7 Replies Latest reply: Dec 18, 2013 7:18 PM by John T Smith RSS

    BD exceeds disc capacity

    Elliott B. Community Member

      When I try to build a BD disc, Encore is telling me it exceeds disc capacity.  It says 25.14 GB used, out of 25 available.

      My assets are already transcoded, and they total 22.99 GB.  Aside from that, the only things in my project are 4 static menus.  Do static menus really need over 500 GB each??!  I also have a chapter playlist, but that shouldn't take up any space at all, right?

        • 1. Re: BD exceeds disc capacity
          Elliott B. Community Member

          OK something fishy is going on here, and it's not the menus.

          I have 4 timelines, three of which use PCM audio, and one uses Dolby Digital.  They are all in the right format before importing to Encore, and they are all listed as "Don't Transcode".

           

          If I set the project default transcode settings to Dolby Digital, the sum of my 4 timelines is 25.14 GB.

          If I set the project default transocde settings to PCM, the sum of my 4 timelines, is 23.61.

           

          Default transcode settings should have no effect, except on the menus.  The menus are silent, but I believe the spec requires a silent audio track, right?  Because of that, I want the menus to be PCM, so that when the user plays 3 out of 4 titles, their HDMI receiver doesn't have to switch modes.

          • 2. Re: BD exceeds disc capacity
            Stan Jones CommunityMVP

            I assume that your project panel shows your BD Transcode Status as "Do Not Transcode."

             

            Everything you add to a disk uses some space. I generally start with the belief that disks that do not appear to hold as much as they should are a problem of how Encore reports the sizes. In the project panel, Encore reports GB, as you might see in Windows explorer. But in the build panel, Encore puts GB after it, but is reporting bytes. See my comments in this thread.

             

            http://forums.adobe.com/message/4838089#4838089

             

            I don't know how this applies to Encore's calculations/comments about bluray.

             

            I do not know how it applies to the current version, but Encore has padded Bluray estimates (making it hard to fill the disk) and in some cases, broken up files during the build and potentially added size.

            • 3. Re: BD exceeds disc capacity
              Elliott B. Community Member

              Stan Jones wrote:

               

              I assume that your project panel shows your BD Transcode Status as "Do Not Transcode."

              That's interesting about the decimal vs binary units.  Stupid for one software to use both, especially with the same notation.  Maybe that's what's happening, because 25.14 GiB = 23.41 GB, which is pretty close to the number I'm seeing.  But I'm using OS X Mavericks, which uses decimal units in its file system, and all my assets measure as 22.99 GB there.  BD disc capacities are typically mesaured in decimal, so there are 25 billion bytes available.

               

              Anyhow, changing the project default transcode setting should have no effect on the file size of transcoded assets.

              • 4. Re: BD exceeds disc capacity
                Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                I'll try to play with this tonight, but may not get to it.

                 

                On a related note, you are the first Mavericks user who has not reported Encore experiencing one or another serious problems. What version of Encore are you running? (full number; most recent is 6.0.2.004)

                • 5. Re: BD exceeds disc capacity
                  Elliott B. Community Member

                  Thanks Stan.  I'm using 6.0.1.013.  Haven't seen an update in Creative Cloud yet.

                  I went ahead ignored the error, built an ISO using Encore, then burned and verified it using Toast.  The ISO is only 24.17GB.

                   

                  But the disc won't play on my Samsung BD-C5500.  I know that player supports BD-R discs, but I'm not sure what the problem could be.  Encore's "check project" panel shows 2 additional warnings, but I don't think they matter.  "End action won't execute because of end action on the final chapter point".  I'm aware of that, and the only option is to delete the end action.  Either way, shouldn't matter, right?

                   

                  Is there any software that can check a BD disc structure for problems, so I'll know whether to blame Adobe or Samsung?  The disc plays fine in "Mac Bluray Player" and VLC.

                  • 6. Re: BD exceeds disc capacity
                    Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                    6.0.1 is the latest for Mac; sorry for implying otherwise. And there will be no more updates for Encore.

                     

                    The "end action won't execute" shouldn't matter, but it may.

                     

                    I don't know of a program to check BD structure.

                    • 7. Re: BD exceeds disc capacity
                      John T Smith CommunityMVP

                      Here is another message about not working in a Samsung player http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1360739?tstart=0