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    Inadequate camera raw 6.4.1 updates for CS5

    MDS167

      Why are CS5 users not able to upgrade the camera raw supported camera lists?  Camera Raw 6.4.1(Camera Raw 7 doesn't support CS5) is not being upgraded as new cameras come to market. For example I bought a D7100 Nikon and now have to use the DNG converter. As a pro I am forced to go through another step that may degrade the image.

       

      Are there any work arunds or 3rd party plug ins for this?

       

      Adobe has dropped the ball in this by forcing the users to do upgrades they may not be able to afford.

        • 1. Re: Inadequate camera raw 6.4.1 updates for CS5
          kglad Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          i believe you are incorrect about adobe "dropping the ball" on this issue:  adobe has made available (for free) dng converter which can be used to convert your raw files:  http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5569

          • 2. Re: Inadequate camera raw 6.4.1 updates for CS5
            Yammer Level 4

            You can upgrade as far at 6.7 on CS5, which is well worth it anyway, as you get better processing and automatic CA correction.

            • 3. Re: Inadequate camera raw 6.4.1 updates for CS5
              MDS167 Level 1

              I used DNG converter for 200 shots.

              Now I have  an extra folder and have used a bunch of storage as well as the extra time.

              It is just another layer of work.

               

              I don't understand why they can't support CS5 for more than a couple of years.

               

              I am sure Nikon and other brands would like Adobe to be more supportive.

              • 4. Re: Inadequate camera raw 6.4.1 updates for CS5
                JimHess Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                Adobe has been on an 18 month upgrade schedule for quite some time now.  Some people are annoyed because the new version is required to use the latest camera raw.  But it's the way it has been for years.  I find it interesting that some people complain about that extra step required for DNG conversion.  Yet Adobe promotes that workflow, and many people routinely convert to DNG as they import their images.  I don't follow that workflow personally.  The real solution is for the camera makers to adopt the DNG file format, producing it natively in their cameras.

                • 5. Re: Inadequate camera raw 6.4.1 updates for CS5
                  Yammer Level 4

                  MDS167 wrote:

                   

                  I am sure Nikon and other brands would like Adobe to be more supportive.

                  Look at it another way:

                  Why does "Nikon and other brands" continue to ignore DNG? If DNG was an available option on new cameras, like JPEG is already (and sometimes TIFF), you wouldn't need to upgrade your software (and that's not just Adobe) every time you use a new camera.

                  So maybe the camera manufacturers should be "more supportive" of their customers. Some are. I believe there are several manufacturers which provide DNG files, including Pentax, Leica and Ricoh.

                   

                  Edit: Great minds think alike.

                  • 6. Re: Inadequate camera raw 6.4.1 updates for CS5
                    deejjjaaaa Level 2

                    > I believe there are several manufacturers which provide DNG files, including Pentax, Leica and Ricoh

                     

                    Ricoh purchased Pentax division (from Hoya) and Samung dropped DNG for good (along w/ rebranded Pentax dSLR designs)... so DNG adoption is actually shrinking (marketsharewise too)... it is time to get real - DNG is good as an intermediate workflow format, but as for in camera native raw it is not going to happen... not before camera manufactureres will start documentig their own formats, because the issue is not whether it is DNG flavor of TIFF or NEF flavor of TIFF really.

                    • 7. Re: Inadequate camera raw 6.4.1 updates for CS5
                      Yammer Level 4

                      Yeah, I wasn't holding my breath. It's just as reasonable to expect Adobe to update all their obsolete software for free for people who have just spent a wedge of cash on a new camera.

                      I think that where there's a will there's a way, and it might be possible to redesign ACR to separate the decoder from the converter, but that doesn't help anyone with older software now. But, lets face it, Adobe is in it for the money, and they do provide DNG Converter for nothing, so one couldn't call them evil exactly.

                      • 8. Re: Inadequate camera raw 6.4.1 updates for CS5
                        Level 5

                        All this discussion of DNG becomes irrelevant in this context if you keep in mind that, unless you upgrade to the latest version of Adobe Camera Raw, which only runs in the latest versions of Photoshop and Bridge, you are leaving a lot of image quality on the table.  Period.

                         

                        Its not just a question of camera model compatibility, but of substantial advances and improvements in the latest versions of ACR.

                         

                        No one can expect Adobe to give you these substantial upgrades for free, so if image quality matters to you, you will upgrade.  Such is life.

                        • 9. Re: Inadequate camera raw 6.4.1 updates for CS5
                          Phillip M Jones Level 4

                          Nikon has used NEF for Ages and ages. I bought a D3000 and it used NEF for Raw Files then and I sold the 3000 and bought a 3200. Still uses the same NEF files. I use a Mac and find I have several other Applications  that can open the D3200 Files just fine.  Its just another scheme to Force people to buy new products.  I like the original Poster can't afford to fork over $1200.00 ever year. (Web PremiumCS5.5)  just to get Photoshop to read my camera  natively.  Unlike the 3000 there was so many improvements in the Camera I had to move to the 3200. But chances are I will keep this one more years than the the 3000.

                           

                          I would make the suggestion to get rid of the Raw Plugin and allow Photoshop to use the Mac OS native Raw Plugin which they freely update atleast every three months.  And bTW NEF has been around far longer than DNG.

                          • 10. Re: Inadequate camera raw 6.4.1 updates for CS5
                            Jeff Schewe Level 5

                            Phillip Jones wrote:

                             

                            Nikon has used NEF for Ages and ages. I bought a D3000 and it used NEF for Raw Files then and I sold the 3000 and bought a 3200. Still uses the same NEF files.

                             

                            Actually, no...each camera model spawns off a different flavor of NEF. The only thing that is the same is the file extension. And yes, Nikon has been using NEF for a long time...they used it for Nikon scanner files as well. Which actually further complicates the whole NEF file format further.

                            • 11. Re: Inadequate camera raw 6.4.1 updates for CS5
                              Phillip M Jones Level 4

                              Then Why if you can create a Separate  Converter can not that converter be built into Photoshop?

                              • 12. Re: Inadequate camera raw 6.4.1 updates for CS5
                                Level 5

                                PJ,

                                 

                                The DNG Converter does not "convert" raw files in the sense of "rendering" the raw data.  It leaves the raw data untouched and puts it in a different wrapper.

                                 

                                It would be impractical to update Photoshop three to four times a year, which is how frequently new updated versions of the DNG Converter and of ACR get released.

                                 

                                Beyond that, your statement that "its just another scheme to Force people to buy new products" is contradicted by the fact