10 Replies Latest reply on Jul 20, 2013 4:36 PM by Kranex1

    Rookie PP Editor!

    Geoffrey666

      Help me out here guys! Just got into video editing (music videos, skateboarding, pornography) and i'm in love with it! However i've been using my sister-in-law's mac to edit, and i think it's time to purchase my own laptop.

       

      I have  $450 dollar budget and i've narrowed it down to these two:

       

      http://www.bestbuy.com/site/HP---Pavilion-17.3%26%2334%3B-Laptop---4GB-Memory---750GB-Hard -Drive---Sparkling-Black/9226052.p?id=1219004831295&skuId=9226052

       

      http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung---Series-3-15.6%26%2334%3B-Laptop---4GB-Memory---500GB -Hard-Drive---Black/8965044.p?id=1218957868803&skuId=8965044

       

      Which one should i run with? Also, i'm not opposed to other devices as long as their not desktops and under $450!

       

      Thanks in advance xx

        • 1. Re: Rookie PP Editor!
          Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          I hope that you are not planning on using Premiere Pro for your editing and you not using one of those high compression codecs like AVCHD.

          • 2. Re: Rookie PP Editor!
            Geoffrey666 Level 1

            not sure what any of that means sir, maybe you didn't read the title but i'm a rookie editor. I'm not looking to do anything over the top just regular editing. If you'd like to explain what you mean that would be great  (:

            • 3. Re: Rookie PP Editor!
              John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              If it runs at all, Premiere Pro will not run WELL on either of those computers

               

              You MIGHT be able to use Premiere Elements... very slowly and with difficulty

               

              PC I built for my wife http://www.pacifier.com/~jtsmith/ADOBE.HTM would do very well for Premiere Elements, plus scroll down a page or two for 3 price/performance level computers for Premiere Pro... these are, of course, MY ideas about what to build, if I was building a new computer for myself... YOUR ideas may wind up being different

               

              Click the big red A at the upper left and select from the product page... then look at the system requirements for both Premiere Pro and Premiere Elements... and realize that those are MINUMUM requirements to install either program... actually running the programs for EFFECTIVE video editing is "just about" twice Adobe's minimums

               

              Adobe's MINimums http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/tech-specs.html

              This message has a really good picture showing requirements

              - http://forums.adobe.com/thread/810750

              Click the picture to expand it to readable size

              More about Requirements http://forums.adobe.com/thread/618058

              Disk Configurations http://forums.adobe.com/thread/878419

              Really Great Pic in #3 http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1100383

               

              Also, please do not post the same question twice http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1255242

              • 4. Re: Rookie PP Editor!
                Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                1.  Avoid AMD CPU's and Graphics cards they do no take advantage of the instructions set in the Intel CPU and the nVidia GPU which make processing much faster.

                2.  The screen size on your second choice is less than the minimum Adobe requirement.

                3.  While the link on the HP does not say so but I suspect the hard drive is 5400 RPM and you really should have 7200 rpm or better yet a SSD drive and the minimum anyone on the forums suggests is to have two storage drives.

                4. While Adobe may say 4 GB  of RAM minimum the least practical solution is about 12 GB.

                 

                What media are you working with?

                • 5. Re: Rookie PP Editor!
                  Geoffrey666 Level 1

                  i'm recording with a canon 500d so 1080p film. are there any laptops that meet the pp requirements for less than $450?

                  • 6. Re: Rookie PP Editor!
                    Geoffrey666 Level 1

                    am i better of just using a program such as sony vegas?

                    • 7. Re: Rookie PP Editor!
                      UlfLaursen Level 2

                      Well, I think it would be almost the same in any editing program.

                       

                      You get more "bang for the bug" in a desktop PC, but $450 would still be in lower in my oppinion.

                       

                      If I were you, I would save some more money before buying - sorry...

                       

                      Ulf

                      • 8. Re: Rookie PP Editor!
                        RjL190365 Level 4

                        With the video material that you're working with, you're asking for the impossible (practically speaking). The codec that's used in DSLR video is among the most difficult codecs to handle: It absolutely requires an extremely fast CPU, extremely fast disk system and lots of RAM just to handle it smoothly. Unfortunately, the CPU portion of the AMD A8 APU is extremely weak compared to even an Intel i3 CPU, let alone an Intel i7 CPU. Worse, the AMD CPUs implement SSE 4.x support in either an extremely sluggish or an incomplete manner. (Most modern NLEs make extensive use of SSE 4.x, which the AMD CPUs and APUs are poor at handling.) As such, regardless of the program that you're using, either of those laptops will take as long as several days just to render even one hour's worth of 1080p video content! Such extremely (and unbearably, IMHO) slow performance completely defeats the purpose of a laptop to begin with since that laptop must be plugged into an AC wall outlet to edit video at all (otherwise, the battery may become completely discharged in just a few minutes of such high-CPU-utilization use).

                         

                        In addition, none of the NLEs that support GPU accelerated rendering will work in GPU-accelerated mode at all on either of those laptops: Such a mode requires discrete graphics memory (VRAM) just for the feature to even work at all. Unfortunately, the built-in "GPU" in AMD's APUs (or any other integrated GPU in CPUs and motherboard chipsets) do not have their own discrete VRAM at all; they use main system RAM instead. This, in turn, leaves even less RAM available for programs to use. In the worst cases, the amount of available RAM may be less than the absolute minimum amount of RAM that a given NLE requires just to even run at all.

                         

                        To put this in analogy: Using such a cheap laptop to edit AVC HD DSLR material is like riding a bicycle at only 8 mph in the leftmost (passing) lane of a superhighway that requires a minimum speed of 55 mph to legally use.

                        • 9. Re: Rookie PP Editor!
                          Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          Geoffrey

                           

                          Welcome the forums, but as you see no one thinks that $450 is enough to spend for editing your kind of media.  If you would like to see what others have done with laptops, go to our Premiere Pro BencnMark (PPBM5) and when you get to that page (currently 1,311 submitted test results) you will see a tab labeled  "Computer type" and select "Laptops".  This give you only the 75 laptops that have been tested by forum members.  Notice that best tested laptop is in 384th place and that computer is at least a $2000 unit.and definitely not AMD.  As a matter of fact there are only two AMD CPU equipped and both are Phenom equipped.  You probably would score a new last place score with that HP unit if it could be tested.

                           

                          While you are at that PPBM5 website check on some of those last place finishers and see what the pricing would be,  I have been laptop shopping recently and a bargain laptop that would get you off to a repectable start. It is a refurbished unit.  It has internal space for a second drive HDD or SSD, you can upgrade to 16 GB later on and it has a GTX 660M GPU, of course it is twice your budget, so start saving up

                          • 10. Re: Rookie PP Editor!
                            Kranex1 Level 1

                            Well, I think it would be almost the same in any editing program.

                            There might be some consumer based software that would work OK like Corel or Cyberlink, however, even those come witih GPU acceleration these days.

                            You get more "bang for the bug" in a desktop PC, but $450 would still be in lower in my oppinion.

                             

                            This! Roughtly about double your money for desktop vs laptop. But that would still put you on the low end for video editng. Which by the way is likely the most intense applications you can get for a computer outside of a labratory.

                             

                            If I were you, I would save some more money before buying - sorry...

                             

                            Ulf

                            Only if you want to use a software like Premiere Pro. Either that or start now but at a much lower basic level like I did: Windows Movie Maker. 

                             

                            i'm recording with a canon 500d so 1080p film. are there any laptops that meet the pp requirements for less than $450?

                            Yep, that's kinda the way they write those things: All the lights will turn on, but it won't do very much else. You should get by with the basic cuts and transition but it would be like trying to pull a trailer wiith a Honda Civic.

                             

                             

                             

                            Good luck and don't quit future editor.