6 Replies Latest reply: Dec 28, 2012 1:13 PM by Ian Lyons RSS

    Applying keywords to collapsed stacks has changed

    John R. Ellis CommunityMVP
    John R. Ellis Dec 27, 2012 7:38 PM

      Somewhere between LR 3.4 and LR 4.3, the behavior of applying a keyword to a collapsed stack changed.  It used to be that the keyword was applied only to the top photo; now it is applied to all the photos.  

       

      This behavior occurs only for adding keywords; if you delete keywords or change flag, label, date, caption, etc. it only applies to the top photo in the stack.

       

      Did I miss a feature announcement in the release notes?

       

      http://forums.adobe.com/message/3853365#3853365

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        • 1. Re: Applying keywords to collapsed stacks has changed
          vinsolo Community Member
          vinsolo Dec 27, 2012 7:44 PM (in response to John R. Ellis)

          good news, i think

          vince

          • 2. Re: Applying keywords to collapsed stacks has changed
            john beardsworth Community Member
            john beardsworth Dec 28, 2012 12:19 AM (in response to John R. Ellis)

            Sadly, I can't replicate it. Even if all items are selected before the stack is collapsed, only the top one gets the keyword.

             

            John

            • 3. Re: Applying keywords to collapsed stacks has changed
              John R. Ellis CommunityMVP
              John R. Ellis Dec 28, 2012 9:53 AM (in response to john beardsworth)

              In my LR 4.3, if I assign the keyword by dragging it to the thumbnail in grid view, it gets assigned to all photos in the collapsed stack.  But if I assign the keyword by typing it in the Keywording pane, it only gets assigned to the top photo.

              • 4. Re: Applying keywords to collapsed stacks has changed
                Ian Lyons CommunityMVP
                Ian Lyons Dec 28, 2012 10:19 AM (in response to John R. Ellis)

                It been the case for some considerible time that dragging a keyword and dropping it onto the image part of the thumbnail will result in the keyword being applied to all photos within the collapsed stack. This is cerrtainly the case as far back as Mac version of Lr3.2 but I rcall it dating back even further, but not how far back beyond that. That being said, I'm fairly sure that the ability to do this went in as part of the Lr3 beta work associated with improving the collapsing/opening of stacks using keyboard modifiers. John B should remember this as we locked horns on exact behaviour.

                • 5. Re: Applying keywords to collapsed stacks has changed
                  John R. Ellis CommunityMVP
                  John R. Ellis Dec 28, 2012 12:04 PM (in response to Ian Lyons)

                  This is cerrtainly the case as far back as Mac version of Lr3.2 but I rcall it dating back even further, but not how far back beyond that.

                  Interesting -- I searched the forums for various combinations of "stack top keyword tag drag" and saw dozens of messages about keywords only applying to the top of the stack, but didn't find any mentioning the inconsistent behavior of dragging.

                   

                  Any ideas about the inconsistency?  If by design, what's the rationale?

                  • 6. Re: Applying keywords to collapsed stacks has changed
                    Ian Lyons CommunityMVP
                    Ian Lyons Dec 28, 2012 1:13 PM (in response to John R. Ellis)

                    John R. Ellis wrote:

                     

                    This is cerrtainly the case as far back as Mac version of Lr3.2 but I rcall it dating back even further, but not how far back beyond that.

                    Interesting -- I searched the forums for various combinations of "stack top keyword tag drag" and saw dozens of messages about keywords only applying to the top of the stack, but didn't find any mentioning the inconsistent behavior of dragging.

                     

                     

                    I don't believe the inclusion of this specific behaviour was discussed in the public or pre release forums. I suspect very few users, including the majority of pre release testers, were aware of it. It's not documented anywhere that I know of, but I expect that will now change...

                     

                    John R. Ellis wrote:

                     

                    Any ideas about the inconsistency?  If by design, what's the rationale?

                     

                    Since the behaviour was never discussed I can only guess as to why the ability to drag and drop keywords works as it does and applying the keywords via the panel doesn't. Anyway, I don't view it as an inconsistency, especially since dragging keywords from the keyword panel on to a thumbnail isn't the most obvious method to begin with. For the majority of users having the ability to auto select on expanding a stack (i.e. double click stack badge or shift+click the badge) then applying the keyword via the panel is a much safer approach.