Exporting for HTML 5 video (.webm & .ogg)

[Saeroner]

I can't believe there is not more demand for this. My web dev is asking me for over 300 video clips in both .web and .ogg - - AME does not do this.

Do you guys have this problem? Any sucess with a 3rd party plug-in of some sort. I can use Firefogg (from Firefox) but it's slow using over the web as opposed to exporting from Premiere.

[Kevin-Monahan]

Here's a video tutorial that may be helpful: http://www.video2brain.com/en/lessons/producing-for-html5

[Saeroner]

What does that have to do with webm and ogg formats?

[Kevin-Monahan]

I thought it would be helpful, but I guess it didn't include the info you need.

If you would like .webm or .ogg output from Adobe Media Encoder, please make a feature request:
http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

Here's a thread about HTML5 video encoding that may be more helpful:
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4065922

Here's an article that may be of some help:
http://www.reelseo.com/webm-vp8-encoding-tools/

Another free tool that can export the files you need:
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

[Saeroner]

Thanks. Yeah i've been testing VLC for conversions - - still takes forever though.

I actually requested it more than a year ago. Read a few threads on the topic as well. I'm just surprised that this topic isn't more popular.

[Kevin-Monahan]

I would definitely request the feature. We know that users want it.

[Michał_Tworek]

Yet again i'm unsatisfied with adobe product. If your software was free i could be even happy with this level of service. Since your products are one of the most expensive i expect them to be at least as good as free ones. How can You post link to free tool that does somenthing that part of software i bought for about $4000 SHOULD DO. This is shamefull.

[ExactImage]

Michał Tworek wrote:

Yet again i'm unsatisfied with adobe product. If your software was free i could be even happy with this level of service. Since your products are one of the most expensive i expect them to be at least as good as free ones. How can You post link to free tool that does somenthing that part of software i bought for about $4000 SHOULD DO. This is shamefull.

My car cost a lot of money but I can walk for free

I have both .web and .ogg working in Media Encoder.  I simply followed Kevin's links and watched tutorials etc.  I don't see the problem.

Adobe don't own those encoders and some of them can't be included in commercial products (due to licensing issues) so it's hard to blame Adobe for not including them.   It's no different to them not including DNxHD and ProRes 'Built-In'.   If you install the codecs you're likely to be able to use them in AME just like all the others.

[jbowyers]

ExactImage can you provide details on how to add .ogg and WEb M support to ME. I could not find the resource you mentioned.

Thanks

[jojejo]

Hi ExactImage,

yes it would be very nice if you share your knowledge how to add Webm to the adobe Media Encoder.

Regards

Johannes

[Thieme_Compliance]

Hi ExactImage,

I know AME can be enabled to export webm video, if you are using a Mac. In this case the quicktime filters provided by the webm project will do the job. I work with a PC, and I tried to achieve the same with the direct show filters from the webm project. But somehow this doesn't seem to work. I would appreciate help very much.

Thanks! Holger

[jmichae1]

I know I want it in cs5 and its cs4 32-bit support.

[jmichae1]

I remember that vp8/webm, ogg/vorbis, and ogg/threora are formats which are open source.

this may or may not be the issue. if there is an open source license attached to any/all of the formats, then you have to check the license first. then it's quite possible you will have to stick with miro for vp8/webm and ogg.

apparently, directshow has filters for theora. who knows, maybe vp8/webm too.

it is under the BSD 3-line license. the bsd license usually allows for commercial development, but you will have to look at the license to determine that, and I don't see it yet. in rthe colophon it said the theora bsd-like license doesn't restrict a 3rd party from implementing theora software (but it must support playback, even in the future according to wikipedia).

http://www.theora.org/doc/Theora.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vp8

vp8 is under the creative commons 3.0 license. that license is described here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons_licenses

I got the following from "google webm":

http://www.webmproject.org/

this link contains encoder code, specifications, etc.

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-payload-vp8-08

this link is the vp8 draft spec RFP (request for porposal)

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6386/

this link is the webm payload format (container format I think).

Message was edited by: jmichae1 - add link for miro

Message was edited by: jmichae1 added link for miro, corrected text about directshow

[jmichae1]

wait, cs6 is out, does it still not have it in 2013?

[Thieme_Compliance]

Hi jmichae1,

I use CS6 and no, it doesn't support webm yet.

[Thieme_Compliance]

Before I forget, this may take a long time, but finally an official request might help, too:

http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

I already sent mine, but it might be helpful if as many users as possible requested the feature.

[jmichae1]

I sent in mine.

[Thieme_Compliance]

So let's keep our fingers crossed 🙂 In the meantime I tried a freeware encoder called XMedia Recode (http://www.xmedia-recode.de) which even does batch encoding. Still it would be very nice if there was an update for the Adobe Media Encoder incorporating webm!

[Jim_Simon]

Honestly the better option is for FireFox to support H.264 (and in the future, H.265) in the HTML tag.  IE, Safari and Chrome already do.  It's a shame the best browser doesn't support the best video codec.  They've added it to the Android version, so there's no reason they can't add it for every version.

[Thieme_Compliance]

Hi Jim,

you have a point here. But the fact remains that under certain circumstances clients do require webm as an output format. I simply hope that adding the feature to the wish list and browsing the help forums will ultimately lead me to a solution.

Thanks, Holger

[jmichae1]

that would make it a non-open-source browser if I understand right. h.264 is not licensed under an open source license. this is probably procisely the reason why open source browsers like webkit and firefox are using webm and theora, and non-open-source browsers want to use something where they don't have to be forced to reveal their source code, such as h.264 and other closed-license formats. I think you will see the dividing line now.

[Jim_Simon]

That is why Firefox doesn't include it by default in their primary browser.  But it's just not a good enough reason, in my view.  It's enabled on Firefox for Android.  Like it or not, the licensed H.264 does provide the best quality/size ratio.  Mozilla needs to get down off their high horse on this one and include support for all versions.

Or...come up with a better GPL'd codec (which is unlikely given the recent first round completion of the also licensed H.265 spec, which is sure to take over the near ubiquity of H.264 video on the web).

[jmichae1]

forget whjat I just said. it was off-base.

[Bruce M. Van Horn II]

I would point out that ogg export exists in Audition CS6.  If they can do it there, why can they not do it in AME?  Most game engines use the ogg format and we need to able to convert many files in batch.  I don't like the "free tools" because I find them untrustworthy (i.e. what else are they installing?  I don't need ANOTHER toolbar on my browser.) My gripe right now is audio, not video.  But I know I'll need web video support at some point.

[chuckscroggs]

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