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      • 1,680. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
        bob frost Level 3

        From: "Keith_Reeder

        Which brings us back to the question: where are the problems really? In

        Lr? Or on the user's machine?

         

        Mostly the latter! Shizam1 has just cured his problems - see his posts. I

        cured mine, as I reported about 1000 posts ago!

         

        Bob frost

        • 1,681. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
          bob frost Level 3

          rpavich1234 wrote:

           

          Well...LR 3 wasn't "buggy" and it was only 4 years old

           

          Of course it was buggy; you just didn't notice any!

           

          Bob Frost

          • 1,682. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
            bob frost Level 3

            rpavich1234 wrote:

             

             

            Lol...not a question...it's LR4.

             

            What's the old saying? "There is none so blind as those who will not see".

             

            Bob frost

            • 1,683. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
              rpavich1234 Level 1

               

               

              Mostly the latter! Shizam1 has just cured his problems - see his posts. I

              cured mine, as I reported about 1000 posts ago!

               

              Bob frost

              Wow! Congrats...two...

               

              Only 50,000 more to go and we'll have a trend

               

              Shazam!

              • 1,684. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                rpavich1234 Level 1

                Of course it was buggy; you just didn't notice any!

                bob frost wrote:

                 

                 

                 

                What's the old saying? "There is none so blind as those who will not see".

                 

                Bob frost

                Bingo.

                • 1,685. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                  bob frost Level 3

                  rpavich1234 wrote:

                   

                  Of course it was buggy; you just didn't notice any!

                  bob frost wrote:

                   

                  What's the old saying? "There is none so blind as those who will not see".

                   

                  Bingo.

                  I'd love to come round and sort your computer out! Perhaps I could do it by Remote Assistance!!

                   

                  Bob Frost

                  • 1,686. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                    rpavich1234 Level 1

                    I'd love to come round and sort your computer out! Perhaps I could do it by Remote Assistance!!

                     

                    Bob Frost

                    All you have to do is install LR 3.5

                    • 1,687. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                      bob frost Level 3

                      From: "rpavich1234

                      All you have to do is install LR 3.5

                       

                      All YOU have to do is install 3.5!

                       

                      I have 4.3 running satisfactorily on 2 desktops and two laptops (not at the

                      same time) without any significant problems. Different motherboards,

                      processors, drives, drivers, monitors, etc., etc. All system problems have

                      been sorted.

                       

                      Currently sorting out one or two system problems with Win8 upgrades on three

                      of them. LR4.3 running fine on Win8.

                       

                      Bob Frost

                       

                      PS This thread has been going on for so long, I've completely forgotten what

                      your problems are. (Apart from the 'blindness'

                      • 1,688. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                        rpavich1234 Level 1

                        All YOU have to do is install 3.5!

                        I was making a joke...you said you'd sort my system...it was sorted...and even pretty good at 4.3 RC...I guess I have to roll back until Adobe fixes "my" system with their next incremental release

                        • 1,689. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                          Bob_Peters Level 3

                          Jao vdL wrote:

                           

                          Weird! The delay is almost completely gone on my machine to where it is now

                          actually usable and enables stepping through images in 1:1 to check focus.

                          Before that was a disaster and I simply did it in Develop as it was

                          actually faster there even when 1:1 previews were all pregenerated. Very

                          curious as all I did was download and run automatic update to 4.3 release.

                           

                          PROBLEM SOLVED!

                           

                          OS X (10.8.2)

                          15 inch MacBook Pro (retina)

                          2.6 GHz quad-core i7

                          8 GB memory

                          512 GB SSD

                           

                           

                          Today, for the second time, I erased the SSD and installed a minimal system (OS X 10.8.2) consisting of the default applications and Lightroom 4.3.  I then created a catalog with 7, 12-bit D800 NEF images.

                           

                          Well, this time the Lightroom response when zooming to 1:1 in the Library module was 1 second or less.  So, I started adding applications but the Lightroom response was still excellent until I installed the Color-Eyes Display Pro software (version 1.6) and the profiles I had created months ago.  As soon as I installed the old profiles, each one being a 16-bit LUT, the Lightroom zooming response went back into the tank.  When I changed to a generic matrix profile all was well again.

                           

                          I then restored the full system, created a new matrix profile and all was well:  I could create 1:1 profiles and then zoom to 1:1 in Grid view or Loupe view in one second or less.

                           

                          I don't know if the problem is with the Color-Eyes LUT, Lightroom or OS X but I strongly suspect OS X is the problem.  Can anyone shed some light on this?

                          • 1,690. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                            Jao vdL Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                            I think Lightroom has had issues with ICC v4 LUT profiles since the very

                            first version. But this has always just resulted in bad color, especially

                            bad shadow rendering with banding and completely plugged up shadows and

                            differences between Lightroom and Photoshop which is why I have always been

                            recommending people generate simple icc v2 matrix profiles. A long time ago

                            we chased this down on the forum and one user wrote it up here:

                            http://photo.bragit.com/Lightroom/articles/ColorManagement.shtml and some

                            quick googling shows many threads with people getting bad color with LUT

                            profiles: http://photo.net/digital-darkroom-forum/00YAgu

                            http://unifiedphoto.com/2010/09/lightroom-images-do-not-look-same-as-photoshop/.

                            I have not heard of it leading to bad performance. My display is

                            calibrated using a spyder which creates simple matrix profiles so the

                            slowness in LR 4.3 RC for 1:1 zooming that I experienced cannot have been

                            because of the same reason. Lightroom uses the Adobe color management

                            system and not Apple's Colorsync (or the windows equivalent), so I would be

                            hesitant to ascribe this to the OS but clearly to a code issue in

                            Lightroom. Your observation is consistent with someone somewhere else in

                            this Frankenthread describing how Lightroom seems to constantly be reading

                            in the monitor profile. I am sure it is quite a large icc file if you have

                            16-bit LUTs in there.

                            • 1,691. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                              Bob_Peters Level 3

                              I was generating icc v2 16-bit LUTs.  At least that is what the preferences indicated.

                               

                              Re:  this Frankenthread

                              I wish someone would move the last few entries into a new thread.  This one is just too large.

                              • 1,692. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                Todd Shaner Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                Jao vdL wrote:

                                 

                                Your observation is consistent with someone somewhere else in

                                this Frankenthread describing how Lightroom seems to constantly be reading

                                in the monitor profile. I am sure it is quite a large icc file if you have

                                16-bit LUTs in there.

                                That was this post:

                                 

                                http://forums.adobe.com/message/4670717#4670717#4670717

                                 

                                What's interesting is that I have the same X-Rite Display 2 calibrator & software and I couldn't duplicate the problem on my Windows 7.

                                • 1,693. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                  uphotography

                                  I am seeing a lot of arrogance from many people here. And while that is, sometimes, an inner quality of artists, the levels of arrogance in some of these posts is "too damn high".

                                   

                                  It is also showing almost a primitive approach to things:

                                   

                                  - I don't see it, hence it doesn't exist (or it is your fault)

                                  - I fixed "it", then it is your fault.

                                   

                                  It is obvious from many of these comments (at least to me) that many of the people giving them do not have a a clue of what the scientific method is and how things are approached in science. In the end this problem (whether it is my system, in LR, or a combination of both) belongs to the computer science world. All we can do is base our suggestions in observations, and of that this thread is also full of, with many useful comments that have helped "fix" the problem of LR. I said "fix" because maybe that user didn't really observe the acute problems that other people are having. Furthermore, we all say "problem" when we could be talking about a tuning issue or a real LR bug, or even a software conflict with LR. In the end, they all might have similar symptoms, hence we all have the "same" problem but in reality you might be able to fix it (by removing the conflicting software, or doing a couple of tricks to improve the performance). Still, there are going to be people that no matter what they do they WON'T be able to "fix" it, until Adobe correct the bug(s). Why is it showing in some systems and not in others if it is a bug in LR? I don't know. There could be a gazillion answers to that. I can only relate to what I can observe.

                                   

                                  I have personally tried most of the solutions given here and in other forums and NOTHING worked. Now, if you are too full of yourself to think that you are way better than I am and your arrogance is so big that you think that by you deleting a couple of files here and there and changing the size of my cache remotely you are going to fix my problem then I'll save you some time. It won't work and you are in for a disappointment, I would love to let you try just so your bubble breaks but I am afraid you are going to mess up my system. If I would be in the area, I would be more than willing to let people like trshaner, Rob or even somebody from Adobe take a look at it and experience first hand my problem. I'd do that more so they see by themselves LR (not) working than for the hopes of getting it fixed since I am convinced it is a LR problem.

                                   

                                  I'll tell you what worked: LR 4.3 RC did. It worked. There is no side reading to this. The same way LR 4.1 RC solved some people's problems, that LR 4.2 RC solved some other people's problems, well, LR 4.3 RC solved MY problems. The sad news is that the final release, LR 4.3 introduced the problems again. I have to say that LR 4.3 is an improvement over LR 4.2 or 4.1. Still very annoying to work with and to me it is still not in an acceptable working condition. With previous LR 4.x releases I would observe freeze-outs of up to 30 seconds (non-responding application). Now those black rectangles and freeze-outs "only" take about 10 seconds. Loading times are not up to 1 minute anymore, but still, 15-30 seconds to load an image is not acceptable, especially when working with a large amount of images. Is this the limit of my system? I don't think so. LR 4.3 RC would load previews almost instantly, 1-2 seconds max), I had no slowdowns at absolutely any moment, so, for a brief period, MY system and lightroom worked absolutely perfect together.

                                   

                                  While I lost all hope of Adobe fixing the problem before a new paid update (5.0) and my interest on pursuing it, I find your arrogance intolerable. You don't have problems: Good for you! You solved your problems? Awesome! Congrats! Now, don't come here and pretend that because you did, everybody should have solved their problem and if they didn't is because they are stupid. (If I were Adobe, and had seen my video with my problems and then that 4.2 doesn't work, 4.3 RC works and 4.3 final release doesn't work but works a bit better than 4.2, then, c'mon, they should know what they changed in between, they should know, by now, what is causing the problems shown in my video. )

                                   

                                  It happens in different OS, it happens in different machines, and it happens in different degrees. The only common point (so far) is LR. But again, while they are being referenced as the same problem, they all might be different problems. All I know is that with my (excellent/faulty/average/what-not) system, LR 4.3 RC worked like a charm and LR 4.3 or other versions (LR 4.x) didn't.

                                   

                                  Have a great holidays everybody.

                                  • 1,694. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                    Stephen_Carpenter

                                    uphotography wrote:

                                     

                                    Why is it showing in some systems and not in others if it is a bug in LR?

                                     

                                    That's typical for bugs in software. Some are found during the QA cycle but often they only appear when running on a customer's system. This is either due to timing differences or unexpected (but valid) behaviour of interfaces on the customer system.

                                     

                                    The QA systems will be largely sandboxes that run through automated test patterns. If that test pattern is not representative of your workflow then you may experience issues that Adobe have not seen before and also someone using a different workflow to you may not see the issue either. That doesn't change the fact that you have stumbled on a bug in the code.

                                    • 1,695. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                      A C G Level 1

                                      "I have personally tried most of the solutions given here"

                                       

                                      But not all, Uphotography.

                                       

                                      Around early October I suggested that people still frustrated by LR might save themselves time and frustration by trying another RAW converter. After all there is nothing to stop anyone coming back to LR within the period that they have paid for upgrades.

                                       

                                      I took my own medicine and moved to Qimage Ultimate. I already used Qimage for my printing so trying it on my RAWs cost me nothing to do and only a few pounds to upgrade once I saw it worked. I found it:-

                                      handled noise better

                                      dealt with blown out highlights better

                                      was more foregiving with deep shadows

                                       

                                      On the other hand I found my work flow slower. However, it/I am gettting faster with every session.

                                       

                                      One or two people around here commented about my change of software (I cannot remember whether it was a Bob or a Rob) but, sadly I think, not one person took the time to try. I am not wanting to devalue Uphotography's erudite message but it probably took as long to write as it would have taken him/her to try QU.

                                       

                                      If QU is no good for those still struggling with LR then all the experiment has cost is a bit of time. If it does work then you/they have a tool to use until they feel inclined to return to LR. I for one am keeping my options open and that is why this thread is flagged to my email system. It is not a crime to use another coffee shop whilst your favourite is being re-developed - nobody is going to take offence if you end up preferring the new one or move back to the old one.

                                       

                                      For the record I do need to repeat that I have nothing to do with Qimage other than that of a customer/user. But I am jolly glad I gave it a try six, or so, weeks ago on my RAWs.

                                       

                                      Tony

                                      • 1,696. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                        bob frost Level 3

                                        From: "uphotography

                                        It is obvious from many of these comments (at least to me) that many of

                                        the people giving them do not have a a clue of what the scientific method

                                        is and how things are approached in science

                                         

                                        Well that leaves me out of your criticism, since I was a moderately

                                        successful research scientist for about 30 yrs.

                                         

                                         

                                        >Now, if you are too full of yourself to think that you are way better than

                                        >I am and your arrogance is so big that you think >that by you deleting a

                                        >couple of files here and there and changing the size of my cache remotely

                                        >you are going to fix my > problem then I'll save you some time. It won't

                                        >work and you are in for a disappointment,

                                         

                                        Well, Shazam1 and Bob Peters have just posted how they cured their problems

                                        by changing some things, so it can be done!

                                         

                                        And don't get too worked up over the exchange of posts between rpavich and

                                        myself; we were both winding each other up, in a friendly way I hope.

                                         

                                        I'll tell you what worked: LR 4.3 RC did. It worked. There is no side

                                        reading to this. The same way LR 4.1 RC solved some people's problems,

                                        that LR 4.2 RC solved some other people's problems, well, LR 4.3 RC solved

                                        MY problems. The sad news is that the final release, LR 4.3 introduced the

                                        problems again. I have to say that LR 4.3 is an improvement over LR 4.2 or

                                        4.1. Still very annoying to work with and to me it is still not in an

                                        acceptable working condition. With previous LR 4.x releases I would

                                        observe freeze-outs of up to 30 seconds (non-responding application). Now

                                        those black rectangles and freeze-outs "only" take about 10 seconds.

                                        Loading times are not up to 1 minute anymore, but still, 15-30 seconds to

                                        load an image is not acceptable, especially when working with a large

                                        amount of images. Is this the limit of my system? I don't think so. LR 4.3

                                        RC would load previews almost instantly, 1-2 seconds max), I had no

                                        slowdowns at absolutely any moment, so, for a brief period, MY system and

                                        lightroom worked absolutely perfect together.

                                         

                                         

                                        That is interesting, so have you looked to see what is happening 'behind the

                                        scenes' in your computer while the freezeouts are occurring? That may give

                                        you and Adobe a clue to what is going on in your computer. Can't you

                                        continue to use 4.3RC for the time being? Not sure when it expires.

                                         

                                        It happens in different OS, it happens in different machines, and it

                                        happens in different degrees. The only common point (so far) is LR. But

                                        again, while they are being referenced as the same problem, they all might

                                        be different problems.

                                         

                                         

                                        Agreed, there are millions and millions of different combinations of

                                        hardware and software out there. No-one can test a program in all those

                                        combinations. Beta testing on a range of computers can nail the bugs that

                                        show up on those, and public beta testing can identify more. But public beta

                                        testing doesn't allow Adobe to easily identify the problems, which is where

                                        this type of forum comes in.

                                         

                                        One useful thing I have done for years (adopted from my scientific

                                        background) is to keep a written log of all the changes I make to my

                                        computer. Every install or uninstall of programs, updates of drivers,

                                        changing drives, bios settings, etc are all recorded in the notebook by my

                                        computer. That makes trouble-shooting much easier, and when I get a

                                        trouble-free setup, I back it up immediately (and record it), so that if any

                                        future change causes problems, I can go back to the stable setup. None of

                                        this comes from 'artistic arrogance', but from basic scientific method. It

                                        is all too easy to blame one change for a problem, when looking at the log

                                        shows I installed several Windows updates, and made other minor changes at

                                        about the same time.

                                         

                                        Hope your problem get solved, one way or the other.

                                         

                                        Bob Frost

                                        • 1,697. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                          KKuja Level 1

                                          Well, Shazam1 and Bob Peters have just posted how they cured their problems

                                          by changing some things, so it can be done!

                                           

                                          Are you saying every problem with LR can be fixed by user? I'm asking this because what you wrote implies so, and I'd like to be sure what you mean before I agree or disagree.

                                           

                                          Personally I believe many problems can be cured by user, but price of doing so may be too large, either in time or money (get a new leading edge machine, get several machines and test which components work best with this software, or just by use days to debug what is the bottleneck of this machine.) But I also believe that at least some problems can only be cured with bug fixes. I mean this as general statement, which applies to all software.

                                          • 1,698. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                            Bob_Peters Level 3

                                            bob frost wrote:

                                             

                                            Well, Shazam1 and Bob Peters have just posted how they cured their problems

                                            by changing some things, so it can be done!

                                             

                                            Bob Frost

                                             

                                            What I did was not really a solution, Bob.  Using a matrix profile instead of a LUT was a work-around.

                                             

                                            I am now more and more convinced that the problem is with Lightroom since I had no problems with any other application, including Photoshop CS5.

                                            • 1,699. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                              bob frost Level 3

                                              From: "Bob_Peters

                                              What I did was not really a solution, Bob.  Using a matrix profile in

                                              stead of a LUT was a work-around.

                                               

                                              It was A solution; perhaps not the ideal one, which would be for LR to

                                              handle ALL types of profile, v2 and V4, matrix and LUT, from ALL

                                              profile-making software, good and bad. But it is well-known that LR is

                                              sensitive to variations in profiles. No idea why.

                                               

                                              Glad you've found a way to get LR working smoothly.

                                               

                                              bob Frost

                                              • 1,700. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                                bakubo Level 1

                                                uphotography wrote:

                                                 

                                                I'll tell you what worked: LR 4.3 RC did. It worked. There is no side reading to this. The same way LR 4.1 RC solved some people's problems, that LR 4.2 RC solved some other people's problems, well, LR 4.3 RC solved MY problems. The sad news is that the final release, LR 4.3 introduced the problems again.

                                                Only Adobe knows what they changed between LR 4.3 RC and LR 4.3, but one thing we know is different is that LR 4.3 RC just had a time limit on use, but LR 4.3 has code for licensing.  Unlikely, but I wonder if when they turned on the licensing code in 4.3 it affects some systems like yours?

                                                • 1,701. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                                  areohbee Level 6

                                                  uphotography wrote (paraphrased by Rob):

                                                  |> "4.3RC worked, 4.3-final introduced the problems again"

                                                   

                                                  Are we sure its a difference between 4.3RC and 4.3-final? i.e. have they been swapped (re-installed) a few times to confirm it wasn't a fluke?

                                                  • 1,702. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                                    bob frost Level 3

                                                    From: "Rob Cole

                                                    Are we sure its a difference between 4.3RC and 4.3-final? i.e. have they

                                                    been swapped (re-installed) a few times to confirm it wasn't a fluke?

                                                     

                                                    Rob's question made me think about the LR prefs files. When you upgrade, LR

                                                    often/always cannibalizes the previous prefs file if it is still around. And

                                                    that prefs file contains loads of stuff about what LR has done in the past.

                                                    Might be worth deleting all old prefs files (LR3 as well, if they are still

                                                    there) and starting 4.3-final with a new prefs file. I was amazed when I

                                                    looked inside a prefs file; I used to think it just stored my prefs that I

                                                    set under Prefs, but it contains all sorts of historical stuff. I think it

                                                    is best cleared out now and again.

                                                     

                                                    Bob Frost

                                                    • 1,703. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                                      Bob_Peters Level 3

                                                      Bob_Peters wrote:

                                                       

                                                      Jao vdL wrote:

                                                       

                                                      Weird! The delay is almost completely gone on my machine to where it is now

                                                      actually usable and enables stepping through images in 1:1 to check focus.

                                                      Before that was a disaster and I simply did it in Develop as it was

                                                      actually faster there even when 1:1 previews were all pregenerated. Very

                                                      curious as all I did was download and run automatic update to 4.3 release.

                                                       

                                                      PROBLEM SOLVED!

                                                       

                                                      OS X (10.8.2)

                                                      15 inch MacBook Pro (retina)

                                                      2.6 GHz quad-core i7

                                                      8 GB memory

                                                      512 GB SSD

                                                       

                                                       

                                                      Today, for the second time, I erased the SSD and installed a minimal system (OS X 10.8.2) consisting of the default applications and Lightroom 4.3.  I then created a catalog with 7, 12-bit D800 NEF images.

                                                       

                                                      Well, this time the Lightroom response when zooming to 1:1 in the Library module was 1 second or less.  So, I started adding applications but the Lightroom response was still excellent until I installed the Color-Eyes Display Pro software (version 1.6) and the profiles I had created months ago.  As soon as I installed the old profiles, each one being a 16-bit LUT, the Lightroom zooming response went back into the tank.  When I changed to a generic matrix profile all was well again.

                                                       

                                                      I then restored the full system, created a new matrix profile and all was well:  I could create 1:1 profiles and then zoom to 1:1 in Grid view or Loupe view in one second or less.

                                                       

                                                      I don't know if the problem is with the Color-Eyes LUT, Lightroom or OS X but I strongly suspect OS X is the problem.  Can anyone shed some light on this?

                                                       

                                                      These same conclusions hold true for Lightroom 4.3 running on my MacPro 1,1 (2007 vintage running OS X 10.7.5) once one allows for the relative slowness of the MacPro.  It's getting tired

                                                       

                                                      LUT profiles and Lightroom do not get along with one another.

                                                       

                                                      Message was edited by: Bob_Peters Added OS information for MacPro comment.

                                                      • 1,704. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                                        Darren88 Level 1

                                                        bob frost wrote:

                                                        Rob's question made me think about the LR prefs files. When you upgrade, LR

                                                        often/always cannibalizes the previous prefs file if it is still around. And

                                                        that prefs file contains loads of stuff about what LR has done in the past.

                                                        I found that my LR4 agprefs files was 92KB after installing and letting it read the LR3 file.

                                                        Renaming all the agprefs files (including an LR2 file despite me never having had LR2) to make it build a new file created one that was around 16KB. 

                                                        Once I'd set everything how I liked it the file was still only 58KB.

                                                         

                                                        So over a third of the file LR4 generated initially was rubbish which is quite a substantial proportion.

                                                        • 1,706. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                                          uphotography Level 1

                                                          A C G wrote:

                                                           

                                                          "I have personally tried most of the solutions given here"

                                                           

                                                          But not all, Uphotography.

                                                           

                                                          Around early October I suggested that people still frustrated by LR might save themselves time and frustration by trying another RAW converter. After all there is nothing to stop anyone coming back to LR within the period that they have paid for upgrades.

                                                           

                                                           

                                                          Tony,

                                                           

                                                          If I remember correctly, I saw your post back then but you didn't mention which one it was (what software). (Maybe I am confusing you with somebody else.) I think you even proposed people to contact you via email if they were interested in knowing what software you were talking about but, unfortunately, your email is set to private so I never knew. In any case

                                                           

                                                          I haven't tried Qimage but I did try many other alternatives. As a matter of fact, because of trying them a long time ago, I decided to stop my DNG conversion since they did not handle very well DNGs or sometimes would not open them at all.

                                                           

                                                          Thanks for the advice.

                                                          • 1,707. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                                            A C G Level 1

                                                            Uphotography,

                                                             

                                                            Sorry but I did not realise my email was not showing. I did not mention the name of the software out of respect for Adobe but nobody thinks offence will be caused as C1, Bibble, etc all get named.

                                                             

                                                            Qimage Ultimate has moved on a lot since the old days of Qimage as a printing suite. There is a new sharpening technique called Deep Focus Sharpening. That can be applied with Tone Targeting. The Auto Exposure is right an astonishing amount of the time. As you convert from RAW you have lots of control over burnt highlights.

                                                             

                                                            Yes, it needs a fast machine. But then so does LR if one is to read the messages above. Yes, it is best if you can call up your folder of RAWs, apply a small selection of filters and then take time to brew a cup of coffee. I've just set it working on a folder of around 150 shots I did yesterday whilst I send this message. My guess is that when I go back to QU around 90% of the shots will be ready to post to the web. The other ten percent will require a bit of extra 'tinkering' but probably no more than a quarter of an hour's work. However, the real plus is that IMHO the shots will look better than they did with LR.

                                                             

                                                            Enough said. I sound like a salesman - not just a happy snapper!

                                                             

                                                            Tony

                                                            • 1,708. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                                              rpavich1234 Level 1

                                                              Update:

                                                               

                                                              Got a new laptop: Alienware M17X...SSD drive, 8GB ram 1GB video.

                                                               

                                                              LR 4.3 runs pretty darn well on it.

                                                               

                                                              And no, I didn't get this machine just for LR....I was getting it anyway and it's a bonus that LR runs well.

                                                              • 1,709. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                                                areohbee Level 6

                                                                rpavich1234 - congrats.

                                                                bob frost wrote:

                                                                 

                                                                I think it is best cleared out now and again.

                                                                Note: prefs are the primary persistent storage for publishing services and other plugins. Take heed before clearing them out if you use such stuff.

                                                                 

                                                                Reminder: You can always rename prefs as a test (close Lightroom first) - if it doesn't improve anything, then rename it back (close Lightroom first).

                                                                 

                                                                R

                                                                • 1,710. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                                                  Darren88 Level 1

                                                                  Rob Cole wrote:

                                                                  Note: prefs are the primary persistent storage for publishing services and other plugins. Take heed before clearing them out if you use such stuff.


                                                                  I cleared my preferences and all I lost was things like the view options.

                                                                  All the important stuff, including publishing services, was in the catalogue.  I had to reinstall the plugins that the publishing services relied on but once I'd done that it was all working as it was before I cleared the preferences files.

                                                                  • 1,711. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                                                    areohbee Level 6

                                                                    Darren88 wrote:

                                                                     

                                                                    All the important stuff ... was in the catalogue...

                                                                    Losing prefs would cost me a few days, and so I would not delete them unless absolutely necessary. YMMV.

                                                                     

                                                                    But point well taken - much of the publishing service stuff is kept in the catalog (how much depends on the plugin).

                                                                     

                                                                    Worth noting however: *if* there is no corrupt data in them, they shouldn't affect Lr performance significantly, even if there is a lot of junk in there (ok, startup time a smidgeon, and yeah maybe consume a bit of ram, but otherwise..). It's kinda like the video support - it doesn't slow down photo editing, despite affecting startup time and ram consumption.

                                                                     

                                                                    Cheers,

                                                                    Rob

                                                                    • 1,712. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                                                      Darren88 Level 1

                                                                      Out of curiosity - what's the in the preferences files that would cause you to lose days?  Just for future reference incase I happen to end up using any of it.

                                                                      • 1,713. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                                                        areohbee Level 6

                                                                        I have a number of plugins that use prefs for bookeeping, sometimes just settings I've entered, but also some with a tidbit of info for every photo in the whole catalog. So, I would have to do some whole catalog updates to get back to where I was. - not a lot of man-hours, but a lot of computer-hours.

                                                                         

                                                                        FYI, if you want to clear preferences (and/or metadata, from the catalog) for plugins that you no longer plan to use, consider the Pretend plugin. - but be careful not to scrub data for plugins you are still using (or might use again in the future...).

                                                                         

                                                                        _prefs.gif

                                                                        ~9MB.

                                                                        R

                                                                        • 1,714. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                                                          ronda@gregoriophotography

                                                                          I just upgraded to Lightroom 4 last week and I am very unhappy with how slow it is running. What a pain! Should be great software but it is not :-( I waited this long for Lightroom 4 thinking the problem would have been solved, I was wrong! Lightroom 4 is annoying!

                                                                          • 1,715. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                                                            bob frost Level 3

                                                                            From: "Rob Cole

                                                                            Note: prefs are the primary persistent storage for publishing services and

                                                                            other plugins. Take heed before clearing them out if you use such stuff.

                                                                             

                                                                            Aah! I don't use plugins; LR seems to be 'delicate' enough without

                                                                            subjecting it to code that hasn't been QA tested. Perhaps one day Adobe

                                                                            could have an approval system for plugins? Like MS and drivers.

                                                                             

                                                                            So we do need a Prefs cleaner, to take the old rubbish out and just leave

                                                                            the wanted stuff.

                                                                             

                                                                            Bob Frost

                                                                            • 1,716. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                                                              bob frost Level 3

                                                                              From: "rpavich1234

                                                                              LR 4.3 runs pretty darn well on it.

                                                                               

                                                                              Join the club!! 

                                                                               

                                                                              Bob Frost

                                                                              • 1,717. Re: Experiencing performance related issues in Lightroom 4.x
                                                                                Victoria Bampton LR Queen Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                                It's now impossible to see the wood for the trees in this whopping 43-page long thread.  Many of the original 4.0-4.2 performance issues have since been resolved, and it's impossible to figure out who is still having problems, and what they can try.

                                                                                 

                                                                                I've started a nice clean thread to continue this discussion for 4.3 and later. http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1117506  Thanks to Bob_Peters for the suggestion.  I'm locking this one, otherwise it'll continue to get increasingly unweidly, but please feel free to continue existing discussions on the new thread.

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