When I use After Effects everything is crisp and sharp.
Which export codec are you using from After Effects are you comparing Premiere Pro to? The exact same one?
in particualr the dull Text.
I've noticed that Premiere Pro uses a stronger antialiasing filter to smooth out the edges than AE and PS. If you want that edge roughness, you'll need to use those programs for your text.
H264 on Both ... Thanks
I noticed that the text is very smooth in Premiere. In AE it is sharper, much more than Premiere but not rough at all.
Any ideas? Thanks.-
The idea was given in post 2. You'll have to use AE or PS if you don't want that smoothness PP creates.
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You'll have to use AE or PS if you don't want that smoothness PP creates.
This is one of the reasons I do all of my finished titles in Ae,
and it makes this Feature Request important to me:
Well, there is definetly some issue with Premiere Pro after 'exporting'. We have worked with AE and Vegas Pro for many years now getting excellent results and just recently we started using Premiere CS6 instead of Vegas Pro; we have tried many combinations to get Premiere to export crisp clips with no avail.
Are we missing something? Is there a combination within Premiere to Get Text and Video to be as crisp and sharp as Vegas Pro?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Once again, PP uses stronger antialiasing than the other programs. If you don't want that smoothness, you'll have to create your titles in another program.
Thank you very much Jim; if I don't use the Titler within Premiere and buy a program Like New Blue Titler will this also be run through the Softening Antialiasing that PP has?
Is there a method to avoid the strong Antialiasing in PP for the Text?
It gets a bit cumbersome sometimes to have to depend on a 'external' titler because PP can not render but 'smooth' titles, this in addition to the laborious extra work.
Thanks for any help.
same here... I would like to use PP Title Tool to add text overlays to internal review versions - but it look's soo blurry I have to use external tools - that takes more time and isn't as flexible as a internal tool...
The way I read the OP problem was that he was getting soft video and titles, not just soft titles, so perhaps the issue is with the render? Does the video look sharp before rendering? What are your render settings?
Frankly, I don't find the title tool to be all that soft but my eyes are getting older.
Actually the video/title combination is very soft using Premiere, in particular and most noticebably the Titles. The video can be improved some with a small amount of sharpening which hinders the quality of the video somewhat.
The render was done using .avi and h264 and quicktime, VBR 2Pass and 1Pass, several bitrate combinations including with/without keyframe distances and 720/1080 HD along with Video setting Levels from 3.0 to 5.1.
If you guys can point us to some type of guide to set us straight or if we are missing something on what is a 'best' combination to Render with Premiere Pro CS6 it would be fantastic.
Like I mentioned before, any of the videos we have rendered with After Effects CS6 and Vegas Pro 12 the results are very crisp and sharp.
Really appreciate all the input and suggestions you guys have given, hoping to get more.
If you are having to sharpen the video to get a clean output, then something is amiss. Is your source interlace? If so, could be a dominant field mismatch. Just guessing here. Maybe you could post a frame grab of your sequence and render settings along with a before and after representative frame.
I have not used the titler in PPro CS6. For static titles, I'll use Photoshop files and for animated I'll use AE.
As far as rendering out video footage from PPro CS6, I've not experienced any sharpness problems. The rendered video is as sharp/detailed as the source footage.
As streamthis suggests, it could be a field order mismatch. What format is your source footage in?
The slight sharpening on the whole video just gives it a sense of an overall 'wellness' after the Render since the Titles are not sharp. The video standing alone seems good.
If there is a way the avoid the strong antialiasing just on the Titles we would not have to go through AE of NewBlue Title or any other means to place titles in Premiere CS6 or is it like I asked before.. Are we missing something for Titles within PPr? Some setup or tweek in the Titles? Thanks for all the ideas and comments. It's great!
would be helpful to see a source versus export still comparison - if PP uses the MPE with Lanczos Resize you will get the highest quality sampling possible today...
I've tried many combinations and getting these issues with Premiere, I have made some clips of what I am getting hoping you can point out what my issue is and help me out.
This is the Setting of a simple AE picture sequence rendered with sound.
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9926/aebestsett.jpg (can't get the forum tools to work)
Here is the Screenshot of what was rendered with AE
Here a shot of the above clip RENDERED through Premiere Pro (a part )
Here is another continuos shot of what Premiere Pro puts out, it flickers between fuzzy and kinda sharp fequently.
Here is the Premiere Pro Settings for the Render
Here is the same clip Directly from AE and Rendered Through Vegas Pro 12
and Here are the settings for the Vegas Pro 12 for that render (no flicker)
I'm sorry I could not use the Insert Image on the Forum, but it did not work for me.
Any suggestions, comments and help would be very appreciated.
Your export settings in Premiere (and even After Effects) are not comparable to what you're using in Vegas.
The first problem is in Premiere, you are exporting your 29.97fps progressive sequence to 59.94fps progressive. You should be outputting to the same frame rate as the sequence is in (29.97fps progressive). So change this setting in Premiere (it's already correct in AE and Vegas).
The second problem is the bitrate you're using. In Premiere you're using 4.5Mbps as the target and 5.4Mbps as the max. In AE you're using 7.26Mbps as the target. I would consider 7Mbps as the absolute minimum for 1080p, with 10-12Mbps being preferable. In Vegas, you're using 12Mbps as the target/average, with 24Mbps as the max! So it's obvious that the export from Vegas would look better, as you're using 3x or more bitrate.
Fix these problems with your export settings in Premiere, and your export should look much better. For an easy way of doing this, in Premiere's "Export Settings" window, choose "H.264" as format, then "YouTube HD 1080p 29.97". This sets your bitrate to 8Mbps, which you can boost if you'd like.
I'll try these settings you have suggested ! Thanks
What should we use for the Key Frame Distance ?
Did my settings help?
For keyframe distance, I typically use 2 keyframes per second.
That means halving your frame rate: for 30p, the keyframe distance is 15. For 24p, use 12.
Thanks so much !!
These settings have given us the start to understand Premiere Pros advantages. We have been using Vegas for a while now and it is a bit different set up; just have to learn them.
We do appreciate your help on settings us on the way.
Much, much appreciated.
Any other thoughts and pointers will be welcome.
WOW ... just tried Photoshop CC ... Now we are TALKING !!!!