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1. Re: FR: Big yet incredibly simple improvement to Warp Stabilizer
JSS1138 Dec 14, 2013 8:15 AM (in response to PierreLouisBeranek)How do you visually recognize which clips they are?
The same way any of us do...add Markers. That's what they're for, to mark things.
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2. Re: FR: Big yet incredibly simple improvement to Warp Stabilizer
Tim Kurkoski Dec 14, 2013 9:01 AM (in response to PierreLouisBeranek)Pierre, this sounds like a very good idea to me. Please submit it to the Premiere Pro team via the feature request form.
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3. Re: FR: Big yet incredibly simple improvement to Warp Stabilizer
PierreLouisBeranek Dec 15, 2013 6:18 AM (in response to JSS1138)Hi Tim,
Thanks for chiming in. I'll submit an official FR and post it here.
Jim,
Are you trying to be helpful, or is your response just another knee-jerk reaction to rain on someone else's parade?
Once again, your comment only outlines your limited knowledge of editing and Premiere. You suggest we use markers to visually identify Stabilized clips. How then, do you suggest editors differentiate between markers used for identifying Stabilized clips, and those used for every other purpose? Do you really think a tiny gray marker, that isn't even visible when a track is below a certain height, is an adequate visual indicator, forgoing the need for Stabilized clips to offer a real visual cue such as a custom clip color?
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4. Re: FR: Big yet incredibly simple improvement to Warp Stabilizer
JSS1138 Dec 15, 2013 10:16 AM (in response to PierreLouisBeranek)Markers are a way to 'remember' points you have to go back to. You can navigate to them even if you can't see them.
You can change the color of a clip in the sequence with a right click, if you need something more.
The FR notwithstanding, these are both suggestions you can use now to make the job easier.
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5. Re: FR: Big yet incredibly simple improvement to Warp Stabilizer
PierreLouisBeranek Dec 16, 2013 4:38 AM (in response to Tim Kurkoski)Here's my official FR for what would be a great workflow improvement and timesaver! (Even though we can manually change the color of our clips in the Timeline, as Jim points out, I'm an advocate for smarter workflows and automization whenever possible)
*******Enhancement / FMR*********
Brief title for your desired feature: User selectable color label for Warp Stabilized clips
How would you like the feature to work?
In the 'Label Defaults' tab of the Preferences window, an eighth category, 'Warp Stabilized Clip', could allow users to set a color label so that clips with the Warp Stabilizer effect can be easily identified in the Timeline. Should a user not wish to have Warp Stabilized clips appear in a different color, then a ninth color option of [none] could be offered in the drop down color option menu.
Why is this feature important to you?
The Warp Stabilizer effect is great, but the effect takes too long to analyze for an editor to stop editing while waiting to see the results. By having Warp Stabilized clips automatically change to a user selected color, these clips would be very easily identifiable so that editors can go back to them to verify the results later. Verification of Warp Stabilized clips is essential since the effect can sometimes make things worse depending on the clip and/or the effect's settings.
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6. Re: FR: Big yet incredibly simple improvement to Warp Stabilizer
JSS1138 Dec 16, 2013 6:13 PM (in response to PierreLouisBeranek)I think the core idea is a good one. But the implementation needs a little...tweak.
I don't think the Warp Stabilizer is any more important than any other effect, and hence deserves no more 'attention' than other effects. Right now all we have as visual indicators is that very small fx badge changing colors whenever an effect is applied. That doesn't stand out so much.
So I'd suggest the new label category applied to clips with any effect applied, not just WS. And it should be a derivative color of that clip's normal color, whatever the normal color is for that clip. So that A/V clips with effects might appear a darker Iris, and titles would appear a darker Lavender, audio files would appear as a darker Caribbean, etc. And it should apply to only that part of a clip that has the effect. So an A/V clip with a video effect would have only the video portion darker, with the audio the normal color. (This is why it needs to be a derivative color, not a predefined 'same color for all clips'.)
This would make all clips with an effect much easier to spot in the sequence. I think this would be far more useful to far more editors that just a WS label, and definitely more so that that little fx badge.
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7. Re: FR: Big yet incredibly simple improvement to Warp Stabilizer
shooternz Dec 16, 2013 3:36 PM (in response to JSS1138)Basically what I suggested for Clips in Direct Link to SG
Reason for that was to make the editor aware the clip was being "worked on in SG" and alerting to the chance it would also get CC / graded in Premiere as well. ie Chasing ones tail.
THats a bad thing in CC and Grading workflows.
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8. Re: FR: Big yet incredibly simple improvement to Warp Stabilizer
JSS1138 Dec 16, 2013 6:14 PM (in response to shooternz)Any clip that came back to PP with the Lumetri effect would get that derivative color.
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9. Re: FR: Big yet incredibly simple improvement to Warp Stabilizer
shooternz Dec 16, 2013 6:23 PM (in response to JSS1138)I understand. Thats what I was suggesting some time ago. A way to ID a DL clip.
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10. Re: FR: Big yet incredibly simple improvement to Warp Stabilizer
DMH79 Dec 17, 2013 1:52 AM (in response to Tim Kurkoski)Tim Kurkoski wrote:
Pierre, this sounds like a very good idea to me. Please submit it to the Premiere Pro team via the feature request form.
TIm & Pierre...consider also submitting a FR for warp stabilizer so that editors can make adjustments to settings and then save them as a custom preset which will AUTOMATICALLY start analyzing when added to a clip. Right now, if you add Warp Stabilizer to a clip, it begins analyzing automatically. Create a custom preset of that effect and add it to a clip and you need to manually go into settings and hit "Analyze". Not sure if that's a bug or a feature request, so I may have submitted a form for both but I think it'd be a valuable time saving add. Oh!...and adding the ability to set a "max scaling %" in the settings would be nice too so that clips never scale more than you want. Oh!...and fix this stabilizer bug: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1278013 Oh!...and...(kidding, I'll stop)
Ha! Okay, so before I totally go on hijacking your thread, Pierre, your suggestion for the color labeling is a nice one...and seems simple enough that who knows it might just happen. I use this effect hundreds of times per project so I'm always reading threads on it and having the option to change the color of those clips would be nice. Then again, I don't really "lose" those clips since I've got them all over the place so I'm not sure I'd use that feature, but I can see how it would be helpful in your particular situation.
Sorry again for the hijacking. At least I kept it on topic sort of.
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11. Re: FR: Big yet incredibly simple improvement to Warp Stabilizer
PierreLouisBeranek Dec 17, 2013 6:14 AM (in response to JSS1138)Hi DMH79,
You hardly 'hijacked' this thread. Thanks for chiming in with your thoughts. It's an excellent suggestion and I'll add my own FR for this to help support your idea!
Jim Simon wrote:
So I'd suggest the new label category applied to clips with any effect applied, not just WS.
Jim, it's clear you don't understand the point of my FR. If a same color label were applied to every clip with an effect on it, it would because absolutely worthless for visually identifying which clips have the Warp Stabilizer effect applied to them, since how then would you visually differentiate between a WS clip and those with Crop, RGB Curves, Sharpen or any other effect applied? 90-95 of my clips have effects applied, mostly RGB curves, so it would become nearly as difficult to find my WS clips in this situation as it is now.
It has nothing to do with whether or not we consider the Warp Stabilizer to be 'special' or 'more deserving of attention'. That's silly. It has to do with workflow realities. The WS effect takes a long time before it's results can be seen. Other effects do not. Unlike most other effects, the WS effect can make things seriously worse depending on the source clip and the effects settings. This is why the WS effect NEEDS an easy and automatic way of being visually identified in the Timeline, for later review once analysis finishes, whereas other effects do not.
This just gave me a new idea!
How about WS clips also give a visual indication of when they finish analyzing?!
For example, any WS clip would appear in the User selected color, as my FR suggests. But until the effect finishes analyzing, the clip could be slightly grayed out. This way, users could see at a glance, which of their WS clips are ready for review!
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12. Re: FR: Big yet incredibly simple improvement to Warp Stabilizer
JSS1138 Dec 17, 2013 8:29 AM (in response to PierreLouisBeranek)If a same color label were applied to every clip with an effect on it, it would because absolutely worthless for visually identifying which clips have the Warp Stabilizer effect applied to them
Agreed. My point is that WS deserves no more 'attention' than any other effect. Your request calls for easy visual recognition of that one effect, mine calls for easy visual recognition of any effect, which I feel would be far more useful to far more editors.
it would become nearly as difficult to find my WS clips in this situation as it is now.
Mark them, as you can do now. Or, if you don't want to wait for the effect to finish, add it after editing, as most editors do with most effects anyway. Then you'll have the time to wait to see the results.
My point is, your initial FR is limited in scope. I think my treak makes it more useful in more situations.
This just gave me a new idea!
I did that in post 4. Even with the new Effect label color implemented, you would still be able to change it to something else for that one effect if need be.
until the effect finishes analyzing, the clip could be slightly grayed out.
Now that's not a bad idea. That clip could get lighter in color while analysing, and then when finished, it would turn the new darker color of the Effect label.
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13. Re: FR: Big yet incredibly simple improvement to Warp Stabilizer
JSS1138 Dec 17, 2013 8:33 AM (in response to DMH79)I use this effect hundreds of times per project
Duuude...time to crack open that piggy bank.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/browse/Tripods-Stabilizers-Rigging/ci/8311/N/4028759252
Or at least, hire someone with decent handheld skills.
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14. Re: FR: Big yet incredibly simple improvement to Warp Stabilizer
DMH79 Dec 17, 2013 11:40 AM (in response to JSS1138)Jim Simon wrote:
I use this effect hundreds of times per project
Duuude...time to crack open that piggy bank.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/browse/Tripods-Stabilizers-Rigging/ci/83 11/N/4028759252
Or at least, hire someone with decent handheld skills.
Haha! Good one Jim. Tripods, huh?...I'll have to look into those things.
It sounds strange but I've developed a style of shooting that's entirely based on what I can smooth out in post. It gives me the FREEDOM to get dolly-looking shots, slider-looking shots, steadicam-looking shots and crane-looking shots...all without having to lug around a single dolly, slider, crane or steadicam at each wedding we shoot. That extra freedom means I get 2-3 times as much cinematic content at the expense of a few hours in post. For me, it's worth every minute. Without warp stabilizer, I'd probably have developed (or followed) an entirely different way of doing things but then I'd just look like the rest. It's taken 2 years of trial and error to know what will stabilize and what won't, but I'd say being a little "different" has paid off.
Thanks Pierre for adding my stabilizer "ideas/fixes" to your submissions.
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15. Re: FR: Big yet incredibly simple improvement to Warp Stabilizer
PierreLouisBeranek Dec 17, 2013 5:49 PM (in response to JSS1138)Jim Simon wrote:
Your request calls for easy visual recognition of that one effect, mine calls for easy visual recognition of any effect, which I feel would be far more useful to far more editors.
Be as it may, even though I highly doubt that editors need an easier way to determine which clips have any effect applied in general, WS clips would still have to have a different color, otherwise editors wouldn't be able to differentiate WS effects from any other old effect that simply does not require the editor pause or return later to see the results. I've explained this pretty clearly but it seems you're determined to not get it.
Jim Simon wrote:
Or, if you don't want to wait for the effect to finish, add it after editing, as most editors do with most effects anyway. Then you'll have the time to wait to see the results.
Adding effects is part of editing, or isn't it? In case you don't know, editors work differently. If I want to add effects as I do my cuts, what's wrong with that? The software should be intelligent and flexible enough to accommodate a user's workflow. And if it isn't, then it should be improved. If you're an advocate against this kind of progress and think users should adapt to and accept a programs limitations, rather than speak up, which version of Premiere are you using? 4.1?
Jim Simon wrote:
Mark them, as you can do now.
The whole point of this thread and FR is for Premiere to remove steps from our workflow! Still don't get it, do you?
It seems that every time I expose a limitation in Premiere or an area for improvement, you suggest that I should change my workflow rather than have the software improve in a way that could benefit countless other editors. At this point, I really have to ask... what's in it for you Jim? What's your point?
"Then you'll have time to wait to see the results" Is that what you do, wait 10 minutes for a long clip to finish analyzing so you can see the WS results? You're just sounding more and more ridiculous IMHO. It would be nice if overall you made more intelligent contributions to my threads.
Frankly, I'm getting tired of this nonsense Jim. If you have something intelligent to say, please, by all means. If you don't, please stop diluting the message of my threads with your nonsense arguments/comments. If you want all clips with effects applied to them to be labeled with the same color, and thus make WS clips visually indistinguishable (which is the current problem I'm asking Adobe to fix), go ahead and start your own thread.
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16. Re: FR: Big yet incredibly simple improvement to Warp Stabilizer
JSS1138 Dec 18, 2013 12:12 AM (in response to PierreLouisBeranek)It seems that every time I expose a limitation in Premiere or an area for improvement, you suggest that I should change my workflow rather than have the software improve in a way that could benefit countless other editors.
That's because I think the bulk of your suggestions are tailored to your specific work flow, and would not be as beneficial to the majority as you believe. I think most of your issues are better solved with a change in your work flow, rather than a change in PP. I think most of your requests would create unnecessary bloat in the program and distract Adobe from implementing more widely useful features and bug fixes, so I try and convince people not to follow your lead on those requests, or to change them such that they will be more useful to more editors.
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17. Re: FR: Big yet incredibly simple improvement to Warp Stabilizer
PierreLouisBeranek Dec 19, 2013 4:30 PM (in response to JSS1138)If that's what you want to believe Jim, that's your right, as foolishly incorrect as your assumptions are. Why do you think I keep asking others for their input... so that my FRs will only serve my own specific workflow? Riiiiiiight!
I'm here to see Premiere improve. My posts and FRs prove that. You're here to do what Jim? Protect Premiere from a forum that cares enough to submit dozens of FRs, althewhile asking others for their constructive input so that said FRs would best serve the greatest number of users?
It's clear to me at this point that you're blinded by your own ignorance Jim.






