4 Replies Latest reply on Aug 6, 2014 10:21 AM by MadnessAbounds

    Universal Counting Leader

    stynkrbelle Level 1

      I am finishing the edit on a film and the final mix sound editor is asking for me to include the universal counting leader and to have the timecode for the movie to start at 00:00.  This means all the upfront counting leader timecode needs to start before 00:00. The counting leader is 11 seconds in length. How can I accomplish this?

        • 1. Re: Universal Counting Leader
          Jim_Simon Level 9

          You can't.  Timecode can't go below zero.

          • 2. Re: Universal Counting Leader
            Ann Bens Adobe Community Professional & MVP

            Instead of making the movie start at 0 you can let it start at 1 hour if that is not a problem

            Start Time would be:

            • 3. Re: Universal Counting Leader
              shooternz Level 6

              Should not make a jot of difference to the audio engineer what TC the Program starts at but ask him why maybe.


              Generally we use 00:01:30:00 for Program Start and the SMPTE leader precedes this if we use one at all.  ( More out of habit than neccesity)


              FWIW: Countdown Leaders dont play as big a part  in digital media as much as they did in analogue and tape deck days.

              • 4. Re: Universal Counting Leader
                MadnessAbounds Level 1

                It is standard procedure to have the first frame of action start at hour 1 (01:00:00:00)  This helps the post production folks especially when passing an OMF which may contain items that happen before the first frame of the film (IE if you start your film at 00:00:00:00 and you put an Academy/SMPTE leader in front of it, the leader will occur in negative timecode and the software will quite often have trouble figuring out where to place it). I've have to assume that shooternz does not pass audio to post houses for work. The Universal Leader/countdown provides the starting sync pop (2-pop) with matching flash frame 2 seconds prior to the start of the film.  Who ever heard of a film starting at 00:01:30:00  It's best to stick to standards (that's why they're standards!)