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1. Re: Using Filters tab in AME
Todd_Kopriva Apr 2, 2013 7:37 AM (in response to CoralVision)The reason for having a blur as a pre-encoding step is that the removal/smoothing of very fine detail (like noise and grain) can greatly improve the efficiency of the compression. This has nothing to do with the aesthetic appearance of the movie. If you need to add effects for creative purposes, you do that in After Effects or Premiere Pro.
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2. Re: Using Filters tab in AME
CoralVision Apr 2, 2013 8:07 AM (in response to Todd_Kopriva)Right on, Todd, and thanks for the response.
I understand that artifacts such as the noise that comes from high ISO or gain settings can greatly increase both encoding time and resulting file size. Can can you (or others on this forum) suggest a setting to start experimenting with this effect?
And what about down-sampling video - I shoot and finish my shows in 1080p but then downsample to several target sizes - can the gaussian blur in AME make that process more efficiant or improve the resulting image quality (e.g. reduce aliasing and/or moire that might not be present in the original)?
And to my original question, can I take it that your answer is "no - there is not at this time any way to add other filters (such as a "broadcast safe whites") to this tab in order to conform different outputs to meet divergent technical standards."
Again thanks for the response!
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3. Re: Using Filters tab in AME
Todd_Kopriva Apr 3, 2013 2:23 PM (in response to CoralVision)> Can can you (or others on this forum) suggest a setting to start experimenting with this effect?
Start very low and only increase as necessary.
> And what about down-sampling video - I shoot and finish my shows in 1080p but then downsample to several target sizes - can the gaussian blur in AME make that process more efficiant or improve the resulting image quality (e.g. reduce aliasing and/or moire that might not be present in the original)?
No, I don't think that it's a good idea to try to use this blur that way. Again, this is not about anything other than pre-blurring before encoding to make compression more efficient. Anything that has to do with improving visual quality should be done in After Effects or Premiere Pro.
No, there is no way to extend this part of AME.
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4. Re: Using Filters tab in AME
TeamScottSmith Apr 17, 2013 9:04 PM (in response to Todd_Kopriva)But there are other reasons to have more flexibility and a variety of filters in AME.
A Timcode Burn in filter would be nice.
A Watermark Filter would be nice.
A Broadcast safe filter would be nice.
Some simple, quick, color correction.
Color filters (like sepiatone).
These are things that belong in an exporter/encoder. Sometimes, having to create a Premiere project file, create a Sequence, adjust and double-check all of your settings, import video, and put it on the timeline, just to add a watermark, then export through AME is extremely inefficient and . . .well . . . stupid. These are basic things that should be supported in AME, directly.
While I am on the subject, timecode manipulation would also be nice there, where you can select a starting timecode.
All in all, I really like AME. It ecodes quickly, and with good quality. It leaves Apple Compressor in the dust in speed and quality, but not in some of these kinds of features - most of which you can get by going through Premiere - but sometimes it is an unnecessary hassle to do that.
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5. Re: Using Filters tab in AME
CoralVision Apr 18, 2013 7:25 AM (in response to TeamScottSmith)Yeah, right on, TeamScottSmith. The people who work at Adobe are really some of the smartest folks around, but they are also very busy and sometimes a little passive aggressive, especially given how testy we their users can be. However, the filters tab in AME seems to be an unfinished effort to fulfill a very BASIC funtion of the application when it is used by professionals, especially those of us who are both producers AND broadcaster/distributers, given the huge array of targets we have to deploy our media to.That said, I too really like AME and what it has done to my encoding/delivery workflow, despite the chronic problem I have with the thing hanging, crashing, and generally going waay slower than it should AND the stone dead silence of Adobe staff and other members of this community over on the thread where I carry on that saga of dysfunction. Despite all that I only rarely cross the room and fire up Compressor on my older machine.
PLEASE GIVE US A BROADCAST SAFE FILTER ON THE FILTERS TAB IN AME - IT JUST MAKES SENSE!
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6. Re: Using Filters tab in AME
TeamScottSmith Apr 18, 2013 10:31 AM (in response to CoralVision)CoralVision, thanks for your support!
And here is the link to the feature request form (just in case it does any good):
https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
I am always needing to convert things that are not already on a timeline. ALL THE TIME. Why involve two programs and several extra steps, to achieve something a simple filter could do? And that is several extra steps for every single clip I need to convert. If I have 50 clips I need to convert with a timecode burn-in, that is 50 damned timelines, and 50 damned Timecode Burn-in's I have to set up in premiere, copying sequences, dragging to the timeline, adding in a filter there -- in order to do something that should be as easy as clicking a checkbox in Filters in AME -- or better yet, setting up a preset (with this functionality) in AME with a watch folder, and all I have to do is drag the files into the folder. That is ONE STEP, as opposed to 20 or so steps for every single clip.
It is absurd for them to think that we don't need some filters in there. Absurd, I tell you! ABSURD!
That said, I still much prefer AME to compressor. But take care of this, Adobe! We have needs. Or at the very least, remedy this: "No, there is no way to extend this part of AME." so that third-party developers can fill in where you are inadequate.
To be fair, Sorenson Squeeze has many of these features, and can be integrated into premiere and AME. It is possible to use Squeeze sort of like a very involved plugin to AME and Premiere. Of course, if you had the extra $800 to $1000 Squeeze program, you'd typically just use it directly instead of involving AME for these things. I just hate to pay that kind of cash to supplement a program that should already have that functionality.
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7. Re: Using Filters tab in AME
BigMucho Jun 27, 2013 10:06 AM (in response to CoralVision)Really strange. Another new version of Encoder (CC) with a "Filters" tab (notice plural) containing a single filter, Gaussian blur.
I recently had client request that nearly 50 video clips be re-sized, and their levels brought up a tad. The advice above, that we start in AE is obviously absurd in this case. I had to resort to an old windows app, on an equally old PC I still have lying around to knock this out. Alternativley, I suppose I could also drop a grand on Squeeze.
Adding a basic set of color-correction, sharpening, et all, filers would save many of us a great deal of time and money.
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8. Re: Using Filters tab in AME
CoralVision Jun 27, 2013 10:25 AM (in response to BigMucho)Yeah, this is a place where AME might peek at what Compressor can do - there are not a lot, but a few, very useful adjustments one can apply to a custom setting in Compressor, including basic color and gamma, as well as audio gain and limit. I haven't tested these fully, but I am glad they are there if I need them. I think Compressor is available as a stand-alone app for $50 (if you have a Mac).



