-
120. Re: Preview Button!!!!
Hudechrome Jun 4, 2014 6:28 AM (in response to Carlos (Photoshopeando))Thanks, but I am not desperate to print at the moment. It just is weird that this particular crash in PSCC should show up just after updating ACR. Now, I don't know for a fact that the timing is correct because I don't know if the crash would have happened before actually upgrading, that is, an immediate before/after test. To check that, I need 8.4, and even that may not tell the story.
My annoyance with Jeff goes back to the "ship has sailed" comment way back. In fact, it has been corrected. The lack of respect simply because he perceives us to be "little people" not worthy of consideration, which is rather implicit in his comments, is way over the top. If that is so, none of us need to offer our expertise because it probably won't measure up.
Besides, I didn't actually name him in my post, simply stating a certain party, and with a smiley.
As it is said, "if the shoe fits.....
-
121. Re: Preview Button!!!!
ycardozo Jun 4, 2014 8:44 AM (in response to Hudechrome)That is different from before how? That's exactly what was happening before. If, for instance, you corrected a dark area that was also noisy, then went to the details pane and corrected for the noise but wanted to see a before/after of ONLY the noise action, you were instead, taken back to the default which in the case of this image I'm talking about, was now too dark to tell. Leaving me the ctl-z option. Thankfully there's that. But please tell me how this latest change is any different from the way it worked before. Sadly, there's a new camera out I want and I will be forced to update sooner than I expected.
-
122. Re: Preview Button!!!!
station_two Jun 4, 2014 9:11 AM (in response to ycardozo)ycardozo wrote:
A couple of questions...is this release of 8.5 a beta version?
Of course it is. RC = Release Candidate means a very advanced beta version that ADobe feels confident it is safe to release to the general public, but would like to test a bit further.
In all my 29 years as an Adobe customer and former customer (since 1985) I have never seen an ASdobe RC release pulled back or changed before the GM release.
-
123. Re: Preview Button!!!!
Hudechrome Jun 4, 2014 9:16 AM (in response to ycardozo)Doing the step as you described, using the new button on the Details pane resets only that pane to default for that pane. However, if you have sharpening set to a value other than default, it also resets to default (which for me, is zero for everything. So, if I want to see say the noise change, I have to use Ctrl -Z.
On another item, I uninstalled PSCC and re-installed it but it came back with 8.5 and not 8.4. The crash still happens.
Max, can you verify as to the possibility that 8.5 might corrupt PSCC?
Thanks.
-
124. Re: Preview Button!!!!
ycardozo Jun 4, 2014 10:53 AM (in response to Hudechrome)So if I install the present advanced version would I then install the final version when it comes out and would that create some sort of conflict. That used to happen with beta versions in the past, I've been told me
-
125. Re: Preview Button!!!!
Hudechrome Jun 4, 2014 11:04 AM (in response to ycardozo)I would like to know that as well.
I just did a complete recovery using System Image and I am back to 8.4.1.200. No more crashes. I am thinking of re-installing 8.5, but if there are conflicts with the final version, I probably should wait as well.
Max?
-
126. Re: Preview Button!!!!
Hudechrome Jun 4, 2014 12:56 PM (in response to Hudechrome)Ah, I couldn't wait!
8.5 is installed and now running with no PSCC crashes.
I hate riddles! I think it would do very well to be able to roll back at the first sign of trouble. Would have saved me at least 8 hrs. Of course, I could have simply done the System Image last night once restore didn't work but hey! That would be too easy!
The OS today isn't what it was last night since I rolled back to 06-01-2014 and whatever existed between then and now changed with the System Image install.
-
127. Re: Preview Button!!!!
station_two Jun 4, 2014 5:29 PM (in response to ycardozo)Good grief! No.
When the final (GM, or Gold Master) version is released, the Adobe Auto Updater (Help menu > Updates) will install it for you when you ask—not behind your back,.
Where do get these superstitious, quasi-religious fears about a Release Candidate, ycardozo?
-
128. Re: Preview Button!!!!
ycardozo Jun 4, 2014 6:21 PM (in response to station_two)No I didn't say anything about something happening behind one's back but in much earlier years I had a friend install a beta version of photoshop and when the full version came out he had problems. The final didn't install over the beta. He had to uninstall the beta first and it did not go well. This was many years ago but I've been wary of betas since
-
129. Re: Preview Button!!!!
station_two Jun 4, 2014 7:34 PM (in response to ycardozo)I've been using computers in the course of my work since the mid 1960s, The Mac for over 29 years, Photoshop seriously for some 11 years and I've never had a problem with an Adobe RC.
Plain betas are a different animal from a Release Candidate. Never install one unless you know exactly what you are doing and you're being paid to test said beta.
Simple rule: if you have to ask, don't go anywhere near it.
-
130. Re: Preview Button!!!!
Hudechrome Jun 4, 2014 7:37 PM (in response to station_two)Yes and no. I did significant testing when the i7 processor and chipset appeared (Nehalem), doing validation on an overclocking utility. We were very close to release of this utility but before we did, Win 7 RC showed up. I had to push regression and validation testing to accommodate it and in no way would we have released the utility on just the RC.
The sigh of relief in the release meeting was palpable when I sat down with the results of the final version of Win 7.
I don't think it's that much different for Adobe, albeit PS is not an OS!
I am still struggling with the infernal crash of PSCC using print command. It came back for a third time. It may be a keyboard problem because using the mouse to invoke printing worked. BUT, as soon as it did, then the keyboard worked too! With 8.4.1.200 installed. I haven't upgraded this time to 8.5. I may tomorrow. I am now suspicious of the SSD except only print command causes the failure.
Ježiš a Mária svätá sviatosť!
-
131. Re: Preview Button!!!!
station_two Jun 4, 2014 7:58 PM (in response to Hudechrome)Larry, remember that the Adobe Camera Team is a pretty independent one, led by the creator of ACR and of Photoshop itself. It would never occur to me to equate the ACR team with either Adobe itself or with Microsoft.
In any event I'm not "pushing" the 8.5 RC release in any way. I don't even need it myself, as I'm on CS6, not CC.
-
132. Re: Preview Button!!!!
Hudechrome Jun 4, 2014 9:49 PM (in response to station_two)Oh I know and agree. But nonetheless, I tread on the cautionary side.
What is it? Measure twice, cut once.
What! Only twice?
Off to bed. Been up since 4:30 AM.
-
133. Re: Preview Button!!!!
station_two Jun 5, 2014 12:59 AM (in response to Hudechrome)Hudechrome wrote:
…nonetheless, I tread on the cautionary side“
Always a wise choice, Larry.
-
134. Re: Preview Button!!!!
ycardozo Jun 5, 2014 6:04 AM (in response to station_two)I'm guessing it was a beta version my friend downloaded. I didn't know there was such a thing as a release candidate until this discussion string...which is why these forums are so helpful. I agree entirely, if one is not sure, don't do it. And is also why I try things out on one of my laptops before installing on the main desktop. Thks for the advice
-
135. Re: Preview Button!!!!
Hudechrome Jun 5, 2014 9:06 AM (in response to ycardozo)Assuming PC:
Do a Backup using a Backup utility like Windows Backup. Make a System Repair disk, just in case your OS self-immolates. Make sure your utility is set to manual. Now install the upgrade. Run your test as long as you wish. When you are satisfied, reset the Backup for whatever interval you want and carry on! If it is carrion, simply Restore from your backup and you are good to go.
Mac should have an equal (and probably simpler) way to do this as well.
If any problems arise, they will likely do so pretty quickly so your test period needn't be too long. It's a good idea in any case even if you aren't having a technical problem but you just don't like the upgrade.
-
136. Re: Preview Button!!!!
station_two Jun 5, 2014 12:42 PM (in response to Hudechrome)Typically, RC updates of ACR don't last more than 6 weeks, or substantially less, before being replaced by the final version, which often is identical to the RC.
-
137. Re: Preview Button!!!!
Hudechrome Jun 5, 2014 1:09 PM (in response to station_two)This RC does have a flaw: The Ctrl-Alt-P doesn't work, at least on my computer. A mouse click on the icon works, but not the hot key. Interesting because Ctrl-P in Photoshop brings up printing and is the failure I was noticing. But for now, it seems to be fixed. Had I noticed the flaw in ACR, I would have checked the PS Print Command in File>Print to see if that also caused the crash.
It isn't the keyboard either.
-
138. Re: Preview Button!!!!
station_two Jun 5, 2014 1:53 PM (in response to Hudechrome)Hudechrome wrote:
…The Ctrl-Alt-P doesn't work, at least on my computer…
Not clear what that shortcut is supposed to do or where it can be executed. As a Mac user and staunch avoider of shortcuts whenever possible, I would appreciate some enlightenment.
-
139. Re: Preview Button!!!!
Hudechrome Jun 5, 2014 4:49 PM (in response to station_two)Do you have ACR 8.5 on CS6? There are the tree new buttons of which we wrote extensively. Max and company added a fourth as we asked. The hot key is Ctrl (Cmd?) +Alt(Option?)+P. Not having used Mac too much, I don't have it memorized.
It's moot if CS6 doesn't have it. I posted it anyway because Max should be aware of it.
-
140. Re: Preview Button!!!!
ycardozo Jun 5, 2014 4:56 PM (in response to Hudechrome)What does that shortcut do? Meanwhile finally got internet connected again and promptly lost it because of nasty storm
-
141. Re: Preview Button!!!!
station_two Jun 5, 2014 6:01 PM (in response to Hudechrome)Larry, 8.5RC for CS6perpetual only gives us support for new cameras and any bug fixes, but not a single added feature—none of the new features available to ACR 8.5 users. No new buttons, no new shortcuts.
I'm still in the dark as to the shortcut mentioned. Obviously, it does zilch on my machines here. That's why I asked. :-/
-
142. Re: Preview Button!!!!
Hudechrome Jun 6, 2014 12:02 AM (in response to ycardozo)Shortcut is the new hot key for the individual panels. Shortcut isn't quite right as a term, think hot key.
Let me know what you think!
-
143. Re: Preview Button!!!!
Hudechrome Jun 6, 2014 12:04 AM (in response to station_two)Which is why I bit the bullet and subscribed.
-
144. Re: Preview Button!!!!
station_two Jun 6, 2014 12:15 AM (in response to Hudechrome)Oh, I'm very glad I did NOT subscribe! Very happy not dealing with having to learn new features. The whole package has been bloated bloated for a very long time,
I find myself having to go back to CS4 more than once a day.
I was just curious.
-
145. Re: Preview Button!!!!
ycardozo Jun 6, 2014 5:16 AM (in response to station_two)You say ctl-alt-p is a hot key for individual panels. I am still stuck visiting w/no access to internet. So what exactly does it do....take you to the next panel or what. Until I can get back to the 21st century I can't download to try any of this. I'm just curious.
-
146. Re: Preview Button!!!!
Hudechrome Jun 6, 2014 7:21 AM (in response to ycardozo)All it does is return that panel only to default. Think on/off switch for, say, Details, where off is default. Which is what we were after, correct?
-
147. Re: Preview Button!!!!
Hudechrome Jun 6, 2014 7:29 AM (in response to station_two)All photo editors these days have bloat. Navigating through them to find gems like this is never ending. I paid for an add-on to DxO Pro to do similar which doesn't even come close!
My subscription runs out this month. I may switch to PS/LR only and cut $30/month from costs. But then, having the rest of the programs is enticing.
-
148. Re: Preview Button!!!!
station_two Jun 6, 2014 7:48 AM (in response to ycardozo)ycardozo wrote:
You say ctl-alt-p is a hot key for individual panels…
You're confusing me with someone else. I have never said such a thing.
-
149. Re: Preview Button!!!!
station_two Jun 6, 2014 7:53 AM (in response to Hudechrome)Hudechrome wrote:
…gems like this …
Your gem shall remain hidden, as your link returns a "Sorry, this page is not available" error message.
-
151. Re: Preview Button!!!!
ycardozo Jun 6, 2014 2:09 PM (in response to Hudechrome)Hudechrome said: 'All it does is return that panel only to default. Think on/off switch for, say, Details, where off is default. Which is what we were after, correct?'
dark image where you can't see anything. I am still temporarily living in 1990 w/o functioning internet (and, no, can't get to starbucks) so I can't download the RC
-
152. Re: Preview Button!!!!
ycardozo Jun 6, 2014 2:27 PM (in response to ycardozo)I give up. I've tried to make a coherent reply now five times and the internet I'm on is barely alive (well, really not alive at all) so I keep losing my message before I can hit reply. I'll try to ask it when I get back to the real world.
-
153. Re: Preview Button!!!!
ycardozo Jun 7, 2014 6:51 AM (in response to ycardozo)At some point, a while ago, someone posted instructions on how to set up the new ACR format. It involved clicking on ... something and choosing settings. I've looked and looked and can't find it. I think it was on this forum. Can whoever did that post it again? Thanks.
I seem to have a halfway decent signal today but it will be easier to address the rest of what I was trying to say yesterday if I wait till I can get back to either a decent wifi signal or my office.
-
154. Re: Preview Button!!!!
ycardozo Jun 8, 2014 9:51 AM (in response to Hudechrome)Sorry about the incoherent replies above. Trying to answer using a phone with sketchy connection is pretty much impossible. But I am now back in my office and back in the 21st century. At any rate, what I was trying to say is no, having a fourth box that simply brings you back to default isn't what I was after. I was after a box that would undo just the action in the individual panel. That IS what CTL-Z does, thankfully, but it isn't as easy or seamless as what we had before the new arrangement. My example was an image with a dark area that I corrected in basic, then went to details to correct the noise. But when I tried to see the noise 'before' with an exposure that let me view the noise, I couldn't because it went back to the original too-dark state. So how is this fourth box different from what we had before? What does it give us that's new? Again, thankfully there's CTL-Z.
-
155. Re: Preview Button!!!!
Hudechrome Jun 8, 2014 2:35 PM (in response to stlouiscrash09)Try it and then come back. Use Backup to backup your computer first, then if you don't like it go to the backup to get back.
Or try it on your laptop first.
-
156. Re: Preview Button!!!!
ycardozo Jun 8, 2014 4:17 PM (in response to ycardozo)Found it. It was 'stevestrike1,' message #90. It involves clicking opening a panel preferences tool but that mainly lets you set how the before/after panels show up (split/side by side/etc) and a few other things. It does nothing for having an individual panel step back one action. But it's worth looking at because it does give control over how the before/after panels appear.
-
157. Re: Preview Button!!!!
Hudechrome Jun 8, 2014 4:45 PM (in response to ycardozo)It's basically an on/off switch for the panel where off is default for the panel. Step back one is still Ctrl-Z.
-
158. Re: Preview Button!!!!
max.wendt Jun 11, 2014 9:00 AM (in response to Hudechrome)This RC does have a flaw: The Ctrl-Alt-P doesn't work, at least on my computer.
This was a Windows-only bug that has been fixed for the final version.
-
159. Re: Preview Button!!!!
max.wendt Jun 11, 2014 9:03 AM (in response to ycardozo)I was after a box that would undo just the action in the individual panel.
That is what the new per-panel defaults button will do: you can compare the work in a single panel against the default values for that panel only. In other words, you can compare the effects of the Details panel without changing anything from the Basic panel.



