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Steven L. Gotz Jan 25, 2014 4:18 PM (in response to TheCoroner9)I'll give my $ to them for each future upgrade they come out with. Happy Customer. Happy Company.
And that, my friends, is exactly how we vote in a capitalistic society. With our wallets.
Just keep in mind, sometime people vote for things and are sorry later. Like some Americans who have had their health insurance cancelled.
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R Neil Haugen Jan 25, 2014 4:22 PM (in response to TheCoroner9)Hmmm ... be happy with Edius then. As to avoiding monthly fees ... yes, I'm paying monthly ... and as noted ... for about what I was paying for "permanent" licenses (that are anything but permanent of course) I'm now utilizing quite a number of programs ... so in the old model, I've have had to write out several LARGE checks in single pops, and paid out a lot more total, than what I'm paying annually for CC.
I'd rather pay a smallish regular fee than a few irregular big ones that in total, add up to a fair bit more than the smallish ones do. And again, I'm using a lot more software than I could have afforded to use the old way. Great business choice for me.
Neil
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TheCoroner9 Jan 25, 2014 4:26 PM (in response to R Neil Haugen)Neil, I loved Adobe prior to CC. I always recommended their products when I spoke to film students.
I now recommend their competitor's products.
I, like many others, refuse to rent software. It's not about the cost of CC. CC could be $1 a month for everything and I wouldn't want it.
As customers, many have told them what we like and want to buy from, and Adobe doesn't want to take our business. They simply ignore their customer base which is growing more upset.
When you ignore customers, customers get mad. Customers complain. Few companies have good endings with products when those things happen.
If Adobe is willing to ignore the customer base which wants to pay them $ for a perpetual license. Don't think for a second that CC users won't be ignored in the future for something they want.
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rainschub Jan 25, 2014 4:26 PM (in response to R Neil Haugen)R. Neil Haugen wrote:
Your beloved permanent-license version will also die
...Microsoft also thought
keep a 'legacy' computer running
...mostly emulation does it (I have to use very old files (> 4 yrs) not constantly)
to play with the same project-file ...
...seldom play with them
So why argue about it?
...it´s only worth to discus about things I can change?
...Should I take everything as it comes, because I think, I can´t change it?beer-thirty
No doubt (really) what this means...
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R Neil Haugen Jan 25, 2014 4:52 PM (in response to TheCoroner9)Sorry, but from my experience and what I've seen ... I don't see a "growing more upset" customer base.
I do see some of those who feel they haven't been able to force Adobe to change it's model getting angrier over time. And more vocal about it. I also realize most people decide whether they like working with a company's ways or not and move on. You never hear about or from them. And that on boards like this you'll get a bigger share of those who are dealing with a problem issue than those who aren't simply because those who are having a problem come here to "fix" it, and those who aren't ... just work. And then go play.
In my region ... well, I knew of one or two pros stopped using Adobe because of the CC model. One I know is back and using more Adobe than ever. In professional meet-ups, I haven't heard it talked about as an issue in a year. And walking around, most of the laptops with people working away are showing Adobe logos on the page. So at least around here there market penetration is doing just fine.
And the "I'll never 'rent' software argument it almost incomprehensible to me. Quite a few of the business apps my business uses are subscription only. I can't for the life of me see why it makes a difference if I pay a small fee per month or several hundred every few months. In fact, I prefer the small fee. I will over time constantly be paying money for software anyway.
So ... the only practical difference is you like to pay in big chunks, I like to pay in small chunks. If you were going to stay up-graded in Adobe stuff, that really is the only practical difference.
And ... if for some really, really odd reason, Adobe's user-base keeps on chooglin' and Adobe keeps on showing a profit and running this model ... at what point will you decide that maybe enough of their user-base prefers this model for them to have made a useful business choice?
Or if ... 10 year from now ... Adobe's still a-chuggin' along with a large user-base ... you'll still be waiting for that collapse you KNOW is coming ...
Personally, I prefer the "cloud" model. Rather than having Adobe focused on doing "Splash! Dazzle! Razmatazz!" with each new iteration in order to justify selling new product for big chunks of money, I'm happy to have them pick a sustenance-payment model and just tell their coders to go get to work. Less time & efforts in the marketing/sales end of things, proportionately more in the development side of things. With a solid, sustained income for the company. They've still got to please the users just as much as before, but ... they don't have to worry about razzle-dazzle so much. Don't need razzle myself. Just support. And that's actually been better of late, I'll give them that.
Neil
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rainschub Jan 25, 2014 5:16 PM (in response to R Neil Haugen)I think, the services you are talking about, where on the same conditions from the beginning, right?
And you knew what you buy from day 1.
We once paid tremendous amounts for subscriptions of 3D Software on Silicon Graphic Machines. But we did under that conditions from the beginning
(and there were not much competitors at that time ; )You write:
"because a company changes the model in which it produces and distributes its product"
CC IS NOT the same product. You will never see any announcement from Adobe, which is named as an Upgrade from CS6 to CC. Simply not possible (as far as I know by law).
They can make offers for former users & the Apps themselves are the same.
But the product they sell is the kind of license they offer.
So CS will die after they don´t sell any longer. And CC is something new.
There are many like me, who invested not only in the products themselves, but also in infrastructures around them - like PlugIns or Databases, Content Mgmt. Solutions or other additional Software (as Pitstop, which is used for the manipulation of PDFs). With changing the Software you will lose all that. And therefore you really have trouble to change to competition.
As I see now, that Adobe kills the access to my work (without further costs) if I end the deal, and I ( ! - may be others ) can´t see a real necessity for that - I am totally assure, that this is done to chain me.Also: Changing the product this way is much more forcing, than simply change Apps.
I did all that in the trust, the things go on as they ever did (which was never guaranteed - indeed). Like many others.
I just have the feeling - I will never get away - if I want.
We will never see competition grow.As all the Apps are bundled now - it´s also much harder to get away only in parts (Video/Web/Print)
I know, that it is a little bit harder to get it for the Video-People, because the necessity of changing old files isn´t very important for the many/most of users.
It´s totally different in the printing industry - where you can call Adobe nearby an monopoly. Workflows between Graphical Art-Workers and Printing Companies is based on (Adobes) PDF, Art-Work is mostly done (85-90%?) by Apps of Adobe, and so on.
People are still depended to these Workflows even if there wasn´t a so called "Cloud". But this dependency (or monopoly) gets much bigger now, because - if you once are in - you will be bind additional with the File Formats. It´s not that easy to convert files (you achieved/you get from your clients/and so on) to competiting software.
That´s not good for those, who want to see Adobe in a competiting market.As it makes the entrance of competition nearby impossible (espec. for the printing sector). As Adobe is Nr 7 of SW-Makers worldwide - there are not many, who can do this... (and nearby none I would like to see doing this).
I have no problems with subscription-similar services, if they are logically needed. Telephone, Gas, Water - things which belong to your consumption.
The computer-service model you have given is OK (but what, if this service guy wil be paid for the use of your computer after the deal - not a good comparison, but a little bit in the direction)
But you are right: I like to buy and own. May be I´m conservative.
Also Software would be OK, when file formats are totally open & a real competition is existing.
Again: Video Apps are still having competition (and I think, that´s why we can see so many updates here, since the CC is not longer an option) - there are apple, Avid and others. The Adobe dominated Print-Sector has nearby NO competition. Hard work to avoid it... can tell you.
Also hard work for me to try writing that in a language I have no real knowledge about. Hope I could explain my thoughts.
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rainschub Jan 25, 2014 5:27 PM (in response to R Neil Haugen)R. Neil Haugen wrote:
In my region ... well, I knew of one or two pros stopped using Adobe because of the CC model. One I know is back and using more Adobe than ever. In professional meet-ups, I haven't heard it talked about as an issue in a year....
May be there are really regional differences.
But from all my business partners a max. 30% are on CC.
15% on competition
& the rest is still on CS6.
No one - believe me or not - No one I talked with here, is happy about the distribution.
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shooternz Jan 25, 2014 5:32 PM (in response to rainschub)No one - believe me or not - No one I talked with here, is happy about the distribution.
I would include myself in that matter ...but not for my own interest.
I feel for students, hobbyists and educational institutions.
Me..I have an arrangement that suits myself fine and I am comfortable with it.
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TheCoroner9 Jan 25, 2014 5:56 PM (in response to R Neil Haugen)R. Neil Haugen wrote:
Sorry, but from my experience and what I've seen ... I don't see a "growing more upset" customer base.
And neither does Adobe despite all the complaining from this very forum, to Adobe TV on youtube (where they turned off commenting), to the Adobe petition that has consistently grown, to online articles about how wonderful CC is (check their comment sections at the end of the articles and you will find many complaints), to the Adobe sent surveys geared only to give CC supporters a chance to tell Adobe what they think as they heard too many complaints prior. The growing more upset customer base has been documented in Adobe's own forums from several different people with online links/etc.
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R Neil Haugen Jan 25, 2014 5:57 PM (in response to rainschub)rains,
About the printing business ... yea, I totally understand that. Having one company be so dominant is not the best thing we'd all prefer. I prefer having both Apple and Windows going at each other ... and I wish more programs ported out for Linux's main "shades" also. More competition means more ideas tested and improved. I like that. Of course, Apple wants to dominate anything it touches too ... and then complains about Microsoft. Cool. Jobs took ideas from so many others, but like a kindergarten child, once he'd seen an idea, it was his. If someone else had an idea he liked, it was his. If he'd ever thought about using it but didn't, if someone else wanted to use it ... it was still his. Nice dude.
Really got how people like pretty outsides to things, though.
And probably there's a big difference between regions and especially between "industries". A LOT of "power" users in cine/video still are totally FCP or Avid or Vegas based, and of course ... a couple other big spendy programs also. Hey, if it doesn't cost $20k, how can you possibly say it's "professional" software? Adobe (as far as I can tell) is still trying to gain inroads to market share in that sector.
And in still images, well ... that's like printing, really. Adobe is THE Big Dog there. I've used several other apps, including Bibble and Capture One, but for us ... Lightroom and Photoshop simply do the job and we've stuck with them. As have most people. But I'm durn glad Aperture and Capture One are out there working hard at things, as are a couple other programs.
Neil
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R Neil Haugen Jan 25, 2014 6:12 PM (in response to TheCoroner9)Um ... "coroner" ... you might note that there are a number of us here posting to the effect that we do appreciate the cloud model. So ... go figure, people posting on other than an anti-Adobe rant. Wow.
And I've noted in many organizations I've been part of that a group of people who feel they've been slighted because the decisions made didn't go their way yell the longest and loudest. They seem to feel that simply by screaming the same things over and over that they can force the rest of the group to see their wisdom. And that crowd rarely ever gives up. I've seen it in our local professional organization ... some folks had issues so they created a competing organization ... and yet were still mad and complaining about their ORIGINAL complaints until the day they died 30+ years later. Wow.
Complain away. But please realize as you do ... those who may agree with you on some things but in general go along with the current model are not blind idiots, can actually make a solid financial decision that this is a usable or perhaps better model for them, and don't have to be an Adobe zombie to do so.
Adobe makes software that for the most part is pretty complicated stuff, used on ALL sorts of mechanical combinations and hodge-podges, and by people with massively different knowledge & interest levels on using it ... so just looking at that, there WILL be technical got-chas, no way around it; there will be trouble in using some features for many people because of the complicated and massive feature/option sets involved with complicated software; and some people will find it way too bizarre and others not bizarre enough to accomplish their needs, and complain about that also.
Shooternz, Jim Simon, myself, any other person noting we're ok with the "cloud" (even if not always thrilled) have all posted about trouble issues. We're not zombies, we're users. But by and large, the stuff works for us. Well enough we make a decision to keep using it.
If you are SO ANGRY with Adobe ... there's other stuff out there, you know? Or does the continuing ranting feed some inner need of some kin
And why in the world would happy users feel a need to vent about being happy users the way you need to vent? I've never seen that behavior in any other sphere myself ...
Neil
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TheCoroner9 Jan 25, 2014 6:48 PM (in response to R Neil Haugen)R. Neil Haugen wrote:
Um ... "coroner" ... you might note that there are a number of us here posting to the effect that we do appreciate the cloud model. So ... go figure, people posting on other than an anti-Adobe rant. Wow.Neil
This thread is overwhelmingly negative.Comments on Adobe TV's youtube account were negative (thus the comments were turned off).
As I said - Show me a postive CC thread from happy supporters as long as this thread is.
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Andy Bay Jan 26, 2014 2:13 AM (in response to R Neil Haugen)And the "I'll never 'rent' software argument it almost incomprehensible to me
Neil Haugen, I'm sorry you have trouble grasping why ownership is often preferred to rental. That must mean you wish to start paying rent for all your software, including your desktop computer and mobile phone operating systems.
Here's a few basic reasons to help you. Maybe you can outline which ones you fail to understand?
1. Ownership brings freedom. You buy it and you stop worrying. No constant internet-connections to your master. No credit card hassles. It's yours and you can count on that to be true forever, no matter what happens in the future.
2. When you buy to own, you know exactly the price you pay. When you set yourself up for lifetime rental, you have no idea about the price you need to pay after a few years. It could easily double or triple.
3. Ownership leaves you the ability to vote with your wallet. Don't like something Adobe does? Don't give them your money. Adobe can't punish you for that, unless you give them the ability to take away your software when you stop paying.
4. Ownership makes it possible to sell your asset, should you not need it anymore. You can't sell something you just rented, now can you?
Let me also point out, that your previous arguments about old software stopping to work are simply false. I guess you have never heard of emulators and virtual boxes, to make such a ridiculous statement? I can play computer games made in the early 90's if I feel like it. No need to worry about a "motherboard breaking".
Sorry, but from my experience and what I've seen ... I don't see a "growing more upset" customer base.
Numbers don't lie. There is more than 4.4 million CS6 licenses. How many CC customers are there? Not even half of 4.4 million, regardless of the cheap Photoshop campaign. If CC is such a hit, why isn't there already more than 4 million+ CC customers? With all the newbies running for this great "oppoturnity" of a cheap starting price? Care to explain that?
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Biggles Lamb Jan 26, 2014 8:38 AM (in response to Andy Bay)Guys
The core issue with the CC model is the removal of choice.
What is so unthinkable about having a paid CS7 and then the updates can be downloaded via a payment every six months or so?
It's the long term users that Adobe have aggrieved.
Col
By the way, why do some of you rant for an age with a long post, you are wasting your time, you are not wasting mine I ignore you?
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Steven L. Gotz Jan 26, 2014 10:04 AM (in response to TheCoroner9)As I said - Show me a postive CC thread from happy supporters as long as this thread is.
You seem like a bright fellow, so I know you know better than that.
Happy people don't come to forums except to learn or assist. Happy people are busy using the products. It was said somewhere earlier in this thread about how happy people tell a few how happy they are, while unhappy people tell the world.
I can show you more interesting threads that are quite long, but they are not raving about anything in particular. Happy people just don't do that. About anything. Negative energy is always more intense than positive enegy. It is just the way it is.
If you total up the threads that are about how to do something, they far outnumber the posts in this thread.
In any case, I am about done with this particular thread. So I will no longer be receiving notifications. Y'all have fun arguing, I am done. At least for now.
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shooternz Jan 26, 2014 2:14 PM (in response to TheCoroner9)As I said - Show me a postive CC thread from happy supporters as long as this thread is.
You certainly dig deep to make a desparate argument
This thread consists of mostly you and a few others in an echo chamber and could hardly be called a valid poll.
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Jason R Brandt Jan 26, 2014 7:29 PM (in response to shooternz)Wow. Same stuff over and over.
If you like the cloud, and it works for you, you don't need to be on this thread. Your comments are irrelevant.
We, and there are many of us (doesn't matter how much you try to ignore that fact), want Adobe to offer a perpetual license of it's software.
We know that the software is good, and works well, and does everything we want, and blah blah blah... that's not the argument.
We do not want to rent. We want to purchase a perpetual license version of the software.
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Biggles Lamb Jan 27, 2014 7:05 AM (in response to Jason R Brandt)Jason
I am an anti CCer
What is really annoying is when users post a message that is longer than WAR & PEACE.
It is irrelevant and no one I their right mind is going to read a rant.
We are not going to change Adobe policy, the best we can do is go off when the time comes and buy Edius, Sound Forge, Avid, etc.
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shooternz Jan 27, 2014 1:11 PM (in response to Jason R Brandt)If you like the cloud, and it works for you, you don't need to be on this thread. Your comments are irrelevant.
Are you serious!. Very open minded of you to call anyones opinions "irrelevant".
Do you work for the government?
We, and there are many of us (doesn't matter how much you try to ignore that fact), want Adobe to offer a perpetual license of it's software.
I know...we all know...we all heard you the first time and we understood!
You are far from being ignored in but the arguments are just "noise" due to the echo.
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John T Smith Jan 27, 2014 1:15 PM (in response to shooternz)>You are far from being ignored
Well... not ignored HERE, but it doesn't seem that Adobe is paying much attention... at least nobody at Adobe who could change the current policy
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Andy Bay Jan 27, 2014 1:31 PM (in response to shooternz)You call it just noise, yet here you are, reading it and responding to it.
Also I find it quite ironic how you say someone is close minded from calling opinions "irrelevant" while you yourself seem to have no issue calling them "noise".
By the way Shooternz, I think it was you who was ridiculing me for suggesting that NSA might be interested in the data of Adobe users as a tool of industrial spying? Did you by any chance happen to read the news yesterday about them doing exactly that (gathering foreign business secrets and using them to benefit the US)? I'm sure the rest of the world will happily allow Adobe to access all their files after this! Embrace the cloud!
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Todd_Kopriva Jan 27, 2014 1:25 PM (in response to John T Smith)> but it doesn't seem that Adobe is paying much attention... at least nobody at Adobe who could change the current policy
This is not being ignored. We forward these threads to the folks who make the decisions. We even make arguments advocating for some things and explaining context for specific communities.
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shooternz Jan 27, 2014 2:09 PM (in response to Andy Bay)By the way Shooternz, I think it was you who was ridiculing me for suggesting that NSA might be interested in the data of Adobe users as a tool of industrial spying?
What data are you giving to Adobe ?
They have my email address, my password for the forums and software. They know my name, business address and phone number. They have my serial information.
They have no credit card details of mine.
They do have a record of the crap I spout around these parts which is worrying only to myself.
Cant think of anything there ... that would be of value to the NSA.
"Noise"...yep..I am part of the noise. Forums are a conversation and reading and responding is how that works.
I am largely here for the entertainment since the arguments have long since been exhausted.
FWIW - I have never argued for against the CC model and never tried tro convince anyone either way. ( I dont care ).
I do enjoy arguing the arguments those.
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Andy Bay Jan 27, 2014 2:29 PM (in response to shooternz)What data are you giving to Adobe ?
Not much, since my workstation stays offline.
Cant think of anything there ... that would be of value to the NSA.
You must be aware of Adobe offering cloud space and encouraging people to upload their work files to the cloud? I mean it's called "creative cloud" for a reason. I believe the voluntary cloud space that we have now is just the beginning. In a few years Adobe will likely make you connect to their servers more and more to "enhance your user experience". I bet they will soon announce something like actual cloud processing. "Give your AE files to the cloud and we will render them there for your benefit".
I'm sure you can see the trend where Adobe wants to go next. That's why they bought Behance. That's why they force you to activate more frequently. And that's why they are branding it Creative Cloud. They want to have the users "connected".
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shooternz Jan 27, 2014 2:55 PM (in response to Andy Bay)I am fully aware of the cloud storage but have no intention or need to utilise it.
Figure that I am more at risk from Drop Boxes and emailing files around the place.
Certainly not paranoid that any of my work (TVCs) is "rocket science" ...or will create harm to anyone should it be "discovered.
For the record. I am appalled at the level of surveillance ...undertaken on global citizens and equally so by the "invasiveness"from all software.
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Andy Bay Jan 27, 2014 3:02 PM (in response to shooternz)Even if you don't use the cloud storage, Adobe can still connect you to the internet whenever it wants.
"The software may cause customers computer, without additional notice and on an intermittent or regular basis, to automatically connect to the internet..."
"Adobe, in its sole discretion, may (but has no obligation to) monitor or review the Services and Materials at any time. Without limiting the foregoing, Adobe shall have the right, in its sole discretion, to remove any of Your Material for any reason (or no reason), including if it violates the Terms or any Law."
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PaulM-Aus Jan 27, 2014 3:13 PM (in response to Andy Bay)
Andy Bay wrote:By the way Shooternz, I think it was you who was ridiculing me for suggesting that NSA might be interested in the data of Adobe users as a tool of industrial spying? Did you by any chance happen to read the news yesterday about them doing exactly that (gathering foreign business secrets and using them to benefit the US)? I'm sure the rest of the world will happily allow Adobe to access all their files after this! Embrace the cloud!
On an OT note, if we can take any wisdom from the Snowden/Guardian revelations, it is to assume (as the nerds have said for years) absolutely anything and everything we do on a computer connected to a network can and probably is prone to scrutiny by a third party, whether it be a major government, crime syndicate, marketing body, whomever. CC or CS is irrelevant to this particular sidetrack.
No reason not to sleep at night, just something to be mindful of should, say hypothetically, the Tea Party ever take power in the US and start burning books and locking up liberals. For there are no conservatives in the media industry. (tongue firmly in cheek)
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Andy Bay Jan 27, 2014 3:52 PM (in response to PaulM-Aus)PaulM-Aus, I think there is a difference though. I can have any of the CS packages running for years without touching the internet and that's exactly what I'm doing. My work computer is never connected to any network, not even any local ones. With CC there is just no way of keeping the workstation sterile, as Adobe can make you connect on "an intermittent or regular basis" and there is nothing you can do about it (that is if you want to keep using your programs).
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shooternz Jan 27, 2014 4:29 PM (in response to Andy Bay)I have no way to keep my systems "sterile" apart from "reasonable good practice" just because of the amount of creative and technical collaboration required.
Files of many types must come and go ..cross platform and cross facilities.
Be out of business in a month without "connections" of some kind.
What type of work do you do Andy... that you can avoid moving files and data around in such a safe environment?
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PaulM-Aus Jan 27, 2014 4:32 PM (in response to Andy Bay)It need only be a blip every 99 (?) days when required. Admittedly a key logger trojan could dump down captures in the few seconds necessary to confirm activation, but then (subscription-based) malware security software would protect again that. I think in the case you list we're talking about zero risk versus infinitesimal risk. If absolute integrity of the workstation is critical (ie. you contract for the NSA) then I'd be looking elsewhere for software. Alternatively you could try talking to Adobe and see what they offered in your situation - I'm sure they have experience working around this very issue with the odd security-critical enterprise client.
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John T Smith Jan 27, 2014 4:33 PM (in response to Andy Bay)It was in a Cloud forum and I didn't save a link, but a few days ago I read a message from a REALLY upset person who had put some files "in the Cloud" at some Adobe address and was now VERY unhappy they had no access to their files because they had stopped paying for their subscription
I personally think it was THAT PERSON'S fault for not copying their files back down to their computer(s) before stopping the subscription... but it is an example of how someone can have problems due to not reading/understanding how a Cloud subscription works
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Andy Bay Jan 27, 2014 5:12 PM (in response to PaulM-Aus)PaulM-Aus, like I quoted earlier, Adobe has the right to put you online whenever they want, without even letting you know about it. They also have the right to force you online as they wish and if you don't comply they can stop your programs from working. There is nothing that limits them to 99 day intervals.
I have one question for you:
If (and when) in the future Adobe announces that users now need to get online even more often, in order to "improve the user experience", what can you do about it? Adobe can force you online every day if they feel like it, and you have to keep obeying, if you have native CC-files that you need to access.
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PaulM-Aus Jan 27, 2014 5:25 PM (in response to Andy Bay)Me personally? Like shooternz, constant connectivity is critical to business (which is why I'm bummed we're not getting the lightning fast ALP NBN, for all those who follow Oz news - NZ: you've got Kim Dot Com's fibre network to look forward to..). Would I have issue having to get online more often? Of course not - I'm online 100% of the time anyway.
The way I see it Adobe are a corporation. Like Apple, Google and Facebook before them I assume all my corporations are trickling data to any authority with the money to buy it or court orders to force them to. Such is digital life in a paranoid market economy. Am I happy about it? Not particularly. Does it change my work practices? Not in the slightest. Do I assume Avid, Autodesk and others aren't and won't ever data mine? Not for a second.
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TheCoroner9 Jan 28, 2014 1:07 PM (in response to shooternz)shooternz wrote:
As I said - Show me a postive CC thread from happy supporters as long as this thread is.
You certainly dig deep to make a desparate argument
This thread consists of mostly you and a few others in an echo chamber and could hardly be called a valid poll.
Not very deep, I don't even have to hit the dirt with the shovel - just a fact. People can't find one. You want a valid poll? You already know about the online petition against CC. This thread is still being discussed how long after CC's released? There are quite a few people in this thread beyond me and "a few others." When online articles popup about CC - scroll down to the comments section - again mostly negative.
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1,756. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
TheCoroner9 Jan 28, 2014 1:09 PM (in response to Andy Bay)Andy Bay wrote:
What data are you giving to Adobe ?
Not much, since my workstation stays offline.
Cant think of anything there ... that would be of value to the NSA.
You must be aware of Adobe offering cloud space and encouraging people to upload their work files to the cloud? I mean it's called "creative cloud" for a reason. I believe the voluntary cloud space that we have now is just the beginning. In a few years Adobe will likely make you connect to their servers more and more to "enhance your user experience". I bet they will soon announce something like actual cloud processing. "Give your AE files to the cloud and we will render them there for your benefit".
I'm sure you can see the trend where Adobe wants to go next. That's why they bought Behance. That's why they force you to activate more frequently. And that's why they are branding it Creative Cloud. They want to have the users "connected".
Another reason why I will never do CC beyond the ridiculous subscription notion.
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R Neil Haugen Jan 28, 2014 1:13 PM (in response to Andy Bay)And what if my car starts shooting arrows at the moon? Not to be disrespectful but I would comment that some of the Angry Anti-CC Crowd seem to be able to come up with amazing scenarios to try and get us who just work as-is to be Horrified and Trembling. Really now.
Adobe is a company, which is a group of humans working sort of mostly together on a really wide range of things. REALLY wide, in Adobe's sphere. Spheres.
Could they do something vile to their user-base down the road? Same as EVERY other company out there, yea. Will they? Same as nearly every other company out there, not too likely. If they do, we're adults, we'll deal with it. And move on. Horribilizing the future tends to make the present less ... productive. Being aware of a wide range of possible changes? Totally wise. Spending one's time horribilizing? Not so wise.
As so many others, most of my professional work involves moving files and processes and data forth and back between computers/users within our own facility, and also of course to specialist vendors or to the clients. All our computers need be "webbed" for actual daily use. We have a great system's pro to work our walls and protocols ... but ... as much and as easily as we have to inter-connect, there's possibilities for a talented hacker that oh well ... back up, keep changing settings, clone your system drives ... and get back to work.
My wife and I chuckle ... darkly, I might note ... at the comment we see every once in a while "Google is Skynet!" If you understand that comment, well ... perhaps. (If you don't, google "skynet" ) Still, we have some things run through Google's ubiquitous apps. Do we trust Google? Um ... not really. But we get our work done.
And we do prefer having a ton more software tools available to us for about what we were paying annually before. And also like the small monthly payment rather than writing big chunks every now and then. So ... what's the change meant to us? More software available, small predictable monthy payments, no more out-the-door expenses over all. That's it, sum and total. Oh, and they update the product more often.
But then, we're used to paying subscription-servicing/pricing models to software vendors. Several of the other companies we deal with are totally subscription also. Can you believe it, our FINANCIAL management software is subscription! Just think of the HORRIBLE things they could do to us!
Neil
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1,758. Re: News on Premiere Next at Adobe Max
Andy Bay Jan 28, 2014 1:53 PM (in response to R Neil Haugen)Angry Anti-CC Crowd seem to be able to come up with amazing scenarios
Funny to see this attitude two days after it was revealed how NSA is participating in corporate spying to give US advantage over the rest of the world.
Will they? Same as nearly every other company out there, not too likely. If they do, we're adults, we'll deal with it.
You won't probably ever even find out that they did it. But your customers will have their marketing secrets leaked to US based competitors.
All our computers need be "webbed" for actual daily use.
All of them? Really? I have specific computers for online use and others that never go online. It's not that tough to manage, but let's me sleep better at night not having to worry about nice things like cryptolockers (google it).
predictable monthy payments
Predictable for now. You have no idea how much you will be paying after a few years.
But then, we're used to paying subscription-servicing/pricing models to software vendors.
If you love subscriptions so much, I take it that you also rent your house and car? Are you also wishing for your desktop computer and mobile phone operating systems to become subscription software?
Just think of the HORRIBLE things they could do to us!
There is plenty of competition for financial management software to keep the companies in check. Adobe thinks it has a monopoly.
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TheCoroner9 Jan 28, 2014 2:19 PM (in response to R Neil Haugen)R. Neil Haugen wrote:
Just think of the HORRIBLE things they could do to us!
Neil
Time will tell won't it..... When a company takes away choice after proudly using it in their advertising a few years ago....
When a company casts aside a portion of their customer base and ignores their business $ there is little doubt for many they could do it again on another issue...






