis)

              I am finding the same option in Preference dialog as it is in downloader dialog.  It is shown corrrectly in preferences dialog (screenshot attached)

              PreferencesDlg.png

              • 4. Re: Date format in PSE11
                MichelBParis Community Member
                MichelBParis Oct 3, 2012 11:15 PM (in response to SO_PSE)

                Since you can see the difference in my screenshot, do you think it has something to do with my French Windows XP version ?

                • 5. Re: Date format in PSE11
                  SO_PSE Community Member
                  SO_PSE Oct 3, 2012 11:24 PM (in response to MichelBParis)

                  I just noticed that if in the general tab, date format is MM/DD/YYYY then Camera preferenes shows Shot date in the format i.e yyyy mm dd. If the format in the general tab is changed to  DD/MM/YYYY   then Camera preferences shows the format as yyyy dd mm.

                  • 6. Re: Date format in PSE11
                    MichelBParis Community Member
                    MichelBParis Oct 4, 2012 12:08 AM (in response to SO_PSE)

                    SG_PSE wrote:

                     

                    I just noticed that if in the general tab, date format is MM/DD/YYYY then Camera preferenes shows Shot date in the format i.e yyyy mm dd. If the format in the general tab is changed to  DD/MM/YYYY   then Camera preferences shows the format as yyyy dd mm.

                    Exactly.

                    Since I want the date shown in DDMMYYYY in the thumbnail view (normal use here) the preference dialog was as shown in my screenshot. I suspect there was and still is a bug in the preference dialog for which the workaround has been to change the downloader to ignore the preference setting and offer a correct default in its menu... As I said, that works for me but that should be corrected.

                     

                    EDIT:

                    I just checked that it was the same in older Elements versions ... (PSE6).

                    • 7. Re: Date format in PSE11
                      Brett N Employee Hosts
                      Brett N Oct 12, 2012 5:45 PM (in response to MichelBParis)

                      So the problem boils down to this:

                       

                      You have changed Preferences > General > Display Options so that Date Format is DD/MM/YYYY (which is standard in Europe)

                       

                      This then causes Preferences > Camera or Card Reader > Download Options so that Create Subfolder(s) Using to also swap Day and Month.

                       

                      However, this setting should not affect the Adobe Photo Downloader at all, which should still offer YYYY/MM/DD. That's what I see on my side, can we agree with that? Also, it sounds like you are not using APD, and letting the instant, automatic download of files when you plug-in your camera (at least, that is the only way I can see this bug actually playing out).

                       

                      I don't think we've had this level of detail on this particular issue before. I think a lot of these settings have been taken for granted, and it also was getting mixed in and confussed with a number of other Date bugs in Organizer (which should be fixed in PSE11). I'll log the bug on this to get it fixed, assuming my understanding above is correct.

                      • 8. Re: Date format in PSE11
                        MichelBParis Community Member
                        MichelBParis Oct 13, 2012 11:40 AM (in response to Brett N)

                        Brett N wrote:

                         

                        So the problem boils down to this:

                         

                        You have changed Preferences > General > Display Options so that Date Format is DD/MM/YYYY (which is standard in Europe)

                         

                        This then causes Preferences > Camera or Card Reader > Download Options so that Create Subfolder(s) Using to also swap Day and Month.

                         

                        However, this setting should not affect the Adobe Photo Downloader at all, which should still offer YYYY/MM/DD. That's what I see on my side, can we agree with that?

                        Yes, I agree :

                        1 - the download option is changed automatically.

                        2 - this does not affect the APD, which still offers YYYYMMDD

                        Nr 1 is misleading and I did lose a lot of time trying to get around the lack of a proper choice without realizing that had no effect on the APD date scheme.

                        There was the additional PSE10 real bug which resulted in an Adobe patch (which I installed) to solve the problem : that did confuse things a little more...

                         

                        Since the downloader ignores the preferences, that explains not many (European) users have noticed the lack of logic in the preferences.

                        Now, there are several ways to get around that problem:

                        - offer the complete date scheme set in the preferences for APD independently from the date display choice

                        - don't state a choice for APD at all in the preferences

                        - last but not least : I maintain that only YYYYMMDD has some meaning for a folder tree : why offer a choice in the preference or in the downloader itself ? Would not it be the simplest and wisest course to follow ?