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1. Re: Tripods - heads and legs
joe bloe premiere May 23, 2013 6:45 AM (in response to Steven L. Gotz)OK, we all use them. Or should. Tripods are the topic of this thread.
I am a tripod.
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2. Re: Tripods - heads and legs
able123 May 23, 2013 7:01 AM (in response to joe bloe premiere)I now dream of rubber bands on my head.
They make my ears stick out !
Joe, we used to call this guy , Albert , THE HUMAN TRIPOD... really !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_and_David_Maysles
even locked off shots.. he would have us build a little platform for him to sit on so he could hand hold the camera on his shoulder at that specific height.. ( using apple boxes ).
Like he would crouch down and put his behind in a certain spot and we would fill in between the ground and his behind !!!!
I don't know if it would be helpful to mention and illustrate what 35mm pro cameras use for tripod, heads and rigging ( like on car hoods or stuff ? ). Maybe it would help to see at least what that stuff is.. and then downsize it for DSLR...
The plus side would be seeing how stuff works on pro stuff ( mitchel plates etc ), which may give people " ideas " relative to the adaption to smaller cameras ?
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3. Re: Tripods - heads and legs
able123 May 23, 2013 7:12 AM (in response to able123)An example of "comparing "...
A wheeled head is the smoothest most accurate type head for pans and tilts. They are tricky to use and it takes a long time to get used to them where you dont have to THINK about what you are doing...where it is all muscle memory and lots of experience. Wheeled heads are used on motion pictures more than fluid heads.
The wheel on left.. turn it counter clockwise and it pans left...turn it clockwise and it pans right. The wheel no back, turn it counter clockwise and you tilt down, turn it clockwise and you pan up. To make circles and figure 8's and follow action etc with this head takes TONS of practice...but it is arguably the best type head to use...
here is 35mm version motion pic head...one of several brands...
http://www.arri.com/camera/pro_camera_accessories/support_systems/arrihead_2.html
here is a new DSLR version by CPM ( bh sells it )
http://www.cpmcamerarigs.com/category_s/33.htm
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4. Re: Tripods - heads and legs
Steven L. Gotz May 23, 2013 7:24 AM (in response to able123)That is exactly what I had in mind for this thread.
I have never seen anything like those wheels. I think I really like that idea. Darn it, now I have a reason to go to that expensive camera shop again and see if they have one for rent so I can touch it and feel the wheels move.
Wheels? That makes SO much sense to me. But I can't spend twice as much for a tripod as I did on the camera. No matter how much I want one. I just can't. Sigh!
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able123 May 23, 2013 7:27 AM (in response to able123)cons of using wheeled head...
Since both your hands are as camera operator on the wheels...you cannot use a follow focus or zoom motor .. in other words your hands are tied up on the wheels, so you need an assistant to pull focus and zoom... it is basically at least a 2 man piece of equipment if you need to follow focus and zoom during shot...
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6. Re: Tripods - heads and legs
able123 May 23, 2013 7:33 AM (in response to able123)yeah, it is maybe cool to at least " know " about some stuff used even if you never use it..
Even just doing a diagonal with the wheels is hard to do until you get used to using the wheels.. it really takes a very long time of practice to get coordinated ( left and right hands ...its kinda like an etch a sketch ).
But boy, talk about nice moves ! You can't beat it...the pro heads have 3 speeds ( gear changes ) for both wheels, numbered 1 to 3...3 being the fastest.
There is also a built in tilt wedge on the panahead and arri head...allowing for very steep angles. There is a Worrall head ( which I think was the first wheeled type head built ? )
http://geared-head.net/2011/03/31/the-worrall-head-is-alive-but-tiny/
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7. Re: Tripods - heads and legs
Stan Jones May 23, 2013 7:49 AM (in response to able123)Joe, we used to call this guy , Albert , THE HUMAN TRIPOD... really !
Did you work on the original Grey Gardens? Ha, ha! Too funny!
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8. Re: Tripods - heads and legs
able123 May 23, 2013 12:07 PM (in response to Stan Jones)heh.. no Stan... I only worked on some commercial things Albert did. Odd as it seems ( or maybe not ) when film people work on 'commercial ' stuff they are not into the same realm of 'credits' and resume stuff.
In other words, I may have worked on a bunch of tv commercials shot with motion pic cameras etc. but none of those are a part of IMDB resume type stuff, the don't roll credits on tv commercials.
Same with all pro film makers.. directors, producers, crew people etc. You DO hear of someone doing music videos sometimes but that's sorta in between documentary and movie and commercial.. it's in a sorta no mans land.
Anyway, I dont know if you've ever seen those tv commercials for some live theatre show ( lion king, phantom of opera, les miserables ?? etc ).. and some people ( audience members ) are coming out of the building after the show and they say stuff like , " WOW ! THAT WAS SUCH A GREAT SHOW ! I LAUGHED, I CRIED, I LOVE IT !!!! "
That's a creation of Albert. We can thank HIM for that format. He started it and it has been a big success. It paid the bills for him ( bread and butter ) over the years. That's the sorta stuff I worked on with him. Basically a bunch of stuff that crosses the line between documentary and commercial.
edit: there used to be ( and maybe still is ? ) trade mags like " advertising today " that dealt with that stuff... probably the gist of what MAD MEN ( the movie ) is based on. I got out of commercial work years ago cause I couldn't stand looking at hamburgers anymore in front of the lens and people who couldnt light their way out of a paper bag thinking they were God's gift to mankind.
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9. Re: Tripods - heads and legs
able123 May 23, 2013 1:10 PM (in response to able123)One thing most people shooting motion have to do is not only point the camera at the action but also focus as the action moves closer or further away. Sometimes with simple shots ( wide lenses mostly ).. you dont have to adjust focus as the action happens. But when you get into tighter lenses it is sometimes necessary to focus on the fly.
Some can do it by hand or with auto focus ...hand held, whatever...
Sometimes you need to get more help...
This system is helpful... but its only an 'example' .. theres other companies etc.. and this DSLR oriented.
http://www.adorama.com/ZCZW6.html?gclid=CNHEhvqArbcCFYZaMgodblsASQ
The whip...attaches into the wheel you see above.. see that little hole in middle ? thats where the whip, which is a flexible wire fits into...
The reason for the whip is it allows you or an assistant to focus without having to have hand on the lens barrel, which interferes with the smooth pan and tilt of the camera...
It gives you more ability to move your focus 'hand' with the smooth motion of pan / tilt...so your hand ( or asst hand ) doesnt interfere with that motion...
edit.. think of " snake " and how flexible it is...thats how the whip is...it " forgives " camera motion because it is flexible. I added the snake reference for Ann mostly
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11. Re: Tripods - heads and legs
Steven L. Gotz May 24, 2013 6:39 AM (in response to joe bloe premiere)Joe,
You are extremely good at finding interesting graphics to express emotion or to get a point across. And sometimes just to have fun.
Once again, I think this forum needs to add an emoticon for bowing down. Some things just deserve a little praise, and your particular talent, while a bit odd, is always a welcome addition.
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12. Re: Tripods - heads and legs
joe bloe premiere May 24, 2013 7:33 AM (in response to Steven L. Gotz)..while a bit odd...
I think in images... can't help it.
After all, we do work in a visual medium.
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13. Re: Tripods - heads and legs
able123 May 24, 2013 7:54 AM (in response to joe bloe premiere)Joe , can you draw ? Like, could you make your own comic book " COVER " ? Similar to what you posted earlier ? But with specific "characters " ?
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joe bloe premiere May 24, 2013 8:04 AM (in response to able123)I wish...
I've tried, but I suck at it.
My mother was an artist... my dad, a writer.
I would make a much better art director than artist.
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able123 May 24, 2013 8:06 AM (in response to joe bloe premiere)rats.
I just had this cool idea for documentary title and introduction.
Had thought of making a sorta " book " with photo on cover and text.. and book opens..video inside.. you know.. been used a lot...
But now I'm thinking it would be cool to do a comic book cover. Split it up into panels like your earlier post..
'the ice age'
'the homesteaders'
'the hermit'
'the railroad tycoon'
'the hotel tycoons'
stuff like that...
hmmm.. will think about it some more...
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Bill Hunt May 24, 2013 8:53 AM (in response to joe bloe premiere)Just too funny. Glad that my coffee cup was empty, when I saw it!
Hunt
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able123 May 24, 2013 10:34 AM (in response to joe bloe premiere)car rigs...another form of "tripod"...ways to lock off camera on THINGS....
I personally would not do this where you rely on the glass suction cups ...modified to use with film equipment ( basically just weld and 750 stud onto it , like the chain vice grips with stud )
As I don't trust the suction cups, and especially as I've always worked with way heavier cameras ( panaflex etc )...
But you can get into position like this and use a few ratchet straps to safety the rig ( or whatever it takes.. rope is cool if you can crank it down with trucker's hitches etc )
In the old days rigs were made with wood and rope and simple stuff that you just cut and fit as you went along...
The basics is that the DP ( or YOU ) look through lens and frame shot.. and then measure where the camera is...related to car... and then build your rig... and then mount the camera.
is fun ! Can see portion of front of car as it drives around in this case...action !
If it is still work its the same thing...same frame...and probably a little 'blur' etc to accent motion...
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21. Re: Tripods - heads and legs
Bill Hunt May 24, 2013 11:03 AM (in response to able123)Now here is a camera car:
http://www.ponysite.de/charger_welch.htm
I still think that Bullitt had the best auto chase scenes to ever make it to the big screen.
Hunt
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22. Re: Tripods - heads and legs
able123 May 24, 2013 11:23 AM (in response to Bill Hunt)my favorite is french connection, under the El train in queens...
YIKES, LOOKOUT ! GET OUT OF THE WAAAAAYYYYYY !
hehe...
YIPEE , ITS BEER THIRTY !
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23. Re: Tripods - heads and legs
able123 May 24, 2013 11:32 AM (in response to able123)For those ' mounting positions ' the arrow points to... you use this stuff.. weld it to frame of car...
http://www.metalsdepot.com/products/hrsteel2.phtml?page=sqtube
drill out and tap ( thread ) for 3/8" bolts...so you can lock down
PIPE that fits into the square tubing..using 1 1/2" black pipe schedule 40...and that black pipe is your pick point...extended from square tubing....so you got room to attach stuff to the pipe.
Last job where that was done for us ( is done by props / SFX in NY usually ) was men in black I think...
Jobs are getting cheaper as the years go by.. production doesnt wanna spend the money on pre lights and pre rigs... so process trailers are used more often now...or something like the ULITIMATE ARM.. ( sent you T shirts of that place , Bill )
Google Ultimate Arm and you'll see ...now you can get that camera right in face while driving really fast....
Times are a changin...
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able123 May 24, 2013 11:41 AM (in response to able123)I really love bullit movie too !!!! Obviously ! hehe... who wouldn't ???
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062765/
But the visceral feeling I get from french connection beats it.. .the sunlight through the railroad ties of the El...racing up the windshield ( reflection ) of the car... the sparks and noise of the EL as it travels... the inserts of his foot stomping on the gas and the brake...it just gets to me !
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able123 May 24, 2013 11:43 AM (in response to able123)Let me loose and I can probably get some shots like the french connection with a rig that puts my nikon on a car rig...but it would be WAY more locked down and reinforced than that image in above post with suction cups... hehe.. no way I would trust those things...
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Bill Hunt May 24, 2013 12:37 PM (in response to able123)Rodney,
I felt just the opposite. Though I did enjoy Friedkin's work on FC, that chase just did not move me at the same visceral level, that Bullitt did. I was soaked with perspiration from the Bullitt chase scene, and just went "very cool," after the chase under the El, in FC.
BTW - one of the stunt drivers from Bullitt also drove in FC.
Hunt
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able123 May 24, 2013 12:54 PM (in response to Bill Hunt)I still like FC more
A friend had this mach 1 ( 1969 ) ..the first mustang with that sloping rear window.. but it didnt have a stupid spoiler thing on it.. was emerald green... pretty.
I sometimes even got 'scared' driving it around town.. it sorta wanted to take off !
http://www.howstuffworks.com/1969-1970-ford-mustang3.htm
edit: I traded my bike for their cars sometimes.. my buddies.. they wanted bike, I drove the car instead.
Other car I traded with bike was the 67 corvette stingray... quad , headers ( closed on street )..could pop wheelies in 2nd gear from a slow 'roll '... now THAT was scary.. cause hood was so long you couldnt see ground when it came UP...
like basically flying a supercub tail dragger on takeoff. cant see runway out front !!!!
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able123 May 24, 2013 1:41 PM (in response to able123)ps.. if there is a time interval between what I was saying and what I end up saying.. and a sorta lag of storyline, a sudden disjointed plot or subplot.. this is only because I now have Jeff, Jim Simon, Kevin, Todd and some guy named MM and probably a few others ... deleting my messages as it suits them without announcing this or whatever..
I am currently being scrutinized ( posts and so on ) by many of the policemen and wannabe police.
I say this and MOOOOOOOOO to you all... in the best of spirits and a hearty good wish for having some fun !
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able123 May 24, 2013 1:46 PM (in response to able123)if you play the markets and sell adobe short ( which thank goodness you cant keep doing now without an uptick ( especially selling naked )... DONT say you hope the stock goes down ( so you make some money ). This is inappropriate behavior in the lounge !
Personally I have so many options and puts on adobe short I hope it tanks tomorrow !
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able123 May 24, 2013 1:56 PM (in response to joe bloe premiere)yikes.. mm is a girl ? OMG... now I really feel like a jerk...
sorry...I take back everything I said..
girls are smarter than guys usually and nicer... now I really feel bad ....
edit: this doesnt mean I take back what I said about Jeff and Jim though.
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Stan Jones May 24, 2013 1:56 PM (in response to able123)I say this and MOOOOOOOOO to you all... in the best of spirits and a hearty good wish for having some fun !
Woooooof!
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able123 May 24, 2013 1:57 PM (in response to Stan Jones)woof back ! hehe.. tail wagging !
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able123 May 24, 2013 2:25 PM (in response to joe bloe premiere)I know this is about tripods and legs....and right now all I can see is the legs !
ouch !
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Bill Hunt May 24, 2013 5:37 PM (in response to joe bloe premiere)Joe,
Yes, Madison is a very overworked young lady about now. She tries to do a great job, and usually does. While she is charged with the Adobe Forums, she has also been busy helping out users, who have gotten poor customer service. She wears a half-dozen hats, and does a very good job, IMHO.
Hunt
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Bill Hunt May 24, 2013 5:38 PM (in response to joe bloe premiere)Joe,
Is that an outake for Fifty Shades of Gray Illustrated, or something else?
Hunt
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able123 May 24, 2013 6:07 PM (in response to Bill Hunt)I disagree that MM is over worked or whatever..as we have no proof of that. Cerrtainly I dont have proof of that and mm was a perfect gentle person ( previously thought of as perfectly normal human before becoming a girl )
So lets please stop this stupid stuff about MM and stuff.. as it has no bearing on reality.
grrrrr....
for that matter my first reaction to jims website was one of compassion too. ..
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Bill Hunt May 24, 2013 6:44 PM (in response to able123)Rod,
Take my word for it - she is working very hard, though much might behind the scenes.
Hunt












