7 Replies Latest reply: May 1, 2013 7:47 PM by PierreLouisBeranek RSS

    Slipping Keyframes: Yes? or NO?!

    PierreLouisBeranek Community Member

      Hi everyone,

       

      When you slip a clip with keyframes in the Timeline, do you want its keyframes to slip along with the clip?

       

      In my case, 99% of the time, I DON'T!  Why?  Because the vast majority of the time, I set motion/effect/audio keyframes based on events in the sequence (i.e. music cues, dialogue, other clips/cuts, titles, etc), NOT based on the content of the clip itself.  However, in Premiere you can't slip a clip without its keyframes slipping too.  In After Effects, it's the opposite, slipping a clip NEVER slips the clip's keyframes.  The After Effects team gets it, that an editor's workflow requires keyframes to stay put when slipping a clip.  So why doesn't Premiere Pro's team get it too?

       

      This is a huge editing headache for me and no doubt for so many other editors.  Thankfully, the solution could be so simple:

       

      Slip a clip = Keyframes don't Slip

      CTRL-Slip (or Command-Slip) a clip = Keyframes slip together with the clip (current PP behavior)

       

      This solution would accommodate all workflows, allowing keyframes to slip or stay put depending on the situation!  So to answer the question of "Slipping Keyframes: Yes or No?", I say give us the power to decide!

      What do you think? 

       

      I've sent FRs to Adobe for this in the past but it seems we still won't get a fix for this in CS Next, so I'm hoping to get others on board, sending Adobe their own FRs so we can finally get this part of Premiere Pro working intelligently, the way After Effects does.  Here's the link for your FRs: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish (there's power in numbers, so if you've ever been annoyed with Premiere's slipping keyframes, please add your voice with a formal FR!)

        • 1. Re: Slipping Keyframes: Yes? or NO?!
          Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

          Sounds like a darned good feature request. Go for it! http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

          • 2. Re: Slipping Keyframes: Yes? or NO?!
            PierreLouisBeranek Community Member

            Glad you agree Kevin!   I've sent FRs for this in the past, suggesting other ways of doing it, but I think my current proposal is the simplest/most elegant.  I'll submit another FR for this and hope others do too.

            • 3. Re: Slipping Keyframes: Yes? or NO?!
              BingoFriday Community Member

              Yes - this would be excellent. Maddenting to have to fix the keyframes when slipping the clip.  Also, if you could zoom the program monitor with your mouse wheel like you can in AE that would be great too.

              • 4. Re: Slipping Keyframes: Yes? or NO?!
                DMH79 Community Member

                I'll second that feature request. Would be helpful from time to time. Request sent.

                • 5. Re: Slipping Keyframes: Yes? or NO?!
                  Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                  PierreLouisBeranek wrote:

                   

                  Glad you agree Kevin!   I've sent FRs for this in the past, suggesting other ways of doing it, but I think my current proposal is the simplest/most elegant.  I'll submit another FR for this and hope others do too.

                   

                  I'd also like the option of slipping the keyframes without slipping the clip. It's a feature I used a lot in FCP. Basically, just show clip keyframes in the Timeline, and then drag between any two keyframes--all keyframes for the clip would slip in unison. Pretty cool.

                  • 6. Re: Slipping Keyframes: Yes? or NO?!
                    Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                    BingoFriday wrote:

                     

                    Also, if you could zoom the program monitor with your mouse wheel like you can in AE that would be great too.

                     

                    Yes, that's a feature request: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish. In the upcoming version, there are keyboard shortcuts for zooming in and out of the main panels, including the Program Monitor.

                    • 7. Re: Slipping Keyframes: Yes? or NO?!
                      PierreLouisBeranek Community Member

                      Thanks for adding your voices DMH79 and BingoFriday.

                       

                      I just added my formal FR (forum members, please feel free to copy/paste this FR and send to Adobe in your own words).  Here it is:

                       

                       

                      *******Enhancement / FMR*********

                      Brief title for your desired feature:  User control over keyframe slipping

                       

                      How would you like the feature to work?

                       

                      Slip a clip = Keyframes don't Slip

                      CTRL-Slip (or Command-Slip) a clip = Keyframes slip together with the clip (current PP behavior)

                       

                      Why is this feature important to you?

                      Most of the time, editors don't want keyframes to move when slipping a clip in the Timeline.  This is because keyframes are almost always set relative to the Timeline itself and not to the contents of the clip.  After Effects understands this (when slipping a clip in AE, keyframes stay put!)  My proposed solution would accommodate all workflows, allowing keyframes to slip or stay put depending on the situation.  Please give users the power to decide if keyframes should slip or not!

                       

                      PS. Adding this feature before the next big release in 2014 for Cloud users would be a great way to encourage more users to move to the Cloud.  I know that I, for one, would make the switch for this one feature alone!