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1. Re: Any way to default on FIRST of multiple clips loaded in the Source Monitor?
shooternz Dec 5, 2013 12:04 PM (in response to PierreLouisBeranek)Basic Human Logic 101 dictates that editors would always want the FIRST clip of the list to automatically be displayed rather than the LAST
Not sure why?.
List building usually runs and builds top to bottom on a page
Depends if you shot in order.
What suits some wont suit others.
No harm FR ing it. (Do it if it makes you happy)
Cant see much time or effort involved in clicking to top of the list.
I rarely bring multiple clips in simultaneously anyway and I keep the list in there as short as possible.
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2. Re: Any way to default on FIRST of multiple clips loaded in the Source Monitor?
JSS1138 Dec 5, 2013 12:10 PM (in response to shooternz)I can sympathize with Pierre on this one. Humans do make lists from the top down, oldest at the top and newest at the bottom. So why the hell does software often reverse that or show us the newest items on that list first? I think it's human nature to want to see the first item added to that list, meaning the oldest, before we see the newest. This drives me nuts with TiVo. Why on earth would I want to watch the newest episode before the older ones?
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3. Re: Any way to default on FIRST of multiple clips loaded in the Source Monitor?
Steven L. Gotz Dec 5, 2013 12:20 PM (in response to JSS1138)The reasoning behind the programming is simple.
When you put a stack of magazines, or photos, or discs, on a table, one at a time, the first one is on the bottom.
So you have two choices, put them into the Source Monitor in reverse order, or, ask Adobe to let you pick up the entire stack and put it on the table the way you picked it up.
The second solution makes sense to me, so a Feature Request might get some support around here. Although I am with shooternz on this one, it is not something I do very often.
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4. Re: Any way to default on FIRST of multiple clips loaded in the Source Monitor?
shooternz Dec 5, 2013 12:23 PM (in response to JSS1138)I totally understand what he is saying and wanting.
Assumeably he always shoots in order or organises his bin files in order.
What happens to those that dont. (Like me)? I guess thats why I bring them in solo mostly.
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5. Re: Any way to default on FIRST of multiple clips loaded in the Source Monitor?
JSS1138 Dec 5, 2013 12:32 PM (in response to shooternz)I don't do groups often, either. But I get the desire.
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6. Re: Any way to default on FIRST of multiple clips loaded in the Source Monitor?
Steven L. Gotz Dec 5, 2013 6:42 PM (in response to shooternz)I am reasonably certain that the Adobe engineers could figure out how to stack them in the panel in the order they were selected, with the first on the top and the last on the bottom. Why not? Seems logical, right?
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7. Re: Any way to default on FIRST of multiple clips loaded in the Source Monitor?
JSS1138 Dec 5, 2013 6:43 PM (in response to Steven L. Gotz)They already do stack them properly. The issue is that it doesn't show them that way, it starts at the end (bottom) of the list, instead of the beginning (top) where it should.
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8. Re: Any way to default on FIRST of multiple clips loaded in the Source Monitor?
Steven L. Gotz Dec 5, 2013 6:55 PM (in response to JSS1138)Now that I am home, I see what you mean. That should be a very simple fix. Just show the first one on the list. They ARE in the right order, as you pointed out. So all Adobe has to do is start at the beginning instead of sitting at the end. Heck, that seems like a good one for one of those trade shows where they have an engineer code it right there in front of everyone.
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9. Re: Any way to default on FIRST of multiple clips loaded in the Source Monitor?
JSS1138 Dec 5, 2013 7:00 PM (in response to Steven L. Gotz)It may not be that easy. I suspect the behavior is the result of the Source Monitor showing the last loaded clip, which is by design and what we all want. It'd be frustrating as hell if you loaded a clip and it didn't show right away.
So Adobe would have to add code that make this behavior different for a stack of clips than it is for a single clip. I suspect it's more work than a simple line change.
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10. Re: Any way to default on FIRST of multiple clips loaded in the Source Monitor?
shooternz Dec 5, 2013 7:41 PM (in response to JSS1138)Exactly.
You add say a single clipt to a list already loaded in the Source Monitorand you do not want the SOurce Monitor to jump away to the top.
How hard is it actually to click where ever you want to start from.
I dont get this constant need for the app to think for the user trying to save 1/2 a second.
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11. Re: Any way to default on FIRST of multiple clips loaded in the Source Monitor?
JSS1138 Dec 5, 2013 7:44 PM (in response to shooternz)I'm torn myself. I think the current behavior is wrong, but I also think there are probably a hundred other things I'd rather see Adobe work on first.
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12. Re: Any way to default on FIRST of multiple clips loaded in the Source Monitor?
shooternz Dec 5, 2013 8:01 PM (in response to JSS1138)If its wrong...how come this is the first time its ever , ever...been mentioned and first time you have ever commented on it?
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13. Re: Any way to default on FIRST of multiple clips loaded in the Source Monitor?
JSS1138 Dec 5, 2013 8:03 PM (in response to shooternz)Like I said, I don't load groups of clips that often.
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14. Re: Any way to default on FIRST of multiple clips loaded in the Source Monitor?
Steven L. Gotz Dec 5, 2013 8:58 PM (in response to JSS1138)Neither do I. It happens now and then, but I tried it tonight and realized that I generlly work from back to front, going through the list revoewing video until I see the first one, then I start actually working.
So I guess I adopted a workflow that fits the software without even thinking about it.
But I think it should start with the first. It is highly likely that the software knows that it has more than one clip and a single line of code mught be all that is required. I have done enough programming to know how to do it myself in a couple of different languages.
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15. Re: Any way to default on FIRST of multiple clips loaded in the Source Monitor?
PierreLouisBeranek Dec 6, 2013 7:24 PM (in response to shooternz)I think you misunderstood what I'm asking for.
I'm asking for the first newly loaded clip to always be shown by default when loading several clips in the Source Monitor. So if the Source Monitor already contains CLIP001 to CLIP025, and you load CLIP026 to CLIP050, CLIP026 should automatically be shown, NOT CLIP050, as Premiere currently does. Defaulting to the first clip in the list (CLIP001) when adding new clips would make as little sense as the way it currently works, so of course I wouldn't want, nor am I asking for that.
I always load 25-30 clips in the Source Monitor for trimming at a time. It's the most efficient workflow I've come up with and I'm quite surprised none of the responders work that way. I load up a bunch of clips all at once, and then set IN (1) and OUT (2) points on the current Source Monitor clip, and then send the selected range to my Timeline (5). Keys 3 and 4 go back and forward in the list of loaded clips. JKL controls playback. This allows the editor to quickly pre-select material for editing using only the keyboard. Once I finish going through my clips, I load another 30 or so clips. Quick. Efficient... exept for the fact that Adobe decided to work backwards, by always showing the last loaded clip instead of the first.
I think this would be a relatively easy thing for Adobe to fix. I won't indulge any petty arguments about what Adobe should be fixing first, second or third. That's for them to decide. I'd rather spend my time and effort bringing up topics that others haven't yet. Thinking outside the box is the only way for Premiere to evolve.
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16. Re: Any way to default on FIRST of multiple clips loaded in the Source Monitor?
Steven L. Gotz Dec 6, 2013 8:15 PM (in response to PierreLouisBeranek)We get it. The first of the group should be selected after loading a bunch of clips.
They are sorted correctly, or should I say, they are sorted the way I expect them to be sorted, it is just that the last one loaded is shown instead of the first. I agree, it should be an easy fix.
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17. Re: Any way to default on FIRST of multiple clips loaded in the Source Monitor?
shooternz Dec 6, 2013 10:44 PM (in response to Steven L. Gotz)So if you dumped a similar selection straight to the timeline...where would you like the Playhead to be positioned?
Head or tail?
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18. Re: Any way to default on FIRST of multiple clips loaded in the Source Monitor?
PierreLouisBeranek Dec 7, 2013 3:44 AM (in response to shooternz)Where the CTI appears after sending clips to the Timeline has absolutely zero relevance to which clip should display in the Source Monitor by default. Anyone who understands the mechanics of editing should know this.
To answer your question, tail, the way it is now. That way you can keep sending new clips to the Timeline in order (i.e. after the last added clip)
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19. Re: Any way to default on FIRST of multiple clips loaded in the Source Monitor?
shooternz Dec 7, 2013 12:40 PM (in response to PierreLouisBeranek)Just messing with you perpetual twiddler guys really for my own amusement.
Hmmmm... linear editors or non linear editors.
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20. Re: Any way to default on FIRST of multiple clips loaded in the Source Monitor?
Steven L. Gotz Dec 7, 2013 1:41 PM (in response to shooternz)I must admit that I am almost a linear editor using a non-linear editing tool. I almost always edit in the order in which the scenes were shot.
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21. Re: Any way to default on FIRST of multiple clips loaded in the Source Monitor?
shooternz Dec 7, 2013 2:20 PM (in response to Steven L. Gotz)That would make you a linear editor if the scenes were shot in order and a non linear editor if they werent.
It would be very rare for me ((and my usual associates) to shoot in script order due to production cost and time efficiencies.
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22. Re: Any way to default on FIRST of multiple clips loaded in the Source Monitor?
Steven L. Gotz Dec 7, 2013 3:43 PM (in response to shooternz)Script?
I shoot people teaching a class. Usually myself.
I don't need no stinkin' script! I have a syllabus!




