8 Replies Latest reply: Dec 8, 2013 3:36 PM by trshaner RSS

    LR5 and CS6

    ShacharOren

      hi,

       

      so i have encountered the wierdest problem!

       

      as i mentioned in the topic i have LR5 and CS6.

       

      like everyone i edit as much as i can in LR and when it is needed i continue editing with photoshop.

       

      the thing is that when i use the spot removal tool in LR5 to clear a dot in the image, and the opacity in on 100% it clears the dot right off.

       

      when i click CTRL "E" to export this image to Photoshop CS6 it does open it in PS BUT,

       

      when i look at the place where the "dot" that i removed with the removal tool i still see the dot but half way there,

       

      like i used the removal tool but the opacity was 50%

       

       

      this is crazy,

       

      can anyone help?

       

      i am talking about RAW (CR2) files.

        • 1. Re: LR5 and CS6
          richardplondon Community Member

          The version of ACR that your Photoshop is using, supports most of the Lightroom adjustments, but not the very latest features. One such feature, is the ability to control the feathering radius on spot removals. Previously, there was a fixed radius and one might therefore have sized the spot a little differently, or even made a different decision whether to use Clone or Heal.

           

          In order to support everything that LR can do, it is necessary to use a version of ACR which (e.g.) understands the spot-clone feathering radius that you have set. AFAICT that requires the newest ACR version for Photoshop CC; and which cannot be used with CS6.

           

          HOWEVER. The reason you are not seeing the cloning correctly in PS, is because ACR is doing the conversion job, but not quite 100% perfectly. Fortunately, you have the alternative of getting Lightroom to do that job instead, and that will be 100% - regardless of the capabilities of your PS/ACR.

           

          In order to do that, if prompted "Render in LR / Open anyway", you would select the former: Render in LR. If not prompted, you can "reset all warning dialogs" in LR settings. If still not prompted, you can manually set up an external editing preset in the lower part of the External Editing tab of LR settings. This involves browsing to your PS program executable, selecting the filetype, bitdepth and colourspace that you want, and saving under a name.

           

          When this preset name is chosen from the "Edit in.." menu, it will be LR which converts the image to a bitmap using its own full and correct knowledge of what all your adjustments MEAN, and then which saves the file to disk, and then opens that up in PS for you (as an already-saved image that you can then update further). This method gets around all problems of ACR incompatibility with Lightroom, by simply avoiding the involvement of ACR altogether... but can only be used for editing a single image, not for directly sending a group of images for HDR / pano etc.

          • 2. Re: LR5 and CS6
            ShacharOren Community Member

            tnx for the explanation,

             

            first of all i clicked the "reset all warning dialogs" and it seem that now it operates good. though it does not pops up any dialog box when i'm pressing CTRL "E" to move the image to PS.

             

            should i get that pop up window? where it sais "Render in LR / Open anyway"?

             

            it also sounds that this entire issue with LR versions and ACR versions and matching them up is so annoying,

             

            that meaning that i have to upgrade to CC now?

             

            i haven't tried that "preset" option but i'm concirned that it night not work as i am used to.

            • 3. Re: LR5 and CS6
              richardplondon Community Member

              You get the option render in LR / open anyway automatically, when your LR image uses a process version that your ACR does not understand - for example, until I recently upgraded to CC, I got this from LR5 going into CS5. If you select an option and say "always do this", you don't get given the option any more, but that choice is what is happening each time hereafter.

               

              It may be that only a slight version incompatibility is not enough to trigger this warning?

               

              Of course you can upgrade to CC, e.g. using the current photographer's bundle with LR. But that is not to say that you have to.

               

              External editing presets are perfectly easy to set up - in fact, they offer some advantages. First, you can set up for any program, not just Photoshop. Special utilities of various kinds can be used - e.g. at one time I used to access PTLens this way, before my then versions of LR or PS could correct perspective internally.

               

              But even if you do have the current PS, it may be useful to set up different presets. These give an easy way to (for example) send one image to PS in 16-bit ProPhoto, and the next in 8-bit AdobeRGB, or whatever else you have configured as a choice. The only difference is, training yourself to pick these from a list rather than using Ctrl+E (grin). It is definitely still worth getting the right default thing to happen with Ctrl+E, even if that means setting LR to do the rendering for the while.

               

              Since this is all transparently done, once you have told the warning dialog not to appear again, I don't think you will see any difference whatever in day-to-day use. But you will be certain that whatever LR shows, PS will also show.

               

              regards, RP

              • 4. Re: LR5 and CS6
                trshaner Community Member

                Richard I'm using LR5.2 and PS CS6 with ACR8.2 and I'm not seeing this issue.

                 

                It's my understanding that ACR8.2 supports all features of LR5.2 when using 'Edit In,' but NOT when you use ACR8.2 as a standalone application with Bridge or from inside PS CS6. In other words the new Feathering feature in the Spot Removal tool and the new Radial Filter tool are supported when using 'Edit In' from inside LR. I also get no Warning message even after Resetting Warnings. The image opens in PS CS6 with these new features properly applied when using 'Edit in PS CS6.'

                • 5. Re: LR5 and CS6
                  richardplondon Community Member

                  It's my understanding that ACR8.2 supports all features of LR5.2 when using 'Edit In,' but NOT when you use ACR8.2 as a standalone application with Bridge or from inside PS CS6.

                  OK, thanks. that makes sense. The same was done before with ACR 6.7 which was AFAIK an exceptional, "forward-compatible" upgrade due to the release of new LR BEFORE the related ACR and CS6 version were ready.

                   

                  ACR 6.7 gave a transparent on-the-fly conversion using the new settings, when accepting an image from LR, but was unable to present or manipulate these settings within its own interface. Accordingly, any interaction which required opening the ACR dialog, degraded back to the earlier capabilities only.

                   

                  I am unclear why in this subsequent case, resetting warning dialogs in LR should have made any difference.

                   

                  One further point: previously when such a "forward compatible" ACR version was supplied, with 6.7, LR continued to develop subtly between versions, so this compatibility disappeared again. By that time. the newer PS and ACr were available so Adobe did not further develop the earlier ACR generation. I guess we can expect the same to happen now.

                   

                  RP

                  • 6. Re: LR5 and CS6
                    trshaner Community Member

                    This link seems to indicate PS CS6 will be supported at least as long as it is available for sale from Adobe:

                     

                    http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2013/05/adobe-camera-raw-8-support-for-photoshop-c c-and-photoshop-cs6.html

                    • 7. Re: LR5 and CS6
                      richardplondon Community Member

                      a quote from your link:

                       

                      "No new features or functionality will be available in ACR to Photoshop CS6 customers as part of those updates. (No Upright, advanced healing brush or radial filter, etc.)"

                       

                      So, as thought, and as the OP has discovered: compatible in general, but not quite 100%. If the use of the new features is particularly important, this may encourage an upgrade to CC - which is I imagine, part of the idea .

                       

                      ...while to be fair, it may not even be feasible in practice, let alone cost-justified, to retrospectively add ACR 9 functionality, into the ACR 8 code.

                       

                      RP

                      • 8. Re: LR5 and CS6
                        trshaner Community Member

                        richardplondon wrote:

                        So, as thought, and as the OP has discovered: compatible in general, but not quite 100%. If the use of the new features is particularly important, this may encourage an upgrade to CC - which is I imagine, part of the idea .

                        I rarely use ACR in standalone mode and all of the new features in LR5.2 work fine using 'Edit In PS CS6'. When the support runs out for PS CS6 I'll simply 'Let Lightroom Render' the image when using 'Edit In PS CS6,' since I'm not seeing the need for PS CC yet. I do that now with all my TIFF scanner image files and never felt it was an impediment (i.e. LR does the rendering). New tools and features are helpful, but as we saw with LR5 it (i.e. new features) screwed up a lot of existing work done in previous versions (Spot removal feathering and Constrain To Warp lost) . For my requirements LR and PS are approaching the point of diminishing returns.

                         

                        I also do a lot of work with audio using Sound Forge Pro. I ripped and restored an old 1960s LP for one of my not so tech-savvy friends and he told me, "I bet you could get sound out of an old clay pot!" I feel same way about LR5 and PS CS6– You can get pretty darn good images out of an old point-and-shoot camera–How much more do we really need? Don't get me wrong, I've worked in the computer industry since 1968 and benefited from Moore's Law for over  45 years.....maybe I'm just getting old.