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      • 1,440. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
        lasvideo CommunityMVP

        Thinking of signing up for the @adobe Creative Cloud? Some of these horror stories might change your mind. http://forums.adobe.com/community/creative_cloud

         

        Remember to change your passwords and check your bank account for the next several month to make sure the hackers  that got all that sensitive data from Adobe don't access your accounts.

        • 1,441. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
          rainschub Community Member

          ...for Adobe! Nothing else.

           

          Can´t see, where all the features are, that make the Cloud Nonsense faster.

          (and can´t see any necessarity, why faster Apps have to be "cloudy" - I Like clear bulue sky - No clouds. A foreseeable future and to pay for the things I use. No hiring no renting if ver possible)

          I´m on my way moving away from Adobe, and since I´m looking around I found many cases where I can spare time with other applications.

          And if I add the costs to hire my own archive, when I stop my slavery -  I have to earn much, much more money than this "cloud" named nonsense can ever offer.

          No working software in times of no money! That´s CC.

          If you quit your bussines and will be able to use the software for private use (not with latest features)? No way with CC.

          Changing Software after years of use (because competition offers best solutions - a suite where all the functions are synchronized and familra in every App - same Layers, same path-handels, etc.)? Yes! But you have to pay for many years if you want to use your clients files which are in Adobe Formats.

          Simply no Cent from my side any longer.

          A 23 years user from the begining, you lost.

          • 1,442. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
            rainschub Community Member

            I did that immediately (Changing Credit Card after Adobes e-mail).

            Nice, that this company waited a month before informing us about their lack.

            They waited ONE MONTH Because they want a clean business report Event in September.

            Great Company. Once.

            • 1,443. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
              rainschub Community Member

              ...and if I add all the time running threw "Adobes" nearby useless Help-System or Trying to find help at their horrible Telephone Support...

              I wonder how to earn all the money with this "faster" "cloud"...

              (and if I have a look to all the trouble users (Discussions about "cloud") have with never ending updates, that don´t work / with verifying again and again and again... / With changing Credit Cards and changing passwords at "Adobe" and other sides...)

              Since it´s cloud "Adob"e lost my trust completely. I Will never subscripe.
              More -  meanwhile I´m of the opinion it doesn´t matter what "Adobe" will ever do -
              They will never get a Cent of mine.

              My CS 6 Master Collections will work for the years I change my software and way of work completely.

              And I can use my archive as long as I´m possible to keep the running systems (I Have MACs that use software which isn´t available any more for more than 10 years, because I have to use very old client files sometimes). I BOUGHT the lifelong right to use.

               

              Don´t tell me, that the few good features, CashCow (and nothing else it is) will help me making more money that all the disadvantages are worth.

               

              Only thing I miss is the bridge between Cinema 4D and AfterEffects - But all I heared about - It so horrible that "Beta Version" is a compliment. Now I use Autodesk & Blender more often, which can satisfy my needs.

              • 1,444. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                Can´t see, where all the features are, that make the Cloud Nonsense faster.

                 

                Have you used it yet?

                 

                 

                and can´t see any necessarity, why faster Apps have to be "cloudy"

                 

                I don't think it's 'necessary'.  It just happens to be the way Adobe is offering the newer, better, faster version.

                 

                 

                And if I add the costs to hire my own archive, when I stop my slavery -  I have to earn much, much more money than this "cloud" named nonsense can ever offer.

                 

                I've no idea what you mean by that.  The cost of 'archving' will not vary with the version of Premiere Pro that you use, or even using another NLE.

                 

                 

                No working software in times of no money! That´s CC.

                 

                That is a possibility.  But that possibility applies to any software.  I mean, you still need to pay the electric bill every month in order to edit, no matter whch NLE you use, so if you really have no money, you're in trouble.  And as it turns out, a CC subscription will probably be less than your electric bill (or your phone bill for that matter, another monthly necessity for any professional), so it shouldn't be that difficult to budget for CC just like you budget for those other monthly necessities.

                 

                Still, if you do have genuine cause for concern, you can pay for a year at a time through a third-party reseller.  That gives you a full year to come up with another $600.

                • 1,445. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                  JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                  if I add all the time running threw "Adobes" nearby useless Help-System

                   

                  I'll grant you that one.  The default Help system has sucked for a while now.  What is needed and wanted here is only a locally installed PDF to come up when clicking on Help, none of this online crap.  And we need individual versions of the PDF that apply only to the version being used.  No 'one size fits all' trying to cover multiple versions.

                   

                  But, this criticism apples to CS6 as well, and has nothing to do with the licensing model of Creative Cloud.

                  • 1,446. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                    JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                    I wonder how to earn all the money with this "faster" "cloud"...

                     

                    Here's one example.  Shooter used to hire out all his color correction and grading work to a Resolve artist.  With the new Direct Link to Adobe SpeedGrade, he now has access to all the power of a professional grading program, and can do that work in house.  That means less money spent on production.  That means more money in his pockets, or maybe it allows him to lower his prices, which can mean more clients.

                     

                    For myself, the program is just better and faster to use, which means I get the job done in less time. As most of my work is a fixed price and includes the editing, no matter how long it takes, getting that work done in less time means my 'hourly average' goes up.

                    • 1,447. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                      Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                      To heck with the PDF. I want them to go back to HTML pages that pop up in the right place when I press the F1 key.

                       

                      If I have the Titler open, I want the help file to open in the Titler section. If I hover over the name of an effect, and I press F1, I want it to tell me all about that effect.

                      • 1,448. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                        lasvideo CommunityMVP

                        Cinema 4D Help is excellant in that way. When I right click a word, the page opens with that definition highlighted.

                        • 1,449. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                          shooternz Community Member

                          To heck with..

                           

                          To heck with the PDF. I want them to go back to HTML pages that pop up in the right place when I press the F1 key.

                           

                          I want them to go back to those lovely well printed books that used to smell oh so nice!  I am sure I used to get a head buzz from sniffing  them. 

                           

                           

                          Seriously ..I am happy with the AdobeXXX_reference.pdfs that I keep on the desktop.

                           

                          Mostly used for giving advice around here I must say.

                          • 1,450. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                            TheCoroner9 Community Member

                            Jim Simon wrote:

                             

                            CC = better and faster work flow = more work done in less time and with less effort = more money!

                             

                             

                             

                            Reality of CC = ball and chain around your ankle for a monthly subscription that never ends but can always increase in price =  poor customer service = less money since some Adobe users credit card info was stolen since Adobe was hacked.

                             

                            Over 100,000 views with over 1400 replies for this thread alone, blocked comments on their Youtube account from Adobe, Adobe surveys to find out what customers think that won't allow customers to tell Adobe what they actually think if they have a negative view of a product, and over 45,000 people signed the change.org petition  -  but at least Adobe isn't facing any PR problems with negative feedback from their customers over CC's future since it's so great as is their security and customer service.

                             

                            Sincerely , from someone who use to drink the Adobe kool-aide when they actually cared about their customers and gave them choices. Now I gag when I see the Adobe Kool-aide.

                            • 1,451. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                              Andy Bay Community Member

                              No matter how sick we feel of what Adobe has become, there is one thing to remember. Free markets have a habit of correcting errors. They punish bad decisions and reward good decisions. What Adobe has done here will eventually be a very good thing for all of us. How come? Because it will open up the markets for new innovators that will create far better tools for creative people than what this behemoth is capable of. Adobe is doing a great service to the creative industry (but not to itself) by letting new players enter the market. People all around the world are busy coding the next generation of tools for us.

                               

                              Meanwhile I will use CS6 on some machines and even CS4 on some. I just completed a big project with AE CS4 and didn't really miss anything from later versions. I could even use all my expensive plugins that stopped working with the 64-bit version, so that was a bonus.

                              • 1,452. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                rainschub Community Member

                                >> Jim Simon

                                Can´t see, where all the features are, that make the Cloud Nonsense faster.

                                Have you used it yet?

                                Why should I?
                                I read a lot about & I Hear the feedback of colleagues.
                                I Will never give Adobe a sign that I´m interessted in this horrible solution
                                Also - have a look to the discussions - I will not install somthing like the AppManager and Software which is hard (very hard) to remove.

                                and can´t see any necessarity, why faster Apps have to be "cloudy"

                                I don't think it's 'necessary'.  It just happens to be the way Adobe is offering the newer, better, faster version.

                                It just happens... ; ) ...sounds like nothing was planned. Randomly software is only rentable now....

                                I´m against companys who try to bind me in that way. And this BS was planned exactly. With all it´s risks and Advantages for Adobe.

                                And if I add the costs to hire my own archive, when I stop my slavery -  I have to earn much, much more money than this "cloud" named nonsense can ever offer.

                                I've no idea what you mean by that.  The cost of 'archving' will not vary with the version of Premiere Pro that you use, or even using another NLE.

                                ??? Hey, come on!? You know it exactly.
                                If I like to change my software (or to stop my business activity or...) - I have ten thousands of files, which I can only open and edit with Adobes slavery concept software. Useless without the Apps. So if I decide to jump of the dark clouds, I have to rent them or I have to rent the abbility to open and change them. That will make me a slave of Adobe, because I have to pay for every file I have to use. Thats a great difference to the traditional way, software was distributed. Because in the past I bought the lifelong right to use the Software. What TH you don´t understand. It´s the main concern of most users.

                                No working software in times of no money! That´s CC.


                                That is a possibility.  But that possibility applies to any software.  I mean, you still need to pay the electric bill every month in order to edit, no matter whch NLE you use, so if you really have no money, you're in trouble.  And as it turns out, a CC subscription will probably be less than your electric bill (or your phone bill for that matter, another monthly necessity for any professional), so it shouldn't be that difficult to budget for CC just like you budget for those other monthly necessities.

                                 

                                Still, if you do have genuine cause for concern, you can pay for a year at a time through a third-party reseller.  That gives you a full year to come up with another $600.

                                High Level molifying. You know, or? That doesn´t apply to ANY software. Because any other software - I bought a license - I can use as long as I want/can.

                                OK ...in times of no money was not the right term. Let´s use low money. That´s beans counting.
                                I will not pay a Cent for a solution, which let me stand alone in the rain after quitting. I own nothing after subscription. No software to work with. No software to resell. And many files which can´t be openend/edited.
                                No Thanks. Price doesn´t matter that much. I would have paied double or tripple the price of my Master Collections. My concern is about hiring files and a missing buyout. I want a serious bussiness model, "Adobe" isn´t offering.

                                if I add all the time running threw "Adobes" nearby useless Help-System


                                'll grant you that one.  The default Help system has sucked for a while now.  What is needed and wanted here is only a locally installed PDF to come up when clicking on Help, none of this online crap.  And we need individual versions of the PDF that apply only to the version being used.  No 'one size fits all' trying to cover multiple versions.
                                But, this criticism apples to CS6 as well, and has nothing to do with the licensing model of Creative Cloud.

                                We are coming closer. Right - this BS service of "Adobe" is the same with CashCow and CS6.
                                But it also shows what this "company" is doing to satisfy it´s customers. Once they had great documentations and an telephone support one can name OK.
                                Today they have a nightmare-website-help nobody is lucky with and telephone support which is able to fill an (or all) evening of radio/tv as a commedy live-show.
                                That´s the way of "Adobes" customer care

                                I wonder how to earn all the money with this "faster" "cloud"...

                                Here's one example.  Shooter used to hire out all his color correction and grading work to a Resolve artist.  With the new Direct Link to Adobe SpeedGrade, he now has access to all the power of a professional grading program, and can do that work in house.  That means less money spent on production.  That means more money in his pockets, or maybe it allows him to lower his prices, which can mean more clients.

                                For myself, the program is just better and faster to use, which means I get the job done in less time. As most of my work is a fixed price and includes the editing, no matter how long it takes, getting that work done in less time means my 'hourly average' goes up.

                                One example. Since May 6 - the coming out of evil - I´m on my way away from Adobe. As I former used nearby all the (not only the Video-) Apps of MC I tried lot´s of Software bundles the last month. And I can tell you: There are lots of solutions, which give you a faster workflow in many cases. QuarkXPress meanwhile is faster as InDesign. Illustrator was a horror for me since I began to use it. Missing any logic in behavior. And so on.

                                I don´t think you can tell me many success storys of CashCows new features. And you also have to subtract all the hazzel comes with it. Have a look to the "Creative cloud" general discussions on this forum. Ouch.

                                • 1,453. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                  rainschub Community Member

                                  Yes indeed. It´s the best help-system I´ve every seen.

                                  Also Maxon and it´s customer support are the Number one in customer care.

                                  Nothing semlls like "Adobe"

                                  • 1,454. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                    rainschub Community Member

                                    Andy Bay schrieb:

                                     

                                    ...Free markets have a habit of correcting errors. They punish bad decisions and reward good decisions.

                                    avidandadobe.jpg

                                    • 1,455. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                      Biggles Lamb Community Member

                                      Very good post in number 1452

                                       

                                      Just one problem, you are totally wasting your time arguing with Jim Simon

                                       

                                      You will never convince him that the CC system is anything but superb.

                                       

                                      I coined the phrase.........you have your head so far up the Cloud that the sun is shining.............as a direct result of arguing with Jim, now I ignore his ramblings.

                                       

                                      I acknowlege his knowledge of Premiere but he is an Avid (no pun intended unless you think that it is funny) supportor of the CC system and he fails to see anyones view opposing his as valid

                                       

                                      You have been advised

                                       

                                      Col

                                      • 1,456. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                        TheCoroner9 Community Member

                                        Adobe forgot their own words

                                         

                                         

                                        "What we don’t love is anybody taking away

                                        your freedom to choose what you create, how you create it,"

                                         

                                        Which is exactly what CC did - take away freedom of choice.

                                        When a company like Adobe can go from the above statement in 2010 to what we have today in 2013 - I, along with many former customers, can no longer trust them with my business. Pure and simple.

                                        They can continue to try to win the CC battle all the want but they have already lost the war.

                                        • 1,457. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                          lasvideo CommunityMVP

                                          Nice irony with that historic quote. And +1 on your observation.

                                          • 1,458. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                            Snarky McSnarkster Community Member

                                            I am right!

                                            All of you are wrong!

                                            I always get the last word!

                                             

                                            - Jim Simon

                                             

                                            Snarky enuf?

                                            • 1,459. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                              shooternz Community Member

                                              Interesting for a first post.

                                               

                                              [Inflammatory comment removed.]

                                               

                                              Message edited by Jim Simon

                                              • 1,460. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                                Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                                                People all around the world are busy coding the next generation of tools for us.

                                                You could very well be right. It is too early to tell, I think. It is certainly an interesting thought.

                                                 

                                                The problem with breaking in to the broader market with new tools is that the startup price for Adobe products might be too low to compete against. At least for now.

                                                 

                                                Yet, as you obviously know, any really good new tool has a chance to get the attention of a lot of people, very quickly. So a product aimed at experienced editors would certainly have a chance to succeed.

                                                • 1,461. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                                  Snarky McSnarkster Community Member

                                                  [Insult removed.]

                                                   

                                                  Message edited by Jim Simon

                                                  • 1,462. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                                    JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                                                    Have you used it yet?

                                                    Why should I?

                                                     

                                                    Well, actually using the new version is the best way to get a sense of the improvements.  Otherwise (to paraphrase Heinlein) you wouldn't know, you would simply have been told.

                                                    • 1,463. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                                      JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                                                      I don't think it's 'necessary'.  It just happens to be the way Adobe is offering the newer, better, faster version.

                                                      It just happens... ; ) ...sounds like nothing was planned.

                                                       

                                                      There's not much use in discussing this point if you're going to purposely misunderstand what I actually said, so I'll move on to the other points.

                                                      • 1,464. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                                        JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                                                        if I decide to jump of the dark clouds, I have to rent them or I have to rent the ability to open and change them. That will make me a slave of Adobe, because I have to pay for every file I have to use.

                                                         

                                                        That's partially correct.  If you decide to end your subscription, you will not be able to work on older projects.  However, it's not correct that you will have to pay for every file you want to reedit.  You will have to restart your subscription for as long as you need to work on those older files, but you can work on as many of those old file as you wish for as long as that renewed subscription remains active.

                                                         

                                                        But all of this has nothing to do with the cost of archiving, which is what it is regardless of which version of Premiere Pro that you use.  So I'm still not seeing your point of how archiving incurs additional cost with CC projects.

                                                        • 1,465. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                                          rainschub Community Member

                                                          I read about the cloud.

                                                          I hear about the cloud.

                                                          I have employees who are using this so called "cloud".

                                                          I had resellers, that showed me "advatages" of the cloud.

                                                          I saw demonstartions of that "cloud"

                                                          (or trials of demsonstration in case of the C4D to AE bridge)

                                                          I see the discussions here

                                                          I read of the trouble here

                                                          I meanwhile know how difficult it is to remove this so called "cloud"

                                                          I´m in business for more than 23 yrs to know about the fundamental lacks of a hired archive.

                                                           

                                                          It isn´t so much about the tools itself.

                                                          The discussion is most about the DISTRIBUTION.

                                                          And for that - I don´t have to use all this.

                                                          I will never spend a cent to any company.

                                                          In my case I would have to hire my own archive (to have access to my clients files) for a min. of 5 yrs.

                                                          For nothing.

                                                          For nothing else than to open my own creations.

                                                          Simply: No. Never.

                                                          • 1,466. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                                            rainschub Community Member

                                                            No bad will behind.

                                                            I´m no native speaker (D) and I really don´t know how to translate that absolutely correct.

                                                            But it´s sounding like: It has to happen for me.

                                                            • 1,467. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                                              JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                                                              OK ...in times of no money was not the right term. Let´s use low money. That´s beans counting.

                                                               

                                                              Fair enough.  But that's a part of running any business.  Adobe software has simply moved from the One Time Expense category to the Monthly (or Yearly) Expense category.  The cost still needs to be managed, it's just now managed as you would your rent, electric or phone bill, instead of how you'd manage the cost of a new camera.

                                                               

                                                              So the method of handling the expense has changed, but not the need for handling it outright.  (Assuming you would be paying for upgrades if they were still available in the old perpetual license.)

                                                              • 1,468. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                                                JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                                                                That´s the way of "Adobes" customer care

                                                                 

                                                                I won't argue their Help system or call center could use improvement.  I would only argue that this is true regardless of the licensing model, and has no bearing here.

                                                                • 1,469. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                                                  JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                                                                  I tried lot´s of Software bundles the last month. And I can tell you: There are lots of solutions, which give you a faster workflow in many cases.

                                                                   

                                                                  If you find other software offers a better work flow, I've no quarrel with that.  My comments about the improvements were only comparing CC to older versions of PP.

                                                                   

                                                                   

                                                                  I don´t think you can tell me many success storys of CashCows new features.

                                                                   

                                                                  It's true I'm not collecting and documenting such success stories.  I told you one that was posted from another user, and one from my own experience.  If you want more, there's no harm in starting a new thread asking current CC users of their experience.  Who knows how many stories you'll get?

                                                                  • 1,470. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                                                    JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                                                                    I meanwhile know how difficult it is to remove this so called "cloud"

                                                                     

                                                                    Difficult?  It's the same process as it always was.

                                                                    • 1,471. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                                                      JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                                                                      In my case I would have to hire my own archive (to have access to my clients files) for a min. of 5 yrs.

                                                                       

                                                                      But that would apply no matter which version of Premiere Pro you use, or even whichever NLE that you use.  If it doesn't, I'm missing something.

                                                                      • 1,472. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                                                        JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                                                                        I really don´t know how to translate that absolutely correct.

                                                                         

                                                                        It means it's not necessary for Adobe to offer the newer, better, faster version via subscription.  It's just that they have chosen to do so.

                                                                        • 1,473. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                                                          JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                                                                           

                                                                           

                                                                          "What we don’t love is anybody taking away

                                                                          your freedom to choose what you create, how you create it,"

                                                                           

                                                                           

                                                                          Which is exactly what CC did - take away freedom of choice.

                                                                           

                                                                           

                                                                          The choice Adobe took away is how you license the software, not what you create or how you create it.

                                                                           

                                                                          And in reality, Adobe's newest version has greatly improved our choice of how to create, most notably with the new Direct Link feature to SpeedGrade, which now opens up a usable work flow for most PP users, regardless of the media they work with.

                                                                          • 1,474. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                                                            rainschub Community Member

                                                                            OK. As it is one of the/the main concern of the users, I don´t understand how you can´t understand.

                                                                            But:

                                                                            I create a few 10.000 files a year.

                                                                            I have to use/open files which are between 1 and 5 yrs old EVERY DAY.

                                                                            I have to open/use files that are very much older sometimes (not daily).

                                                                             

                                                                            Example:

                                                                            A client wants an 2yrs old fair trailer to be changed.

                                                                            Only a few lines of text should be overwritten.

                                                                             

                                                                            If I created with this so called "cloud" and meanwhile using an other App:
                                                                            Re-Subscribe, Pay for it, Download the whole Stupidity, Install the Nonsense. Bookhold the Horror. Open your File. Correct the text. Render again. Save. Delete the so called "cloud". Try to uninstall the whole thing AND HOPE that the installation didn´t modify the rest of your running system (have a look to belonging discussions here..)

                                                                             

                                                                            And please notice: I have to do these tasks nearby every day. So I have to continue my subscription for a min of 5 yrs. For nothing else than the use of my own creations.

                                                                             

                                                                            If I created with CS6 or any other fair other distribution, now also using an other App:

                                                                            Open the file, Change the File, Render agin, Done.

                                                                            No Hazzel. No costs.

                                                                             

                                                                            Next  Example:
                                                                            Think of an catalogue of my client. He wants to change the prices.

                                                                             

                                                                            Done with CC, but now I´m not longer using it.

                                                                            Resubscripe, Pay, Bookhold, Open your File...

                                                                            Convert to my new App (if possible) or copy and paste whats needed. Close the file.

                                                                            Delete, Uninstall etc.

                                                                             

                                                                            Done with CS also now using a new App:
                                                                            Decision, wether to keep that project in CS6 or to re-create with new App.

                                                                            If creating with new App: Converting or Copy and Paste.

                                                                            No Costs no Hazzel.

                                                                             

                                                                            And so on...

                                                                             

                                                                            It´s not using the Apps for something new - it´s simply for the use of my own work.

                                                                            It´s so obvious what is meant, that I really don´t understand, why you need an explanation for that.

                                                                            • 1,475. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                                                              TheCoroner9 Community Member

                                                                              Jim Simon wrote:

                                                                               

                                                                              I really don´t know how to translate that absolutely correct.

                                                                               

                                                                              It means it's not necessary for Adobe to offer the newer, better, faster version via subscription.  It's just that they have chosen to do so.

                                                                               

                                                                              It's not Better when Adobe doesn't offer their customers choice.

                                                                              • 1,476. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                                                                TheCoroner9 Community Member

                                                                                Jim Simon wrote:

                                                                                 

                                                                                 

                                                                                 

                                                                                "What we don’t love is anybody taking away

                                                                                your freedom to choose what you create, how you create it,"

                                                                                 

                                                                                 

                                                                                Which is exactly what CC did - take away freedom of choice.

                                                                                 

                                                                                 

                                                                                The choice Adobe took away is how you license the software, not what you create or how you create it.

                                                                                 

                                                                                And in reality, Adobe's newest version has greatly improved our choice of how to create, most notably with the new Direct Link feature to SpeedGrade, which now opens up a usable work flow for most PP users, regardless of the media they work with.

                                                                                 

                                                                                They haven't taken away how you create it?  Reality is try ending your subscription and then attempt to go back in to work on your files and see how your creating goes.

                                                                                • 1,477. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                                                                  rainschub Community Member

                                                                                  I don´create anything with my phone (especially nothing, which I can´t use any longer after quitting my telephone contract)

                                                                                  Adobe didn´t change its distribution model from one time to monthly -

                                                                                  They changed it from
                                                                                  "You can use it forever and sell afterwards" to "you can use it one month".

                                                                                   

                                                                                  I updated my Master Collections (and nearly all of my used software) ever.

                                                                                  And I would have done that, if they didn´t change distribution.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  No chance to get any Cent of mine for a solution that bring my clients files into dependency.

                                                                                  • 1,478. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                                                                    rainschub Community Member

                                                                                    Customer support gives the sight of a company which tells me how they think about customer care.

                                                                                    A company which has a good support, is acting on customers feedback, is competent reachable at phone support doesn´t seem to act as making money is all they want.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    "Adobe" isn´t a company who developed all these Apps.

                                                                                    They nearby bought the whole competition one by one.

                                                                                    It´s akind of holding, whose FIRST interesst is making money. Wall Street lucky.

                                                                                    And it seems, customer comes a little bit later here.

                                                                                    • 1,479. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
                                                                                      JSS1138 CommunityMVP
                                                                                      I acknowledge [Jim's] knowledge of Premiere but he is an avid supporter of the CC system and he fails to see anyone's view opposing his as valid

                                                                                       

                                                                                      That's not entirely correct.  I am a fan of the new possibilities the subscription system offers.  We've now had two feature updates since CC was released, one of them pretty major to my mind (Direct Link).  I very much like that Adobe was able to bring those to us significantly quicker than they would have with the perpetual license model.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      But it's not "anyone's view opposing mine" that I fail to see as valid, it's that I do see false and illogical arguments as such, and I call them out.  Put forth a valid argument, such as CC costing more for a particular user, and I've no quarrel.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      I also have no problem with Adobe offering a buyout option so users can work on old projects, nor do I have an issue with Adobe offering the perpetual license as a second option.  (Unless doing so would negatively impact the benefits we now have with the subscription model, and I strongly suspect it would.  But if Adobe figured out a way to offer both, I fine with it.)

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