6 Replies Latest reply: Jul 24, 2008 12:44 PM by Newsgroup_User RSS

    Design view breaks layout

    jaymcdonald Community Member
      I have a simple 3 column layout inside a wrapper div where my source order is #content/#sidebar1/#sidebar2, and I am using a negative margin on #sidebar1 to pull it over so the display order is #sidebar1/#content/#sidebar2. It works great in the browser, but #sidebar1 disappears in Dreamweaver. Any experience with this?
        • 1. Re: Design view breaks layout
          Newsgroup_User Community Member
          jaymcdonald wrote:
          > I have a simple 3 column layout inside a wrapper div where my source order is
          > #content/#sidebar1/#sidebar2, and I am using a negative margin on #sidebar1 to
          > pull it over so the display order is #sidebar1/#content/#sidebar2. It works
          > great in the browser, but #sidebar1 disappears in Dreamweaver. Any experience
          > with this?
          >

          Why are you using the <divs> in that order....search spider?

          It's simpler just to have

          #sidebar 1
          #content
          #sidebar2

          Then float all three left.

          Dreamweaver design view has never been and is still not 100% accurate
          and using negative margins won't help.

          • 2. Re: Design view breaks layout
            jaymcdonald Community Member
            Yes, the source order is for SEO. I know I could just re-arrange the source order, but that would defeat why I did it in the first place. It seems silly to have to break that just because Dreamweaver is confused by it. Why can't it just show it properly?

            I've noticed on occasion that a dreamweaver display bug like this is overcomeable with a little extra css. Anyone have an idea here?
            • 3. Re: Design view breaks layout
              Newsgroup_User Community Member
              It's called the Holy Grail template. And you're right, it doesn't render
              well in Design View. Hit F4 to resize the viewable pane. Or just work in
              code view, and keep your browser opened. After making changes, save the
              page then refresh browser to view your progress.


              --Nancy O.
              Alt-Web Design & Publishing
              www.alt-web.com

              "jaymcdonald" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
              news:g6ac4q$n97$1@forums.macromedia.com...
              > I have a simple 3 column layout inside a wrapper div where my source order
              is
              > #content/#sidebar1/#sidebar2, and I am using a negative margin on
              #sidebar1 to
              > pull it over so the display order is #sidebar1/#content/#sidebar2. It
              works
              > great in the browser, but #sidebar1 disappears in Dreamweaver. Any
              experience
              > with this?
              >


              • 4. Re: Design view breaks layout
                Newsgroup_User Community Member
                .oO(jaymcdonald)

                >Yes, the source order is for SEO.

                And? Any evidence that it works?

                >I know I could just re-arrange the source
                >order, but that would defeat why I did it in the first place. It seems silly to
                >have to break that just because Dreamweaver is confused by it. Why can't it
                >just show it properly?

                To me it seems to be silly to use an illogical markup order just for
                questionable SEO reasons, even though it's not that bad in this
                particular case. Content first is a quite common structure, but not a
                necessity.

                On my own sites the navigation lists usually come first for technical
                reasons - no problems with that. There's enough useful content further
                down the pages and enough food for the SE spiders. A good SE ranking is
                not a question of "markup order", but of patience, appropriate markup,
                patience, usable content and patience.

                Keep the markup in a logical order and try to avoid hacks like negative
                margins (yes, it's just a hack in most cases). Make sure that it works
                even with CSS disabled. Focus on usability and accessibility. Make your
                site userfriendly! This will also almost automatically make the site SE-
                friendly, because an SE bot is nothing else than a user. A blind user.

                Micha
                • 5. Re: Design view breaks layout
                  Newsgroup_User Community Member
                  My feeling is that in the list of things that affect SEO, this one would be
                  so far down, it's not worth the additional effort. Let me state it this
                  way - if you have done all of the things that would fall above it, then I
                  guess you will see zero impact of this on your page's rank.

                  --
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                  Adobe Community Expert
                  (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!)
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                  "Michael Fesser" <netizen@gmx.de> wrote in message
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                  > .oO(jaymcdonald)
                  >
                  >>Yes, the source order is for SEO.
                  >
                  > And? Any evidence that it works?
                  >
                  >>I know I could just re-arrange the source
                  >>order, but that would defeat why I did it in the first place. It seems
                  >>silly to
                  >>have to break that just because Dreamweaver is confused by it. Why can't
                  >>it
                  >>just show it properly?
                  >
                  > To me it seems to be silly to use an illogical markup order just for
                  > questionable SEO reasons, even though it's not that bad in this
                  > particular case. Content first is a quite common structure, but not a
                  > necessity.
                  >
                  > On my own sites the navigation lists usually come first for technical
                  > reasons - no problems with that. There's enough useful content further
                  > down the pages and enough food for the SE spiders. A good SE ranking is
                  > not a question of "markup order", but of patience, appropriate markup,
                  > patience, usable content and patience.
                  >
                  > Keep the markup in a logical order and try to avoid hacks like negative
                  > margins (yes, it's just a hack in most cases). Make sure that it works
                  > even with CSS disabled. Focus on usability and accessibility. Make your
                  > site userfriendly! This will also almost automatically make the site SE-
                  > friendly, because an SE bot is nothing else than a user. A blind user.
                  >
                  > Micha

                  • 6. Re: Design view breaks layout
                    Newsgroup_User Community Member
                    .oO(Murray *ACE*)

                    >My feeling is that in the list of things that affect SEO, this one would be
                    >so far down, it's not worth the additional effort. Let me state it this
                    >way - if you have done all of the things that would fall above it, then I
                    >guess you will see zero impact of this on your page's rank.

                    Yep, something like that. Other things are much more important.

                    Micha