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      • 40. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
        Noel Carboni Community Member

        Hi Trevor, nice to see you.  And thanks. 

         

        It's announced, but the software won't be available until June 17.

         

        I've had a cloud subscription for some months now, but I'd say a lot of the others here seem to be against it.  It's not that surprising.

         

        -Noel

        • 41. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
          JJMack Community Member

          charles badland wrote:

           

          Five new features in Photoshop CC

          Most look geared to geared to web design.  Most look like they can be done with little to no effort with current tools.  If good to hear adobe can now draw a better circle were to old ones that bad Adobe is now well rounded. In fact everything is rounded OH my.  I have to admit I use the old Adobe lens flair a lot over the holidays which was very rare. Next It will be easier to flair my images distorting them all over the place OH My.  Automatic text styles Automatic rounded corners and automatic bevel and emboss OH My  OH My The basic and most fundamental important features Ten years in the making OH My G.. .

           

          [ admin:  Note the word PARODY in the description of that video ]

          • 42. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
            vinsolo Community Member

            don't you think, JJ, that the purpose of business is business'

             

            Still, I had subscribed 2 days ago and have just now cancelled my subscription.

             

            I sure hope a compromise is worked out. Stay on them!!!

             

            vince

            • 43. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
              JJMack Community Member

              vinsolo wrote:

               

              don't you think, JJ, that the purpose of business is business'

               

              There is also things like support and ethics.  A company should care about its reputation it may even help business. Adobe doesn't seem to care once the release a product and get it somewhat stable they stop fixing bugs.

               

              I have been trying to get Adobe to fix some bugs for several releases. Over a year ago I reported a new bug in CS6 Adobe did not even Acknowledge it. With the CC announcement I revisited my bug reports still no status change so I bumped them again.   Now they have acknoledged the CS6 one the Adobe sent me e-mail a programer was assigned to fix is not and not even acknowledged.

               

              Here the acknowledgement: http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/photoshop_cs6_32bit_and_64bit_script _bug?utm_content=topic_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=reply_notification

               

              Hi John,


              This was fixed in the subscription version of Photoshop CS6 (13.1). With the recent announcements, I'll put this one back on the hopper for revisiting as a 13.0.x fix.


              ...You're only a day away!

               

              All I can do is hope.  So back into the nonsubscription hopper it goes.  Seems fitting given Adobe reputation for support. How did it even get out of it before must have been neglect. Yes Adobe neglect of non paying dues members has been established for some time now. And now its acknowledge OH my

               

              "You're only a day away!" irony or sarcasm

               


               


              • 44. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                Trevor.Dennis Community Member

                I'll add a +1 to JJ's comments about most of the new Photoshop CC features, but the change perspective tool, which I don't believe will be part of the first Photoshop CC version, looks cool.   And a nice thing about the Cloud subscription is that you know it won't necessarily be 18 months to two years before it becomes available (as is the case with new full release versions).  Another thought is that we'll never see another public beta release, as we did with CS6.   I am still champing at the bit to sign up after the 17th June, and for the full CC package.

                • 45. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                  JJMack Community Member

                  If you must have Photoshop then pay up.  You can not count on CS6 working in the future Adobe does not support old product. When not if Adobe end CS6 marketing and stop supporting it you will be out in the cold.  You will not be able to recover from head crashes or update you OS.  CS6 installation requires an Adobe Activation Registration server.  Adobe history shows they take them down CS6 installation will not be possible at some point.

                  • 46. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                    playpiano Community Member

                    What?

                    I have CS6 Master regularly licensed.

                    I can understand Adobe does not support it forever but i will use it until i want: Adobe cannot arbitrarely make decision to stop CS6 activation service unless it give me a non activation-dependent patch.

                    For sure.

                    • 47. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                      JJMack Community Member

                      I'll repeat history shows that not only can they, Adobe have taken down install servers.  Adobe did try to make that right and put a install on the net that could be install with a provided code.  Adobe then realized that anyone could now down and install CS2 so they pulled that down too....

                      • 48. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                        nahravka Community Member

                        http://www.adobe.com/downloads/cs2_downloads/

                        and this "cracked" version works fine with any new OS, so most of users are gonna be doing well, for next 5-10 years

                        • 49. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                          *Photonic Community Member

                          Trevor.Dennis wrote:

                           

                          I'll add a +1 to JJ's comments about most of the new Photoshop CC features, but the change perspective tool, which I don't believe will be part of the first Photoshop CC version, looks cool.   And a nice thing about the Cloud subscription is that you know it won't necessarily be 18 months to two years before it becomes available (as is the case with new full release versions).  Another thought is that we'll never see another public beta release, as we did with CS6.   I am still champing at the bit to sign up after the 17th June, and for the full CC package.

                          Sounds like you still haven't seen the big picture here. Know that Adobe's priorities and incentives have now drastically changed due to the new CC model.

                           

                          First of all, there may soon no longer be "versions." There is no longer a time-measure or number measure of Adobe providing a new feature set for customers to review and THEN consider purchasing. Remember, Adobe will already have your money and commitment. And they no longer have to provide you with significant new product features to get your money. You will already be subscribed.

                           

                          You feel good about no longer having to wait 18 months for a new feature set. Well, what is Adobe's incentive to continue R&D at its former pace? Again, they already have your money. Their incentive to produce new features is now about as much as their incentive to fix bugs -- rare, because that cost decreases their profit margin.

                           

                          We will now be required to pay Adobe up front for "promises" rather than tangible features. The day you are excitingly awaiting, July 17th, will be the LAST time you will be able to look at PS's new features and then decide to buy or not. Once you subscribe, you have sacrificed your choice and relieved Adobe of any incentive to provide you with a better product in the future.

                           

                          Onward lemmings -- to the cliff! 

                          • 50. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                            Noel Carboni Community Member

                            JJMack wrote:

                             


                            Adobe doesn't seem to care once the release a product and get it somewhat stable they stop fixing bugs.

                             

                            Philosophically I agree with you.  It's reprehensible that bugs go unfixed across major version release.

                             

                            But clearly Engineers don't run Adobe.  "Businessmen" (which is a nice way of saying "not smart enough to be an engineer") run it, and despite my disdain for such folks it's pretty clear they've been running Adobe in a way that is sustainable (Photoshop IS up to version 14.0 now).

                             

                            When trying to grow a business there is a tendency to overdeliver value and try to be everyone's friend, emphasizing things like support.

                             

                            When trying to maximize profits in a running business the focus changes to minimizing cost and maximizing income.  At that point those running the business want to make it just painful enough that people will continue using the product.  They won't love paying that much, but they still will.  Sound familiar?

                             

                            -Noel

                            • 51. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                              JJMack Community Member

                              It not a cracked version Adobe made that available and it installs. It goes through registration everytime you start it which does no good. Its three levels back which is verry poor as far as ACR goes.

                              • 52. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                JJMack Community Member

                                You know I have been trying to get bugs fixed for years.  They even fixed one of the CS6 bugs I reported and gave it to you but not to us non subscribers.  And you only Philosophically agree! I do not care if its because of Engineers or Businessmen it a well establish Adobe policy.   It does not matter who set the policy. Even Adobe warrantee state product will work mostly like their documented.  Documentation is in shambles and only on line.  Nowhere do see CS6 will crash from time to time.  CS6 has been crashing from day one most of the crash bugs have been fixed.  Still at lease one still exist ScriptUIFlex.dll crashes every now and then on my machines.  An other user reported the bug and Adobe does not even acknowledge it. Many Google hits. Bug report  http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/export_layers_to_files_script_causin g_cs6_to_crash_repeatedly

                                • 53. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                  Noel Carboni Community Member

                                  You seem to be reacting to flawed assumptions, JJ...

                                   

                                  1.  The Photoshop CS2 non-online activated version was made available by Adobe to people who were no longer able to activate their software because the old online activation servers ceased functioning.  The only take-away I get from this is that Adobe is serious about continuing to support folks who bought perpetual licenses for old products.

                                   

                                  2.  Based on the above, is there any reason not to assume that Adobe will, going into the future, support the use of Photoshop CS6 perpetual licenses - either by continuing to support the activation server or by making a non-online activated version available, just as they have with Photoshop CS2?

                                   

                                  -Noel

                                  • 54. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                    JJMack Community Member

                                    CS2 as far as I know is stable and fixed. The big question is will CS6 ever even get to that state?

                                    • 55. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                      nahravka Community Member

                                      please read "cracked" as "activation free", and YES, it is stable and fixed, works better than CS6 / 64bit for me (and most likely, for many other users)

                                      Even thinking about selling my CS5.5 / 6 upgrade right now, and enjoy next years without spending a dime on next Adobe products

                                      • 56. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                        Noel Carboni Community Member

                                        Since ATI Catalyst 13.3 beta 3 (and now with 13.4) I haven't had anywhere NEAR the crashes / problems I had before.  Of course, I'm on the Cloud edition (13.1.2), so that could be a factor.  I haven't forgotten we're talking about the perpetual version.

                                         

                                        It would be nice if for every bug Adobe fixes in the cloud version they'd fix it in Photoshop CS6 as well.

                                         

                                        -Noel

                                        • 57. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                          JJMack Community Member

                                          Yes I'm retired and foot the bills for the Internet each year I pay

                                          ISP  $400  24/7 service 15Mbs fantastic up time cost to cost around 5Mbs local around 12Mbs

                                          Web Server $60 24/7 service Backup Restore unlimited storage and great bandwidth fantastic up time

                                          Web domain name $10

                                          Photoshop has been $134 now Adobe wants a 80% hike to $240 and their support in the poorest I have ever come across.

                                          • 58. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                            Nevada Shooter Community Member

                                            Like someone said on a different thread, "Don't drink the Kool Aid"

                                            • 59. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                              Trevor.Dennis Community Member

                                              *Photonic wrote:

                                               

                                              Trevor.Dennis wrote:

                                               

                                              I'll add a +1 to JJ's comments about most of the new Photoshop CC features, but the change perspective tool, which I don't believe will be part of the first Photoshop CC version, looks cool.   And a nice thing about the Cloud subscription is that you know it won't necessarily be 18 months to two years before it becomes available (as is the case with new full release versions).  Another thought is that we'll never see another public beta release, as we did with CS6.   I am still champing at the bit to sign up after the 17th June, and for the full CC package.

                                              Sounds like you still haven't seen the big picture here. Know that Adobe's priorities and incentives have now drastically changed due to the new CC model.

                                               

                                              First of all, there may soon no longer be "versions." There is no longer a time-measure or number measure of Adobe providing a new feature set for customers to review and THEN consider purchasing. Remember, Adobe will already have your money and commitment. And they no longer have to provide you with significant new product features to get your money. You will already be subscribed.

                                               

                                              You feel good about no longer having to wait 18 months for a new feature set. Well, what is Adobe's incentive to continue R&D at its former pace? Again, they already have your money. Their incentive to produce new features is now about as much as their incentive to fix bugs -- rare, because that cost decreases their profit margin.

                                               

                                              We will now be required to pay Adobe up front for "promises" rather than tangible features. The day you are excitingly awaiting, July 17th, will be the LAST time you will be able to look at PS's new features and then decide to buy or not. Once you subscribe, you have sacrificed your choice and relieved Adobe of any incentive to provide you with a better product in the future.

                                               

                                              Onward lemmings -- to the cliff! 

                                              If there is one thing that is a dead cert, it's that Adobe's competitors will be making haste to take advantage of the negative response to the CC situation.  OK, Photoshop doesn't viable competition that I can think of, but all its other apps do.  If adobe decide to rest on their laurels, then those people who were initially happy with the CC model, will jump ship.  It's a big world out there. Ask IBM about that upstart Bill Gates who had the audacity to think he could challenge their monopoly on microcumputer operating systems.  If you are a youngster, you might be asking IBM???

                                               

                                               

                                              We know what's on offer for the first CC apps, and I am pretty excited about them, but note I use a bunch of Adobe apps, and not just Photoshop.  I agree, no question, a single app subscription for Photoshop is not a good deal, but CS6 is only a year old, and you would not have expected to update for a while yet.  That gives you time to decide what is right for me.  Right now the full CC package looks like a stonking good deal for me. 

                                               

                                              I am perhaps a bit peeved that, if I chose to stay with my CS6 apps, I would not be able use the MXF files from my Canon XF300 in After Effects.  Adobe agree this a bug, but it is unlikely to be fixed with a CS update - only with the CC apps.  That kind of sucks.

                                              • 60. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                                Gulliver64 Community Member

                                                Just one more thing: bye, bye Adobe!

                                                 

                                                GraphicConverter can do almost the same stuff - and is shareware!

                                                • 61. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                                  Noel Carboni Community Member

                                                  Trevor.Dennis wrote:

                                                   


                                                  If there is one thing that is a dead cert, it's that Adobe's competitors will be making haste to take advantage of the negative response to the CC situation. 

                                                   

                                                  A day or two ago I saw something on the Corel site where they're already advertising that they're all about giving users buying options that other companies aren't.

                                                   

                                                  -Noel

                                                  • 62. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                                    nahravka Community Member

                                                    and some special deal for Adobe users should be out soon

                                                    • 63. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                                      Nevada Shooter Community Member

                                                      Just as there are people who believe Mac is better than PC, there are people who believe Corel is better than Adobe, and it is a lot less expensive.  I expect Corel will make what ever produce improvements it needs to to  be on the same level as Photoshop, if it isn't already, and to start courting unhappy Adobe  users.  There was a time when Corel was more popular than Adobe.  It could happen again. Adobe seems to have gone the way of so many other American publicly traded companies and is looking only at quarterly profits and stock prices at the expense of a long term strategy. I noticed that the trend for their stock over the last year was a steady climb, however it has lost almost $2 per share over the last 5 days.  Of course it is too early to call that a trend, but if it continues, and it will if it looks like a significant number of users are going to stay away from the new pricing scheme, Adobe management will have to re-evaluate their strategy.  The folks at the top most likely have stock options, and share holders will be unhappy.

                                                      • 64. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                                        Curt Y Community Member

                                                        It might be worth noting that Corel also has a subsctiption version, probably close to model Adobe had 2 weeks ago.  Am sure, for now, Corel will keep the boxed version and watch what Adobe does.

                                                        • 65. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                                          *Photonic Community Member

                                                          Nevada Shooter wrote:

                                                           

                                                          Just as there are people who believe Mac is better than PC, there are people who believe Corel is better than Adobe, and it is a lot less expensive.  I expect Corel will make what ever produce improvements it needs to to  be on the same level as Photoshop, if it isn't already, and to start courting unhappy Adobe  users.  There was a time when Corel was more popular than Adobe.  It could happen again. Adobe seems to have gone the way of so many other American publicly traded companies and is looking only at quarterly profits and stock prices at the expense of a long term strategy. I noticed that the trend for their stock over the last year was a steady climb, however it has lost almost $2 per share over the last 5 days...

                                                          In the days of yore I much preferred Corel Photo-Paint over Photoshop versions 3 - 6. It was much easier to use, versatile, and in many ways more intuitive.

                                                           

                                                          Then Corel bought Paint-Shop Pro and threw Photo-Paint in with Corel Draw as a Suite for bunches of $. I didn't need Corel Draw, didn't care for Paint-Shop Pro, so I went over to Photoshop moaning the whole way. I also switched to Mac hoping to lessen the pain.

                                                           

                                                          If there was a Mac version of Corel Draw/Photo-Paint I would consider giving it another go. Especially if they are smart enough to capitalize on this new opportunity by updating and selling Photo-Paint separately again. Their Lightroom equivalent, AfterShot Pro, is already Mac/PC compatible, which would make for a good RAW workflow.

                                                           

                                                          Then there's NIC Software's reputation for innovation, which is now under the HUGE resource umbrella of Google. So we may also see something interesting happen there. Yes, these could be exciting times ahead of us.  There's plenty of life left in PS CS6 for me to ride out the time it will take for competitive products to hit the market. And besides, it's paid for.

                                                          • 66. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                                            Nevada Shooter Community Member

                                                            I did not know that Google now owned Nik Software.  I looked and not only do they own it, but they have drastically reduced the price.  I have been wanting to get Nik but the price was more than I could afford right now, but at $149 for the full suite, I think the time has come to get it.  I know a lot of people that use Photoshop primarily as a gateway to their Nik plugins.  They do all their real work with Nik.  Also, pretty much everyone I know who is serious about HDR uses Photomatix although some people like Niks HDR Efex Pro 2.  The HDR implementation in Photoshop is really not very good, to put it politely.  Like some others here, I have Lightroom 4 and Photoshop CS6.  I can easily wait and see what happens in the market for a long time before I need to get any new software, especially if I get the Nik plugins and possibly Photomatix.

                                                            • 67. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                                              Was DYP Community Member

                                                              I am having dreams about Aldus PhotoStyler, as I remember it was one sweet peice of software. Just like Freehand was in comparsion to Illustrator.

                                                              • 68. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                                                *Photonic Community Member

                                                                Nevada Shooter wrote:

                                                                 

                                                                ...I know a lot of people that use Photoshop primarily as a gateway to their Nik plugins.  They do all their real work with Nik.  Also, pretty much everyone I know who is serious about HDR uses Photomatix although some people like Niks HDR Efex Pro 2.  The HDR implementation in Photoshop is really not very good, to put it politely.  Like some others here, I have Lightroom 4 and Photoshop CS6.  I can easily wait and see what happens in the market for a long time before I need to get any new software, especially if I get the Nik plugins and possibly Photomatix.

                                                                Nik's first step may indeed be to make their plug-ins "stand-alone" products rather than requiring Photoshop. On-One Software has done that with their excellent apps.

                                                                 

                                                                I have used all three HDR apps and find Photomatix to generally be the most versatile. Nik HDR Efex has a great interface and workflow. If you shoot image sets handheld, Photoshop HDR excells in de-ghosting. I will de-ghost in PS and render a 32-bit file, then take it over to Photomatix for processing.

                                                                 

                                                                With all the radical changes and uncertainty going on with Adobe, and their lack of response to customer concerns, staying with PS CS6 for now makes a lot of sense (if you can resist the CC intro offers). If you are a CS5 user, well, that's a stretch. My advice for PS CS5 users is to upgrade NOW to CS6 before Adobe kills it on their web site. It's already impossible to navigate to the purchase page. You have to get a URL from someone or in one of the threads here in the forums.

                                                                 

                                                                Once customers figure out the merits of this option, there may be a stampede to upgrade to CS6, if it's not already happening. That may prompt Adobe to quickly nix that option the second CC debuts. I, for one, have taken that route and upgraded to CS6 this week. FYI: I discovered when installing the CS6 upgrade that I was asked for a CS5 OR CS4 product key. I thought that had ended last March.

                                                                • 69. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                                                  Nevada Shooter Community Member

                                                                  I have had trouble with Photoshop's de-ghosting creating unacceptable noise in my pictures.

                                                                  • 70. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                                                    Noel Carboni Community Member

                                                                    Nevada Shooter wrote:

                                                                     

                                                                    I have had trouble with Photoshop's de-ghosting creating unacceptable noise in my pictures.

                                                                     

                                                                    Can you be more specific about what you mean by "de-ghosting"?

                                                                     

                                                                    -Noel

                                                                    • 71. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                                                      Nevada Shooter Community Member

                                                                      Noel, I am referring to the "Remove Ghosts" check box in Merge to HDR Pro in Photoshop CS6.

                                                                      • 72. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                                                        Noel Carboni Community Member

                                                                        Ah, thanks.  I never use that feature; I've never seen much merit in it, partially for the reason you've mentioned, and for others.

                                                                         

                                                                        -Noel

                                                                        • 73. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                                                          Nevada Shooter Community Member

                                                                          I saw an ad today for CorelDraw Graphics Suite X6 for $431.10.

                                                                          • 74. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                                                            Noel Carboni Community Member

                                                                            Notably that doesn't include Paintshop Pro.  I don't know much about the Corel Photo-Paint package that is part of it, nor whether it's any kind of competition to Photoshop.  It's on my list of things to go investigate.

                                                                             

                                                                            -Noel

                                                                            • 77. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                                                              William Boswell Community Member

                                                                              Who wants CS2 when we have CS6?  CS2 is too old to bother with.

                                                                              • 78. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                                                                William Boswell Community Member

                                                                                Let's just hope next time Adobe puts the files and serial numbers in a place where only registered users can access it and not on a public page like they did for CS2.  Or provide us links from our own accounts.  That will stop another "Adobe is giving away CS6."

                                                                                • 79. Re: Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?
                                                                                  PhotoRoy1 Community Member

                                                                                  What makes me angry about this whole matter of dealing with Adobe is that one  is forced to give up their independence to a stupid corporation! It seems that  most do not Mind being dependent on and enslaved by them.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  I do not want  to be dependent on anyone! Especially a corporation. If you call it anyone. To  me it is a lifeless governmental deity. If I want to live and work off the grid,  I do not want to be dependent on anyone or any corporation! I don't want to be  dependent on an Internet connection, especially in a state like West Virginia.  Most areas in this state do not even have the service. Nor cell phone service. I  know some who do not even have electricity.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  I don't want them updating my  computer, or changing the software once I get use to it. My history with updates  is that they only cost time, for little benefit, and many times the updates do  not work into the system which I work.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  I find myself going back to cs3 to  do most of my printing because it works better with the older Epson printers  which I am using. I would have not gotten cs4, nor cs5 if it wasn't necessary  only to get the RAW file converters for new cameras. It pains me to need to have  two PhotoShop programs on my computers, and need to switch back from one to  another just to do my work.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  I had to buy a new/old stock of cs3 a couple  of years ago because I had a voltage surge, and it fried five hard drives. Adobe  would not allow me to reinstall the old program! If I could not un-install the  old copies, I would not be able to reinstall the program. Only adding more  misery to the hurt!

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Maybe it is time for a world wide boycott of Adobe  products. This who idea of having a subscription, and an Internet connection is  beyond my way of wanting to live. Living in a world where greed is the driver.  Welcome to the world of Ayn Rand.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Ben

                                                                                   

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