8 Replies Latest reply: Apr 15, 2014 4:26 PM by Astara_ RSS

    3d brushes won't tilt or rotate? why?

    Astara_ Community Member

      I haven't used the 3d brushes for a while... with the little picture of the brush tilting and rotating.

       

      I selected one today, and nada... it shows pressure, but that's about it.

       

      I tried all of my pens .. art, grip, pen, airbrush -- none of them would work.

       

      The control panel recognizes all of the brushes correct so what might be the problem

      in them not moving correctly in photoshop?

       

      These are with wacom pens with an intuos4 pad.

       

      Any ideas?  The fact that they are all recognized correctly in the wacom panel makes

      me think it has to be a software setting in photoshop?

       

      Dunno.

       

      I have been using the pens but mostly for vector input... and that's been 'fine'...and using

      the tilt functions and such with the art pen worked with regular brushes at least a few weeks

      ago, but the 3-D w/preview haven't tried for a while. 

       

      Thanks for any help...

       

      (CS5-PS-Win/Win7-64)

        • 1. Re: 3d brushes won't tilt or rotate? why?
          JJMack Community Member

          A screen capture might help that shows the Brush palette and and preset brush palette.  Only some special brushes have the preview and your machine need to have a supported GPU and your GPU needs to be enabled in your Photoshop Preference Performance section.

           

          Rotation is only available with Wacom Art pen. The other pens only have tilt and pressure.

           

          Most brushes do not have tilt set to any dynamics and Pressure can be turn on and off for Size and opacity using icon controls in the tool option bar.

          You can also set tilt to something like Shape Dynamics in the Brush palette and hold the pen above the tablet to test if tilt is working,

           

          The Wacom Control panel about button shows the info window the has a diagnostic button you can use to test the all Wacon functions are working.

          Capture.jpg

          • 2. Re: 3d brushes won't tilt or rotate? why?
            Astara_ Community Member

            While I was away... I went to Wacom's website and D/l'ed their latest driver (not that much newer), but installed it -- had to quite photoshop, but when I came

            back in it was all working again...

            Probabably some MS update walked on my driver or something, I'm guessing.

             

            I have the 3d accel setting, set -- it showed the picture, but none of them

            would tilt or twist (art pen, I know is one that twists (and shouts? ) or

            show the special 3D -panel I see now.  I never tried the 'About'... would have

            had no clue that's where to go for 'diags'... will have to try that out so will

            remember if it happens again.

             

            Thanks for the pics...

            • 3. Re: 3d brushes won't tilt or rotate? why?
              Trevor.Dennis Community Member

              While we have you here on the forum, how do you like the Art Brush, and are the Grip Pen and Airbrush separate hardware items, or settings with the normal Intuos brush?  If the latter, how do you like using them?

               

              One of the things I understand that the Art pen provides is rotational sensitivity, but when I've seen that used in a video, it looked awkward, and I couldn't envision it letting you make nice fluid brush strokes.

               

              So any experience you have, what sort of work you do, and would you go out and replace those brushes if you were to lose them?

              • 5. Re: 3d brushes won't tilt or rotate? why?
                Trevor.Dennis Community Member

                Astara_ wrote:

                 

                ........................................

                 

                Nothing in that post. Could you try again please?

                • 6. Re: 3d brushes won't tilt or rotate? why?
                  Astara_ Community Member

                  hmmm... I tried responding via 'email', which it claimed would work, but then it strips off the message?  How odd.

                   

                  I'd said (responding to your earlier quote):

                   

                  I would replace the art-brush pen, The grip was 1st primary, but is mostly same as art brush (a tad slimmer, which I liked until I started using more features of the art brush, -- Occasionally-- .

                   

                  A grip pen came with the tablet and with my wacom monitor (which is gathering dust due to it taking too much pressure to push through the monitor to the tablet)... I liked the monitor's accuracy better, but too fatiguing.

                   

                  I've had probs with RSI in the past as well, (keyboarding) so that may have sensitized me.

                   

                  Regarding the artbrush, it is good with the 3-d brushes *because* they have a 3D shape -- like a slant/diagonal.  I don't use it often enough to say I'm used to it all the time, -- but once I get it situated in my hand, I can get the feel of the slant and how to use it (or abuse it).

                   

                  The airbrush was too many knobs (1 too many), took away from my coordination (maybe didn't spend enough time with it).  I don't have experience with a real airbrush, so it may be closer to that.  I generally use the airbrush feature

                  of PS, when I need that.   I frequently use 'tilt' as a 2nd control: sometimes I want to control size,  or, more specifically, the 'brush scatter along an axis", so I use the brush vertically, for high scatter, or tilt barely touching it for lowest scatter, with pressure controlling pen flow.  After a while, I can fairly consistent results, but again, not something I use everyday, so have to usually get used to it all over again.

                   

                  The artbrush has all the features I would need -- rotation for the 3-D shaped brushes (like flat and angled), plus all the tilt stuff. 

                   

                  Hope that gives you some idea... it's not that I need all the artbrush features everyday, but when I feel the itch to try something different, it's a good scratching device.  ;-)

                  • 7. Re: 3d brushes won't tilt or rotate? why?
                    Trevor.Dennis Community Member

                    Thanks for getting back to us.   So you have a Cintiq lying unused?  Goodness, that will cause a raised eyebrow or two here.  I'd love to get one, but I just couldn't fit it into my working environment.  The main problem with a tablet, as opposed to a Cintiq, is accuracy.  I spend time practicing most days, and have been doing so for a very long time, but I still have trouble making a line pass through exactly the point I want it to.

                     

                    BTW  You do realize that you can adjust sensitivity in Wacom preferences?  I set mine fairly high to give me more control at the lower pressure levels.

                     

                    OK regards the Art Pen.  I had to replace my Intuos4 pen a while back after losing the switch, and it was not terribly expensive as I remember.  The Art Pen looks the same as the standard pen AFAICT, so if it has additional features, it might be nice to have.

                     

                    If you are not getting on with it, then you might have a look at Lazy Nezumi, which lets you draw beautifully straight lines and smooth curves, but it also has a speed controls size setting, which makes for some nice line work.

                     

                    http://lazynezumi.com/

                    http://lazynezumi.com/images/lnpPressureSpeedScaling.gif

                    It only costs $20, or $30 if you put your hand up as a pro user, and I wouldn't be without it.

                     

                    Thanks again for the feedback.

                    • 8. Re: 3d brushes won't tilt or rotate? why?
                      Astara_ Community Member

                      Wow... looks like a neat addon.  I'll have to give it a shot.

                       

                      I had the Wacom sensitivity turned up way high on the Cintiq, but it has

                      the pressure pad behind the LCD, so it HAS to have at least the stiffness to

                      protect the LCD, and you still have to have the pressure for the sensor to

                      feel you through the LCD.

                       

                      Other down side of the LCD for me -- maybe was more of a negative than I  the pressure now that I think about it.  I sit with the tablet in my lap.  The monitor

                      was WAY heavy to do that with for very long without making it's weight felt.

                       

                      So it was a combination of the heavier pressure and it's weight that made lap-use uncomfortable after very long (not impossible, just uncomfortable).

                       

                      Believe it it or not, I get more accuracy with the tablet than the Cintiq (but

                      I haven't practiced with the Cintiq as much), BECAUSE I was drawing *on* it,

                      and the slight gap between the LCD and the drawing surface.  If you are

                      'right over it', then the drawing surface is directly underneath the LCD,

                      but the further you go from 90 degrees -- especially if you use it from the side or with it tilted up on your lap, you see the picture at an angle that is *slightly* closer to you than where the sensor registers your pen pressure i.e. a minor parallax effect.  It's slight, but off as much as maybe 1.5mm, depending on

                      your angle.  Keeping yourself at 90° to the monitor surface to maintain the same position of you over touch-point was problematic.  

                       

                      On a pad, I always use the cursor posisition as seen on the screen, so it's always spot on.

                       

                      Thank you too for the tool hint...