11 Replies Latest reply: Feb 8, 2014 2:47 PM by jwatte RSS

    CC Licensing Question for Complete Individual Membership

    edsquestions Community Member

      Does the CC licensing terms permit multiple immediate family members in the same household to use any of the CC apps on the same one (or two) computers?

       

      For example, my wife will primarily use Photoshop, Illustrator, inDesign, Acrobat and Premiere Pro.  I, however, will only use Lightroom and occassionally Photoshop.  Are we permitted to have one Complete Individual Membership if we will both be using these on the same (or perhaps two) computers?

        • 1. Re: CC Licensing Question for Complete Individual Membership
          Ankit Khurana Employee Hosts

          Hello,

           

          As per the licensing agreement, you can install the copy of software's on two computers however use one computer at one point of time

           

          Please read the Section 2.1.3 on http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/pdfs/Gen_WWCombined-MULTI-updated.pdf for further information

           

          Regards,

          Ankit Khurana

          • 2. Re: CC Licensing Question for Complete Individual Membership
            edsquestions Community Member

            With all due respect Ankit, Section 2.1.3 of the licensing agreement is inappliable to the Creative Cloud.  If you look at Section 2.1, you will see that Section 2.1 is inapplicable to Creative Cloud memberships.  Section 2.1 (including Section 2.1.3) applies only for non-membership applications.  Section 2.2 is the applicable Creative Cloud section and it is silent as to my question.

             

            Even assuming there was a similar provision in Section 2.2 of the licensing agreement that was applicable to Creative Cloud, it still does not answer the question.  Section 2.1.3 of the licensing agreement states that the Primary User can install the software on a second computer "for his or her exclusive use."  That seems to imply that only a single individual (and not another member of the immediate family in the same household) can use the software under that license.  Ridiculous result.

            • 3. Re: CC Licensing Question for Complete Individual Membership
              Ankit Khurana Employee Hosts

              Hi,

               

              Unfortunately, family member will not be able to use the same subscription however the same person can use it on 2 machines however not at the same time.

               

              I hope that answers your question

               

              Regards,

              Ankit

              • 4. Re: CC Licensing Question for Complete Individual Membership
                edsquestions Community Member

                I'm not convinced that your answer is right Ankit considering you didn't even understand the licensing agreement to begin with nor is there any restriction in the licensing agreement regarding creative cloud.

                 

                I think someone from Adobe needs to address this one.

                 

                I really doubt that Adobe intends to create a situation where children in a household cannot learn to depend on Adobe products and thereby grow into users who buy the product when they leave the nest.

                • 5. Re: CC Licensing Question for Complete Individual Membership
                  joe bloe premiere Community Member

                  The true lowdown on CC licensing allowing

                  concurrent use on two systems by Todd Kopriva:

                  http://forums.adobe.com/message/5395249#5395249

                   

                  Essentially, this makes officially legal what has already been possible.

                  Installation allowed on two systems, and concurrent use allowed by

                  the license holder (an individual) only.

                  • 6. Re: CC Licensing Question for Complete Individual Membership
                    Nitin Gupta aka LP Employee Hosts

                    Ed,

                    You are permitted to use the Creative Cloud Membership on Two computer's, Which means 'you', under 'your' login, can activate it on two computer's. No Matter who uses it, till the time, you say it is your computer, and your activation is used.

                     

                    Cheers

                    • 7. Re: CC Licensing Question for Complete Individual Membership
                      JatinDembla Employee Hosts

                      Hi,

                       

                      Using creative cloud subscription you can install and Activate software on upto 2 computer and after installing the software you can use the software on upto 2 computers.

                       

                      No Matter who uses it, till the time, you say it is your computer, and your activation is used.

                       

                      Regards,

                      Jatin Dembla

                      • 8. Re: CC Licensing Question for Complete Individual Membership
                        edsquestions Community Member

                        Thank you all for the responses.  I think I understand Adobe's position on this now.  An individual is just that, an individual.  For the record, I think Adobe needs to reconsider their licensing agreement in this regard.  It seems to unofficially encourage regular violations of the EULA.  A more reasonable approach would be to extend the permitted use to immediate members of the household living in the same residence as long as the use is non-commercial.

                         

                        Also, for the record, I think Adobe needs to spend some time updating their EULA.  There is no question that Section 2.1.3 does not apply to the Creative Cloud.  Section 2.1 is unambiguous in this regard.  There is absolutely nothing in the Creative Cloud provisions of the EULA that restricts usage of the application.  A refresh is in order.

                        • 9. Re: CC Licensing Question for Complete Individual Membership
                          Jeff A Wright Employee Hosts

                          Edquestions thank you for your feedback.  Section 2.2 in http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/pdfs/Gen_WWCombined-MULTI-updated.pdf is related to subscription membership.  In specific I believe the section you are looking for is contained in section 2.2.3 part D.  This section covers the restrictions for the membership.

                          • 10. Re: CC Licensing Question for Complete Individual Membership
                            edsquestions Community Member

                            Thanks Jeff.  Sure enough, that is where it is.

                             

                            I would still recommend that Adobe reconsider extending the EULA to some sort of non-commercial family use as noted in comment 8.

                            • 11. Re: CC Licensing Question for Complete Individual Membership
                              jwatte Community Member

                              For what it's worth, I agree.

                               

                              I had been a happy user of PhotoShop since version 6, buying upgrades every few years, until I went to upgrade from CS4 to version CS6 and saw that they dropped that upgrade option.

                              We are a family that occasionally uses these kinds of tools -- three creative kids, a photo/picture editor, and a hobby game developer. Occasional use of PhotoShop, Illustrator, and perhpas Premiere comes up.

                              Now, one of the children has an educational subscription, but that won't even let all three kids use the software on their computers, much less the rest of the family.

                               

                              If we were to pay the way Adobe seems to currently intend, we'd sign up for two "pro" subscriptions (at $50/month each) and three "student" subscriptions (at $20/month each.) That would cost us $160/month, or about $2,000 per year. That's enough to buy new laptops for the entire family every year! While I do value software, I'd like to submit that, for family use, the current Adobe plans only make sense for "the 1%."

                               

                              I'd be happy if the $20/month covered the machines of all the kids in the house. I might be able to stretch the budget to $50/month if it covered all the machines in the house. (Even though I'm pissed that my upgrade path for Photoshop was cut off last year.)

                               

                              As it is now, we learn to use the Gimp, and Paint.NET, and Inkscape. I'd rather pay an amount of money that I can justify, and stick with Adobe, but that's not currently in the cards.