26 Replies Latest reply: Aug 19, 2014 11:51 AM by peacecorpsvideo RSS

    using Prelude as simple DAM

    Alexander Feldmann Community Member

      Hi,

      I wanted to check if it is possible to use Prelude as a simple Digital Asset Management system.

      We keep all of our older raw footage on offline hard drives (mostly red carpet interviews). I am looking for a simple solution where I can import basic file infos into a database, add some metadata to it (which event location, names of people in video, which hard disc, ...).

      I understand from the previous post that Prelude only searches the currently open project, but does that mean that all assets have to be on-line as well? Or can I simply add all footage to the same project (which I would only use to search for files) and then search for, lets say, a name, and Prelude lists all footage where the meta-data includes this name and I know which harddisc to pull and find the file on?

       

      I have researched several specialized DAM solutions, but most are optimized for images and do not support video well. That ones that are out there for video assume that you need your content accessible 24/7 and are optimized for that. So maybe Prelude would offer a work-around?

       

      Thank you!

        • 1. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
          ExactImage Community Member

          This is not what Prelude is inteded for and it's not going to do what you need any more than the likes of Lightroom.

          • 2. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
            KqK2 Community Member

            I don't think your proposed work-around of a master 'search-only' project will work.

             

            From the manual: "The added metadata are captured in an XMP file. For some formats such as QuickTime (.mov) the XMP information is written into the media file. For formats that don't support writing to the media file, like MXF, the XMP is written into a sidecar file. The sidecar file is stored at the same location as the media file."

             

            So if your media is off-line, so is the metadata, and so it can't be searched.

             

            (To a Lightroom user, Prelude looks like it's missing a panel...the one that shows you a library of poster-frames of offline clips and subclips, let's you search and edit the metadata, etc.) 

            • 3. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
              moshj

              I've ordered the software, but not yet received it, so please excuse me if I ask an obvious question or two.

               

              It seems the "search only" option might work if your media was stored on a server that was always available.  Or, is it possible to save the metadata in a different location.  I thought that one of the demos indicated that you could.  If you could save the metadata in a location other than the sidecar, that might make it available all the time even if your drives were not always attached. Of course, you would not have a preview.

               

              Asset management is a problem I face.  Anyone see other limitations that might prevent this type of use in Prelude?  I could imagine the interface getting difficult to navigate if you had lots of folders in a  "search only" project.  Also, does a metadata search examine all the folders in a project for each search automatically, or do you have to select folders?

               

              Perhaps a database option is one we should request from Adobe, though I'm not sure it is not already there...

              • 4. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
                Gallixsee

                This is what I was really hoping to use Prelude for as well, and this is the first thread I have found speaking specifically about the lack of this option.  I thought that perhaps I could create a master search only project as well, but my husband said that after a while it would probably get really bogged down and messy.  What I really don't understand is why they built a perfectly lovely piece of DAM software and then completely handicapped the user from being able to use it as a Database!  I can't understand what the point of entering all that metadata is when the only way to use it is from within Prelude with the correct project file open.  I guess it would work for a commercial post house which only captures and works with one project at a time.  You can't even search the metadata from within Premiere.  It makes no sense to me.

                 

                I work for a small natural products company.  I shoot and edit flower videos on Panasonic P2 cards, and after two years I have built an extensive collection- around 500 GB and nearly 4,000 .mxf files.  The problem is, I have been archiving the video in folders by date on my local drive, and on any given date I may shoot 20 different flowers.  I want to be able to search for, say, Sunflower when I want to make a sunflower video, and have all the clips that I have tagged with Sunflower over the years come up.  Otherwise I spend half a day slogging through tiny thumbnails in Premiere's Media Browser looking for every instance of Sunflower in our archives.  I have looked into CatDV but to be honest it is a lot more than we need.  This seems like it would be a fairly common request for video creators, though I have been unable to find anything that is simple but powerful enough to be able to do this, despite my Video software developer husband and I searching high and low.  I would LOVE any suggestions from all of you seasoned pros here.  Perhaps I should submit a feature request?!

                • 5. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
                  michaelgoshey Adobe Employee

                  Hi Everyone -

                   

                  This is a good thread. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on how you'd like to have access to ALL of your metadata regardless of which clips are currently in your Project Panel. This is something we've been thinking about and considering on the product team as well. I'd like to answer a few of the open questions from this thread first and then pose a few questions to all of you to reply to if you would.

                   

                  Firstly, you can create a "Master Project" and store all of your assets in there. Like the post above from moshj, your media would need to be available (online) in order to perform the search. When you open a project Prelude will look for and load the metadata associated with all the clips in the project, and keep that in memory. This is how we can perform the search capabilities in the Project Panel so quickly (we don't need to read the metadata from every clip every time you perform a search). But this also means that your clips must be available at project open time. Clearly this may not be a viable solution for many of you.

                   

                  Secondly, Gallixsee brings up a great point and question about what good is adding all this metadata for if you can't use it in Premiere (since Premiere Pro CS6 does not provide a search mechanism for marker data). Ya, this is a hole in the overall metadata workflow between the apps, and we are addressing it.  There is some value in the workflow (although I do admit having Marker Search ability is a key missing point), in that your markers added in Prelude do appear in Premiere Pro. So we kind of got half the workflow there in CS6 and are working on the other half.

                   

                  And finally, using a 'Master Project' is possible, but keep in mind as the number of assets in your project grows, the project load time will also increase. If you start adding tens of thousands of clips into your project you may begin to notice longer project load times. This may or may not be an issue for you but is something I wanted to call out. Our Project load code is highly optimized for quick loading times. We use caching and other cool tricks to be as fast as possible, but there are certainly upper limits where you will start to notice bottlenecks in load times due to the amount of file access and disk access we are doing under the hood.

                   

                  Now for a few questions for all of you. When you think about a DAM as part of Prelude I'm curious to understand what key features you'd like to see there. For example, if Prelude were to simply remember every asset and all associated metadata for each asset into a database and make is searchable, is that sufficient? Would you need to share this database with others? What would you expect when your media is archived or moved offline - should Prelude know about that somehow? Would you like to have archival/backup features as part of Prelude that update the DAM properties as well (maybe with labels for whatever drive or LTO you've put your media on)? What other features would you consider critical to your workflows? Any features feel like 'must haves' related to cloud workflows?

                   

                  Thanks in advance for any/all input here.

                   

                  Regards,

                  Michael

                  • 6. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
                    moshj Community Member

                    Michael,

                    Thank you for addressing our questions.   Due to my internal purchasing

                    process, I still haven't received my copy of Prelude, but I'll try to

                    answer your queries as best I can.

                     

                    When you think about a DAM as part of Prelude I'm curious to understand

                    what key features you'd like to see there. For example, if Prelude were to

                    simply remember every asset and all associated metadata for each asset

                    into a database and make is searchable, is that sufficient?    Yes and no.

                    Yes, if this would help to reduce load time.  No, if it means not seeing

                    the clips.  We need to see the clips because, for us, such a database

                    could easily reach tens-of-thousands of clips and we can't remember them

                    all.  I work in government, where we have multiple producers creating

                    assets, and are required to keep media because they are considered public

                    documents.

                    The speed issue might be helped if you could select when to turn on clip

                    loading or viewing.  I would think that loading metadata would be faster

                    than loading media, so what if you could tell the system to load all the

                    metadata from a library before doing a basic search on it.  Then, based on

                    the clips that are selected, switch to view mode for just those clips in

                    order to refine the search.  The feature should be switchable, because

                    when loading media into the system for the first time, you might want to

                    start by viewing clips and metadata.

                    An additional feature I would like to see is for Prelude and Premiere to

                    work together in the opposite direction from what you addressed in your

                    email.  For example, if you could add notes or markers in Premiere that

                    would automatically update the metadata of the original clip.  Or, perhaps

                    Prelude could track when clips are used by automatically adding a metadata

                    field to the original clip that included date and the project name where

                    it was used.  The more automation here, the better.

                    Also, since we are generating file based masters of our completed

                    programs, it would be nice for Media Encoder and Prelude to interact so

                    that we can add appropriate metadata and track which masters are stored on

                    the server.

                     

                    Would you need to share this database with others?  Yes, internally.

                     

                    What would you expect when your media is archived or moved offline -

                    should Prelude know about that somehow?   Yes, we would need to track the

                    location.  It would also be helpful to have a low-res thumbnail available

                    for offline clips.

                     

                    Would you like to have archival/backup features as part of Prelude that

                    update the DAM properties as well (maybe with labels for whatever drive or

                    LTO you've put your media on)?   YES!  This approach would be a nice

                    solution to the previous question.  Also, Don't forget off-loading media

                    to blue-ray.  There are very robust devices which are network enabled and

                    can generate blue-ray disks. For example, the Rimage products can create

                    data, or playable disks with printed labels for either archive or finished

                    products.  Here is another point where connectivity could be applied if a

                    program was being sent to Encore.

                     

                    What other features would you consider critical to your workflows?   The

                    items we feel are most critical are viewable clips, and searchable

                    metadata.

                    It would be nice if Prelude could search a "Master Project" and send

                    selected files to another project, so that you could return to the "Master

                    Project" and do additional searches.  In addition, the ability to append

                    projects might be useful.

                    Also, for a "Master Project," it might be smart to be able to designate it

                    as "write only" from the start, in order to protect it against accidental

                    erasure.  If you do that, please include an auto spell check prior to

                    saving any individual entry.

                     

                    Any features feel like 'must haves' related to cloud workflows?  No, I

                    think of the cloud as another archival or backup location, perhaps because

                    we do not use it.  Our IT manager considers it too expensive at this time.

                    If there is functionality that I am unaware of, I'd be interested in

                    learning what it is.

                     

                    Feel free to ask additional questions.  Also, if you are willing I may

                    send some to you when I start working with the program.

                     

                    Thanks,

                            .jhm

                     

                    Jeff Moshier

                    Executive Producer - CITV

                    City of Richardson

                    972-744-4027

                    jeff.moshier@cor.gov

                    • 7. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
                      KqK2 Community Member

                      Michael,

                       

                      Thanks for recognizing and asking about our needs.

                       

                      I'm not working in a video post-house. A bit like Gallixsee, I'm collecting, sifting through and indexing the contents of clips in order to discover projects. The closest thing I've found to meet my needs are video annotation tools (e.g. Anvil) used by behavioral researchers. Conceptually they're great, but they're obviously not geared towards production work. As a result, I'm currently using Excel (yikes!) on a 2nd monitor as I scrub through my footage.

                       

                      Here's a quick list of key features, some of which might already be supported (I've not upgraded to CS6):

                       

                      • a database of metadata for your entire media archive, that remains searchable and editable regardless of the media's online status. (Adobe Lightroom calls this a 'catalog' that's viewable in the 'library' panel. A common termonology between applications would be helpful.)
                      • optional metadata synching, controlling whether or not metadata is written to any clips or sidecars, or is updated for offline clips once they come back online (I'd like for the clips to remain untouched)
                      • the library view should be configurable to show your "entire catalog", or to show more limited views such as "media in currently opened project", "media currently online", etc.
                      • smart bins that dynamically collect clips matching a user-defined set of keywords. I'd hope that clips and bins pulled together in Prelude could be exported as a Premiere 'starter' project.
                      • thumbnails/poster-frames should be assignable for all clips, subclips and ranges. These would be retained in the catalog, just as Lightroom keeps preview versions of offline photos. Not as robust as full-length proxies for offline clips, but enough to continue working with the metadata, at least in a limited capacity (Maybe proxies could be generated on a per-clip basis?)
                      • heirarchical keywording: tagging a clip with 'robin' would automatically tag the clip with 'bird', assuming the user has set up 'robin' as a child of 'bird'
                      • export options for metadata, e.g. tab-delimited, Excel, etc.

                       

                      By the way, the visual approach of Prelude is fantastic, and cleanly addresses the most difficult funtional needs. Which is why these last missing bits are all the more frustrating. Thanks again, and good luck.

                      • 8. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
                        x_axis Community Member

                        I am confused. I thought prelude would tag, rate and meta-data my movie clips. I wanted to be able to search my clips by location, persons interviewed, quality of shot, etc. But it sounds like Prelude doesn't do that. Is it just an easy way to make rough cuts?

                         

                        Can we just use bridge (via Pr) and label the clips that way?

                        • 9. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
                          PixelshotWDC

                          Michael, perhaps this reply is a bit late but hopefully still useful.

                           

                          Recently I started to use Prelude with great anticipation, hoping that it would also solve one of my main problems as a freelance video producer - that of needing a catalog of ALL of my video files, including metadata. Prelude has a nice interface and shows great potential (I am especially attracted to the ability to review clips and easily add range markers) but is missing some basic features for me.

                           

                          The closest solution to what I need seems to be CatDV. However, aside from the price (over $600 with plugins!) there are some serious drawbacks. Among other problems, it's very buggy and more complicated than needed, making it very difficult (and cost prohibitive) to incorporate an assistant editor for logging.

                           

                          If Prelude were to incorporate some key DAM features, it could replace CatDV for me, and improve upon it. Here are some basic features that I would want:

                           

                          - Ability to catalog ALL clips in one catalog, regardless of project, online or offline, and remember all metadata (searchable).

                          - Smart folders of clip catalog so that I could browse by date, project, keyword, etc (very much like Lightroom)

                          - Ability to export a spreadsheet of selected clips (including thumbnails!), including an ability to see a list of markers (for "paper edits" of large projects)

                          - Thumbnails of each clip, online or offline

                          - Inclusion of separately-recorded audio-only files in the catalog

                          - Ability to create sub-catalogs as needed (such as "2012 Catalog," "2013 Catalog," etc, like Lightroom)

                          - Work seamlessly with Premiere Pro for metadata (Description, Log Notes, etc); using standard metadata fields (think FCP7). Custom metadata would also be great.

                          - Ability to create low-res proxy clips for local storage (not the most important feature for me, but would be useful)

                          - Could have an "active" project to allow for things like integration with open Premiere projects

                          - all current Prelude features (especially the support for multiple camera formats, like Sony XDCAM EX)

                           

                          most of these above features are available in CatDV but the main problem is that I can't use CatDV AND Prelude since there is no way to flow data from CatDV to Prelude and on to Premiere (and back). So, currently for logging, I have to use EITHER CatDV (and lose the great logging capabilities of Prelude) OR Prelude (and lose the ability to refer to that catalog for later projects). A painful decision.

                           

                          I know several freelance and small editing shops which would love these features.

                           

                          And no, Lightroom is not good enough for this. I use Lightroom for all of my photos and love it. I find the video capabilities mediocre at best. I want a specialized solution which connects with Premiere.

                          • 10. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
                            michaelgoshey Adobe Employee

                            Hi PixelshotWDC -

                             

                            It is never too late. :-)  Thank you for your post. I like the suggestions you have listed here. We are currently designing our set of top features for the next release and I have been scrubbing this particular page quite thoroughly - your additions are great.

                             

                            A few bullet items from your list are currently supported in Prelude CS6. However it seems those features are not easily discovered. Here are some that currently exist - if you could let me know if you have success finding/using them I would appreciate it:

                             

                            1. "Work seamlessly with Premiere Pro for metadata (Description, Log Notes, etc); using standard metadata fields (think FCP7). Custom metadata would also be great."

                            --> Adobe applications use XMP (an open standard Metadata format - XML based) to communicate/share metadata. There are existing sets of metadata (schema's) that ship in Prelude and Premiere Pro. If you open the 'Metadata' Panel in both apps they will contain the same sets of information. Anything you add to one will appear in the other for the same clip.  You can even create your own custom schema from that Panel - click the flyout menu button on the top right corner and select "Metadata Display...". This will bring up a dialog where you can control which schemas will be visible in your metadata panel and also let you create your own custom schema (click the "New Schema..." button). Let me know how this works for you. We are currently working on a smoother model for creating customer metadata, but for CS6 this is what is available and should flow directly into Premiere Pro.

                             

                            2. "Ability to create low-res proxy clips for local storage"

                              --> You can do this today in Prelude CS6. From the Ingest Dialog simply add an additional destination (button at the bottom of the 'Transfer Options" panel on the far right of the dialog. For each destination you can select transcoding options. If you create a new destination and enable transcoding and choose h.264 for example, you will get your low-res proxy format for each clip you ingest. Does this work for you or are you looking for something different?

                             

                            3. Your concept of "Active Project" with Premiere Pro is interesting. Do you mean an active link between a running Premiere Pro project and the running Prelude project? What you do to one you see in the other? Almost like a shared live project?  Interesting concept.

                             

                            Thanks again for your input! Please keep the good suggestions coming!

                             

                            Regards,

                            Michael

                            • 11. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
                              michaelgoshey Adobe Employee

                              Hi x_axis,

                               

                              Prelude does let you tag, rate, log your clips. All of the metadata you add for each clip is stored either embedded in your asset or as a sidecar file (depends on the media format you are using). When these clips are in a project you can search for any metadata field or tag and Prelude will show you the proper results.

                               

                              Perhaps what is confusing is the notion of clips in the project vs clips previously logged but in different projects. In CS6, Prelude can search only those clips currently in the open project. It does not search across projects.  The various posts here on this page (and the reason for my questions on the subject) is to see how Prelude can evolve into more of a DAM type of solution that can track and search assets across any project or location. Basically, if the asset has been loaded and tagged/logged in Prelude at least once, then Prelude should keep track of that asset and its metadata and let you search and find it (regardless of which project the asset is in).

                               

                              Adobe Bridge can search and find some of the metadata you can create in Prelude. But it will not find the temporal metadata (markers).

                               

                              Let me know if you have any further questions.

                               

                              Thanks -

                              Michael

                              • 12. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
                                michaelgoshey Adobe Employee

                                Hi KqK2,

                                 

                                Thanks for the post and the good feature ideas.  I appreciate your bravery in using Excel to track your content. :-)  My goal is to help evolve Prelude to the point where that will no longer be required - with your help of course.

                                 

                                I have a few questions for you on some of your suggestions:

                                 

                                1. Optional Metadata Syncing

                                  --> Can you elaborate on how this would work for me. Currently we always sync metadata to the clip you have open. But it sounds like you might want to control when this happens?

                                 

                                2. Smart Bins

                                  --> I like this concept. Would this mean that if you tag a clip with "bird" it could automatically go into an 'Animal' BIN if that is how you set up your rules?  And how would you like to see the "rules" UI in the app - what would be the key aspects you'd need to create the proper assignments, etc? I'm assuming you have a method in your spreadsheets and hope it might be something we can leverage in a simpler way in the UI for Prelude.

                                 

                                3. Hierarchical Keywording

                                  --> Interesting. I guess this would also help with Smart Bins, right?  At least it seems like if you were to set up your hierarchy for tags it could be used to help populate the various Smart Bins you would want. Am I on the right track here?

                                 

                                Thanks again for your ideas!!!

                                 

                                Regards,

                                Michael

                                • 13. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
                                  PixelshotWDC2 Community Member

                                  Michael, thank you for your quick reply. Here are my responses (I had to change my membership name to PixelshotWDC2 to match my CS6 Cloud account) :

                                   

                                  to your point #1(metadata syncing) - I am aware of the metadata syncing, which I think is a great feature. However, there is one gaping problem for me: In Premiere, the default setup puts some basic metadata items front and center - "Scene" "Description" "Comment" and "Log Note," which inexplicably don't appear in Prelude anywhere that I can find. Yes, I can make a workaround, but these fields map to the Final Cut Pro 7 fields of the same name (in the metadata) so I would much prefer to use the ones that Premiere provides since many of my old projects will be imported from FCP7 and will use those very fields. Further, the workaround (using another field and passing the Comments, Description, Log Note, etc through the other field) means that I am relegated to using a metadata field in Premiere that is in a gray box, rather than the smooth non-boxed interface for the default fields making it much harder to scan with the eye to find a specific comment.

                                   

                                  to your point #2 (low-res proxy files) - I did not think of that as a workaround since I assumed that they would become the default video asset. So, if it works as you suggest, then that is sufficient for me.

                                   

                                  to your point #3 ("active project") - my reason for listing that item is to suggest that in my workflow there can be a distinction between an active project and all the other non-active projects to facilitate the fast syncing with Premiere (if that is a necessary technicality). I like the ability to pop back and forth between "companion" Prelude and Premiere projects, if for no other reason than to take advantage of the logging strengths that Prelude provides. And, that Prelude will reflect whatever metadata changes I make in Premiere.  I can also forsee a time where an assistant editor could be working on Prelude while I am trim-editing in Premiere ("shared live" project). However, I admit that that would be a rare occasion. More likely, the logging and editing would happen separately at different times (although possibly overlapping), but the metadata would still need to be kept in sync.

                                  • 14. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
                                    michaelgoshey Adobe Employee

                                    Thank you for the clarifications!

                                     

                                    So for the metadata syncing you'd like these fields front and center in the project panel just like Pr and FCP. Gotcha! That makes sense.

                                     

                                    Cheers -

                                    Michael

                                    • 15. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
                                      PixelshotWDC2 Community Member

                                      Yes. Am I correct in the fact that those basic fields - Scene, Description, Comment, Log Note - which are prominent in Premiere (and FCP) are not included in Prelude anywhere? (I hope that I'm just missing something)

                                       

                                      Thanks.

                                      • 16. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
                                        michaelgoshey Adobe Employee

                                        The metadata fields shown in Premiere come from XMP. Prelude also has these same fields within the Metadata Panel.

                                         

                                        Scene -->  In the "Dynamic Media" schema

                                        Description --> In the "Dublin Core" schema

                                        Comment --> In the "Dynamic Media" schema

                                        Log Comment -->In the "Dynamic Media" schema

                                         

                                        You can use the Metadata Panel in Prelude and filter out all the noise (extra fields) and just show these if you wish. Any values you put into these fields should automatically appear in the Premiere Pro project panel fields.

                                         

                                        I'll try to post a screen shot of the Metadata panel from Prelude that has been adjusted to show just the fields you mention below.

                                         

                                        Thanks -

                                        Michael

                                        • 18. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
                                          PixelshotWDC2 Community Member

                                          Michael, Those fields you pointed out are NOT the same fields as the ones used front-and-center for the default Premiere setup. The fields I'm talking about are found (in Premiere) under the main "clip" panel as well as the main logging interface. They correspond to the same-named fields in the "Premiere Pro Project Metadata" grouping, not the ones you note above.

                                           

                                          Here are screen shots from Premiere:

                                          Screen-Shot-2013-02-09-at-4.27.00-PMed.png

                                          and the corresponding fields in the metadata selection dialogue:

                                          Screen-Shot-2013-02-09-at-4.28.16-PMed.png

                                           

                                          In hours of hunting, I can not find the corresponding values in Prelude even though it seems that everything else is included and that those are precisely the ones I need the most (especially because of the FCP mapping). NOTE also that the workaround you suggest uses the gray box, rather than the black background, when you add them to the metadata columns, making it less pleasing to the eye and not easy to scan. Also, in my tests, corresponding metadata from projects that are imported from FCP7 will fall into the categories I've circled above.

                                           

                                          thanks.

                                          • 19. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
                                            michaelgoshey Adobe Employee

                                            I see - thanks. Let me ping my buddies on the Premiere team and see what's up there. From what I understand, the fields under the Premiere Pro Project Metadata are linked (or can be) to the fields I show in my screen shot. I'll get back with you shortly on that.  But since the metadata schema you show is for the Premiere Pro Project itself, Prelude does not have direct access to it and it is not part of XMP (shareable metadata standard) but rather private to Premiere Pro's use.

                                             

                                            I'll be in touch soon. Thanks again!

                                             

                                            Michael

                                            • 20. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
                                              PixelshotWDC2 Community Member

                                              this is the same issue I inquired about earlier today in this post:

                                              http://forums.adobe.com/message/5060177#5060177

                                              • 21. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
                                                PixelshotWDC2 Community Member

                                                Michael, Note that the fields are the ones that map directly to Final Cut (and also CatDV). It would make sense to me in the little information that I have that Prelude could access those fields as well.

                                                 

                                                here is an example of an imported project using an XML file. Note the circled metadata was entered in Final Cut:

                                                 

                                                Screen-Shot-2013-02-09-at-5.05.57-PMed.png

                                                • 22. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
                                                  matthewrichie88 Community Member

                                                  Hi Michael,

                                                  What prelude-created metadata can be searched in bridge?

                                                  We use a lot of footage multiple times, so it would be nice to create metadata such as location, person, camera, client, etc. then a year later search for a specific clip using the metadata we tag it with. Is this possible using a combination of prelude and bridge?

                                                  • 23. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
                                                    michaelgoshey Adobe Employee

                                                    Hi -

                                                     

                                                    Prelude stores all metadata in XMP. Bridge supports XMP so should have access to all of the metadata created in Prelude. I am not familiar with how Bridge deals with temporal metadata so I should check into that. But if they do parse the temporal metadata (markers) then you should be good to go. If Bridge doesn't yet support temporal metadata I will work with them to see if we can get that added into their solution as well.

                                                     

                                                    Thanks!

                                                    Michael

                                                    • 24. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
                                                      MonkeyEatsMonkey Community Member

                                                      It looks like Bridge is still not supporting temporal metadata.  It would be such a huge improvement for video editors to get the Bridge team on board with this.  Would it help if we started submitting this as a feature request?

                                                      • 25. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
                                                        michaelgoshey Adobe Employee

                                                        Absolutely!!!  (On Bridge's Forum)

                                                         

                                                        Thank you!

                                                         

                                                        Michael

                                                        • 26. Re: using Prelude as simple DAM
                                                          peacecorpsvideo

                                                          Hello Michael et. al.,

                                                           

                                                          I am in a similar situation to several of the posters here, although apparently several years late!  I have been asked to set up a simple DAM system at my agency (small-ish government agency) and have been reading this thread with great interest.  Prelude fits really well with our software usage here (CS6, switching over to CC in the coming months). I have not had the opportunity to download CC to explore what Prelude looks like in that version - buit have seen above a lot of great requests for metadata improvements from CS6, and am wondering if you (or anyone) can give an update on whether any of these features have been implemented, or if there are plans to do so.  As for others, the ability to use Prelude to search metadata including for offline clips would be a huge plus and will probably be the biggest factor in deciding whether to use or not.

                                                           

                                                          Appreciate all the involvement and attention to feedback!

                                                           

                                                          Cheers,

                                                           

                                                          Jesse