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1. Re: How much future useage for CS6 for a stand-alone photographer?
rob_ashcroft Jun 23, 2013 3:06 AM (in response to rob_ashcroft)I meant to add. The upgrade is £188. That's a one-off charge and as there will be no more upgrades after CS6 that's the only cost. Photoshop under Creative Cloud (CC) is £211 a year for Photoshop/Bridge as a single app package. That's every year! You get a reduction in the first year if you sign-up by 31 July, but thereafter it's £211 a year - I'm talking about the UK here. US package charges may differ.
Ask yourself this question (when you are sober) ... "CS6 is a very sophisticated bit of software. Do I, as a small-scale photographer, really, really need Photoshop under Cloud, with all the extra inherent costs?"
Professional photographers and studios are a different case, and they will probably make their decision based on different needs and criteria.
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2. Re: How much future useage for CS6 for a stand-alone photographer?
Trevor.Dennis Jun 23, 2013 3:43 AM (in response to rob_ashcroft)So are you asking if other people think it worth while for you to move to Photoshop CC?
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3. Re: How much future useage for CS6 for a stand-alone photographer?
rob_ashcroft Jun 23, 2013 3:52 AM (in response to Trevor.Dennis)Trevor.Dennis wrote:
So are you asking if other people think it worth while for you to move to Photoshop CC?
For me, I don't think it's worth the move at all - I produce some excellent quality images using CS6, so I just don't see what I'd gain by going to CC. I'm suggesting that there may be quite a few photographers like me, who are (understandably) feeling angry, but if you take a step back and look at this more carefully it's actually not the end of the world that Photoshop has gone to Cloud. The way it has been done by Adobe is clearly not the best way to do it (in my personal opinion) but what can I, or you, do about it?
Find the best/cheapest solution that suits you as an individual/company and do it.
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4. Re: How much future useage for CS6 for a stand-alone photographer?
Trevor.Dennis Jun 23, 2013 4:25 AM (in response to rob_ashcroft)OK Rob. That's fair enough. I do worry about how CS6 will work with comuter hardware in ten years time, but these things have a way of working themselves out. As per Photoshop CC, it appears to be a poor deal as a single app subscription, but the full package is quite a bargain IMO. Just yesterday I was saying there was not enough difference between CS6 and CC to justify a move, but it is certainly growing on me. Unfortunately, a lot of what I like can be done with CS6 - it just takes a wee bit longer.
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5. Re: How much future useage for CS6 for a stand-alone photographer?
rob_ashcroft Jun 23, 2013 4:48 AM (in response to Trevor.Dennis)Trevor.Dennis wrote:
... As per Photoshop CC, it appears to be a poor deal as a single app subscription, but the full package is quite a bargain IMO....
I agree, for a single app it is a poor deal if you were previously on CS. I currently pay £180 every 18 months for CS upgrades (£120 a year) CC is costing £211 a year for a slightly improved version of Photoshop (although future changes in CC will no doubt take it further and you won't have to wait for upgrade releases). Going from £120 a year to £211 a year is a 75% increase in annual cost. So... if you can be content with a 'frozen' CS6 for the next few years you not only avoid that new charge, but you actually save money as you won't be splashing out for a CS7 upgrade that you might not actually need. We are all liable to be taken in by sales hyperbole, it feeds into our egos to have the latest and greatest.
The ideal scenario for people like me is that Adobe (you listening guys?) fixed the currently available discount for CS users for a single app (which makes it about the same cost as upgrades under CS) for 3-4 years rather than just the first 12 months. Scott Kelby suggested this the other day in this video - afraid I can't give you the timing for the relevant bit.
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6. Re: How much future useage for CS6 for a stand-alone photographer?
JJMack Jun 23, 2013 7:35 AM (in response to rob_ashcroft)Holy Cow the video you posted is an hour after ten minuets commercials and five of pure BS I closed it down. Scott and Mat clowns bye bye. At $20 a month the real price of Photoshop alone is a 80% cost increase. Till the next time Adobe raises its price. Then who knows. All I know once you buy in the is no way out you commit to pay forever or give you up Photoshop and Photoshop image file formats like layered PSD, PSd, Tiff files and other assets like Actions and Photoshop scripts. For there are no other programs that support them.
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7. Re: How much future useage for CS6 for a stand-alone photographer?
crapola Jun 23, 2013 8:52 AM (in response to JJMack)Adobe has not created a cloud. They have created a train wreck.
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8. Re: How much future useage for CS6 for a stand-alone photographer?
Curt Y Jun 23, 2013 9:06 AM (in response to rob_ashcroft)There are many users that would still be happy to run Photoshop 7 as it does everything they need to do. Unfortunately PS7 does not work well with modern computers. Probably the same will apply to CS6 in 5 or ? years. I am like many in they upgrade every other version, or perhaps even every 3 version as the new bells a whistles are really not a "must have". So ideally the monthly rental price should be upgrade cost divided by 2 years. So for photoshop in the US that would be $100/year.
THe best deal now is the $10/month single use licence for the next year as it is close to the ideal pricing as stated above. The pricing and Cloud, with no permanent fall back if you drop subscription, will continue to be blasted. How that will shake out within the next 11 months only time will tell. Also, competitors will jump into the vacuum and stir things up.
So to lower your stress level go with the flow and see what options are available in the future.
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9. Re: How much future useage for CS6 for a stand-alone photographer?
JJMack Jun 23, 2013 9:26 AM (in response to Curt Y)If you fall for the $10 come on you will start creating layer files that can not be fully processed with CS6 and new Actions and Scripts you create may also not be compatible with CS6. Next year Photoshop will cost you at twice as much a month. If Adobe does not up its current pricing structure. Who knows what Adobe will do.
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10. Re: How much future useage for CS6 for a stand-alone photographer?
Danny Michael Jun 23, 2013 9:44 AM (in response to rob_ashcroft)rob_ashcroft wrote:
Of course, there will need to be support from Adobe for CS6, in particular if any significant bugs arise. But why should there be new bugs, unless they are in relation to third-party plugins etc?
Adobe just released a CS6 patch and lo and behold they reintroduced an old bug with text handling. Do yourself a favor and stick to Photoshop CS6 13.0.4 and wait and see what happens. Don't fall into this trap Adobe has set and don't update your CS6 from 13.0.4 to 13.05 if you work with text in Photoshop.
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11. Re: How much future useage for CS6 for a stand-alone photographer?
crapola Jun 23, 2013 10:14 AM (in response to Danny Michael)The more frequent the software is updated, the harder it is to control your work.
FAILED~!
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12. Re: How much future useage for CS6 for a stand-alone photographer?
Curt Y Jun 23, 2013 10:47 AM (in response to JJMack)JJMack wrote:
If you fall for the $10 come on you will start creating layer files that can not be fully processed with CS6 and new Actions and Scripts you create may also not be compatible with CS6.
That is the problem you have with any upgrade if you use the new features.
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13. Re: How much future useage for CS6 for a stand-alone photographer?
rob_ashcroft Jun 23, 2013 10:56 AM (in response to crapola)crapola wrote:
Adobe has not created a cloud. They have created a train wreck.
LOL! Curt seems to have anticipated that looking at his icon! Post 12 above.
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14. Re: How much future useage for CS6 for a stand-alone photographer?
JJMack Jun 23, 2013 3:37 PM (in response to Curt Y)Curt Y wrote:
That is the problem you have with any upgrade if you use the new features.
CC is more a trap then an upgrade.
A Photoshop only user is better off staying with CS6 and not be being trap.
While I would prefer to have the new features being added to ACR. I do not need the new improved old features with their new interfaces, new icons and new bugs. These change post processing work flow they only seem to slow user down and make more work for them. I also do not need or want the 3D tools. Photoshop is not a 3D program by design. Photoshop 3D feature is more an add-on and lacks features found in real 3D creation programs.
I want a stable image editor. While CS6 has bugs I know which bugs effect my work and know my way around most. Photoshop CS6 still occasionally crashes from time to time but now on my new machine it only seems to happen in SciptUIFlex and I can use Photoshop for days without a crash. Today was not one of them.
To tell you the truth all upgrade after CS3 have been plagued with bugs. I was not looking forward to having to upgrade to CS7.
It look like CC has its share of bugs too. Though CC seems to be starting off better then CS6 did. While there have been a few dozen bugs reported in Adobe's Photoshop Family problem forum. That is not a large number and most are not problems with CC crashing.



