I already have done. Hope lots more of you follow. May buy a few shares to cover my £8K investment over the years, but when it comes to their software, just kiss it goodbye and forget it.

So, I am unhappy about this situation, as many who are posting in this thread. However, I think I will restrain my comments to those relating to what I see as the central issue, which is the loss of the ability to provide consistent quality to my clients.

Working as a book designer, I tend to rely on a variety of third party softwares and scripting solutions—custom GREP scripts and proprietary data sets to universally adjust kerning throughout large documents, scanning software that interfaces with P-shop to utilize and create custom calibration profiles, and custom RIP software to calibrate and control color proofing. These systems and the vendor support relationships allow me to distinguish my work, and are the hallmark of the quality that I strive to provide. Upgrading my primary software, under the old model, would require that I confirm functionality for all coordinating softwares BEFORE I moved forward with an upgrade. This process is challenging, and often takes more than a year to confirm that every piece of the system is functioning properly before making a change.

Under the new lease model, I can not enter into a contractual agreement with a client with any anticipation that I can uphold my end of the deal. At any point, Adobe could update their code and destroy the functionality of the larger system of software that is in use. There is no way for me to test and maintain, with consistency, a functioning production workflow. If history is any indicator, every new advancement in the software introduces a new series of challenges that must be mitigated before the new software in introduced to the workflow.

I will age myself and say I have been setting type since the mid ’80s, and  over the years have developed a great ability to add refinement and detail that is often lacking in work-a-day production. My sense is that those with the greatest skill are being left out of Adobe's solutions for the future. This animosity toward the craftspeople who most thoroughly utilize the tools can not be warmly received. All those who care about great typography and the craft of bookmaking, should, in my opinion, not submit to this greedy, antagonistic, self-defeating policy of renting tools. If there is no resolution, and no alternative emerges that will allow me to maintain the quality my clients deserve, I will change occupations and abandon the 30 years I have invested in this craft.

Congratulations Adobe. You have tilted the table toward mindless mediocrity and profit over quality. You will not be forgiven. You are preventing me from following my passion and applyng my craft. This is one sh!t sandwich I will not be taking a bite of.

Hi, it's me, the alleged Adobe under-cover promotor...

So watch out, anything I say in this thread can and will be regarded as biased by most other participants of this bashing thread...

"At any point, Adobe could update their code and destroy the functionality of the larger system of software that is in use."

As usual, CC updates are not forced onto users. You can test versions (most major upgrades even side-by-side), roll back to, or even re-install previous versions. YOU decide on which point you prefer to update or upgrade. Of course, hardware could pose both upgrading or downgrading requirements, but that has always been the case, just like with CS versions. Haphazardly installing a new machine or a new system, could always break a trusted workflow.

"...the loss of the ability to provide consistent quality to my clients."

If you prefer to maintain and assure your 30-year old knowledge, experience, and tradition of imaging, typesetting and book production, you can simply stick to CS6 or even CS5 for that matter. There's no need to jump on any new bandwagons. Adobe promised to provide technical updates (system required) to most CS6 applications (especially the 'big ones' like AI, PS, and ID). As they already did for many years for other legacy applications !

Any other or heavier promises can't and won't be made. So you can only rely on such promises for a near and middle time future. Heck, Adobe could as well have halted the development and maintenance on any CS applications in the past and future, so there's no difference there, compared to CC strategies. And what about third-party extension developers you probably rely on as well ? They could go out of business, change anything, or otherwise surprise you, in much quicker and un-foreseeable ways.

None of your points are new to me. My points were not made lightly. The issue is trust, and I no longer trust Adobe as the primary provider of the tools I need to do my job. Claims are worthless. This is not a matter of me outlining my specifics and you coming back with a retort. This dialogue does nothing if a client has needs and I am not able to deliver because of some issue that I can’t control. The cloud situation creates exponentially more complication to processes that already steal time and are difficult to manage, in my opinion. Adobe must continue to offer a legitimate purchase option.

I think the last post hit it perfectly.......  It's a matter of trust.  There are a lot of serious hobbyists that rely on Adobe products.  There are a lot of photographers and others that rely on consistent, reliable products to make a living.  There is a question of Adobe's trustworthiness.  In a local user group meeting, when CC was being pushed and touted as the greatest thing ever, one attendee stood during the discussion and flatly stated to the Adobe evangelist, "WE SIMPLY DON'T TRUST WHAT YOU MAY DO IN THE FUTURE."

Trust is nebulous.  It's difficult to gain, and very easy to lose.  And once lost it can be expensive to regain.  To use a very easy example, anyone that has cable or satellite (Dir**TV) television has probably experienced the monumental gap between statement and truth, random price increases, mediocre support, and other situations that call into question the trustworthiness of their provider...

We'll see in 5 years if there have been major improvements in Photoshop and Lightroom (I'm talking development that affect a huge percentage of users, not things like books or maps), and significant new features, and the price to users is less than or the same $9.99 it is today, we'll see.  But if the 800 pound gorilla pushes static software, not fixing problems, not adding significant features and the price starts creeping upward...

If it's a matter of trust (to you), then why do you state all these kinds of useless and wrong assumptions at all ? You're entirely entitled not to trust any company or person to do business with.

To be honest, I also have some doubts whether Adobe will be able to achieve 100% reliability and security in their services. Features that require a constant or even temporary connection have proven quite a few times in the last year or two to be sensitive to outages and abuse. And when I see how they do and don't always keep track of my precious online identity, I'm seriously worried about them holding my credentials and credit card details...

But I also see vast improvements. Adobe promised it would take them a year to streamline all the installation procedures of most of their applications to behave decently under CC - and now they do. Signing in various services like the Forums, Typekit, Betas, etc. proceeded erratically, but is much better now. Type licenses are still an area with lots of legal difficulties to tackle, but Adobe is well-aware of it. And with the yesterday announced updates and upgrades, I feel they earn my trust to continue with their strategy - you don't feel that way, and that's up to you, of course.

Let me add one last thought, and then I'll leave you again for another year or so.

Did stuff like PostScript, InDesign, and all these add-ons and plug-ins work immediately error-free and effortless in the past ? Nope. We've all been slaving over nasty bugs and ill-behaving RIPs regularly until things would eventually work as promised or expected. But with 99% of the production flowing smoothly and 1% requiring our attention and problem-solving capabilities, we've found a trustworthy balance.

The cloud part of Adobe's CC is geared towards such a similar balance. I'd rather be a part of it (for the aspects I need), and see it through these several stages of improvement (which it still needs), than turn away from it. I prefer this innovation. If I'd want to stay clear of all the companies that make mistakes, store my credentials, or require me to pay upfront, I would not be able to live and work in our modern world.

I will no longer be using their products. So I really hope their testing of the waters is a TOTAL FAILURE !!! For them and any other company that tries this stupid idea !!!!

I do have to agree to a point.  I don't hate them, but I am wondering if in the future (?) a retired Hobbyist might turn to something like GIMP and use a Linux O/S ??

They already have the ideas and software written on so many "updates" , but they want to feed it to us a little at a time and we are at their mercy about price of subscriptions, etc.  They don't realize it is work FOR US , to keep changing programs -- for updates we might use once in a "Blue Moon"....  Is it going to be possible to ever buy a DVD Program that is OURS--good or bad--to keep a few years without this hassle ???? 

Another aspect of the issue is that many users only need the rudimentary tools. So many filters and time saving advances are just clutter and mess designed to make simple processes even more convenient. All I need is a basic vector editor (and there are better ways to handle curves, which we have seen in font creation applications); a basic raster editor to color correct and make simple repairs to photos; and a layout program that allows me to set type and apply universal kerning while honoring the various EULAs associated with fonts. If someone could create a very basic suite to handle these work-a-day tasks, they would have a hit. As mapyron points out, the customer seems to always get saddled with the time-eating tasks of working through the software bugs and rearranging workflow, all while providing free feedback to the companies that design the software. Not only are they making us rent our tools, they are making us rent over-designed, bulky, time-eating tools that create as much work as they facilitate.

I just don't think they thought this through before making a decision to change their licensing model. It just doesn't make sense. I think I must have annoyed this one guy that tried to trash me because my opinion is bad of their decision. He just went on and on about how their new licensing model is the best thing since sliced bread. I just started ignoring him. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and he just wasn't having it !!! LOL

I work on computers in a secure lab that can not be attached to the internet. This makes Adobe an impossible option.

Hey there - so I am just about to commence an Illustration degree and know that I have to get the Adobe suite in order to be able to participate in the course (everyone else will have to have it and not having it could mean all kinds of trouble for me).  However, given the few posts I have read here and the input from my Tech Architect husband who thinks what Adobe is doing is beyond awful, what should I do?  As a student I get the privilege of paying £15.88/mth but on the one year min. subscription.  My course starts September and is 3 years, full-time.  Any advice would be extremely welcome.

Well, you could probably get by with an educational permanent license of CS6 - many instructors I work with are still on CS6, as are many schools and universities. That should save you money over a three year period.

After those three years you may want to reevaluate the current market, and research alternatives that are available by that time. Perhaps Adobe retraced their steps and stopped the CC model (not bloody likely though).

The educational licenses can be found here for CS6:

Creative Suite 6 Master Collection for students and teachers | Adobe

>possible to ever buy a DVD Program that is OURS--good or bad--to keep a few years without this hassle

CS6 is available via perpetual license Creative Suite 6

CS6 isn't too different from CC so that maybe your best viable alternative. However, as a student you should be working with the latest versions (I know, I know...). Even though Adobe moves at a snails pace, in three years I am sure CS6 may be a bit "long in the tooth". Your yearly investment would be £192. Figure out how much similar materials cost you for other courses and you might find it's not that bad of a deal (or maybe it is). It's too bad your instructor is an Adobe minion and doesn't latch onto Corel Graphics Suite. For the price it's the best out there. In any event, be sure to save all your work in a "universal" format in case you decide to dump Adobe like we all want to do. Best of luck with your studies.

Oh I so hate adobe now. I think our concern is valid. Just look at their plan, one software or all. Anyone in their right mind know that they complete plan would be more logical and cheaper if you use 3 or more adobe software. Once you are lock into their subscription based, there is NOTHING to stop them from screwing you all the way for your whole subscription period. There is nothing to stop them from increasing the price every year or every two years, they can simply introduce a few new junk software which we may not have any use at all and say now they need to increase the price.

It is all in the plan, the sign is all there and I'm so sad to see so many people did not see that and simply jump to CC (btw, it is not even a damn cloud software, it is basically a smart way of DRM). Cloud software allow you to access your apps anywhere but hey, guess what, that's not how CC work! If Adobe is such a honest business who interest is to it's customer, why dont' they come out with Web Designer Plan, Video Production Plan, Photography Plan (which surprising they have), Digital Media Plan? Yes, they will give you the excuse that Complete will cover everything but hey, think about this, Complete when you don't use 70% of the software benefit who? Complete so that they can screw you later. Just watch.

jhkhkjhjkh wrote:

 

... I'm so sad to see so many people did not see that and simply jump to CC ...

I agree with everything you said except what I quoted. In fact the only reason (ONLY) we have the full subscription is for the exact reasons you outlined. If you have/need 3 apps then it's cheaper to go the full blown route. We use PS, Muse, PP, ID. PS is our main app we use every single day, Muse we use to maintain our 3 websites and the others occasionally. We switched our web hosting to BC because it was included. It would have been stupid not to. So that's what, 25% of all the apps in my subscription. So 75% is total waste. But it costs me less (and gives a false sense of security to Adobe Stockholders).

I disagree (for what it's worth) about people blindly switching to CC. We did not jump to CC without an all out "fight" and I honestly feel others fall into our category. Not one single day goes by that we don't seek alternatives. We have the Corel Suite which for the money can not be beat. But have not had the time to assimilate it into our workflow. That day may be coming much sooner than we think.

Stay Strong & Peace

Nowadays I spend more time trying to get stuff to work than I can on MY work. I've registered LR 4 times now, but it still keeps telling me to do it. Last night Adobe simply stole it. Can it be fixed? No. Creative Cloud client will not install, period. Answers in forums just send you back to the same old Weary-Go-Round or chat, which hasn't been available for at least a month as far as I can tell.

Adobe is now the WORST company I've every had to work with. So, yes. I HATE Adobe Adobe execs should all be fired.

I'm glad you're using Muse and BC for your website and hosting ! This application and the accompanying hosting service are a great boon, and maybe already worth the whole price of the CC subscription.

Of course, most users will only be using 25% of the included software. Maybe only 1% of the CC users wil be using more than 75% of all applications and services. And I'm pretty sure that even no-one will be using all 100%.

But in the days of CS and even single application licenses, you weren't using everything you paid for. Many users use only certain features of an application. So any price tag for software (single application licenses, CS bundles, or CC subscriptions) will be a symbolical price point, balancing on what it would and should be worth for a user to work with.

If your doubts about CC are just about the money, and have nothing to do with mistrust, the principle of not owning software, or some grudge against Adobe in general, then just do the math. Do you work solely for print media ? Stick with CS5 or upgrade to CS6. Are you a photographer ? Consider the Photoshop & Lightroom deal. Students ? The educational offer is $20 per month...

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I decided to start looking for alternatives after Adobe went completely CC. A requirement to pay each month for the software I depend on feels too much like some sort of "sword of Damocles" hanging over my head. Deep down, I hope that the CC approach Adobe has taken fails and they move back to a sales model that allows me to purchase the most up to date version of the product(s) that I want, when I want, and does not force me into endless monthly payments...but I'm not holding my breath.

As for me, I'll likely make no personal purchases of Adobe products unless/until things change.

This new way to rip of people is not so smart at all.

I work for a very big company and I requested some new Adobe apps for my work and my bosses say No to the Cloud and want me to choose alternative programs that one can buy once and own it. just because of this greedy claud method Adobe is using. Well goodbye Adobe, now I have to adapt to other apps and you will lose your customers in the long run.

Are most designers going with CC?  Are there any competitors bundles (Corel?) that compare to Adobe? The programs I use most are InDesign, Photoshop, Illustrator, and Dreamweaver. 

I am not happy with the change.  I feel forced to either purchase CS6 (and work with that until?), upgrade to CC or learn new software. 

I"m still not sure hate is the right word, but I believe there's a LOT of mistrust.  People staying with CS6 are now starting to fall behind, but as yet it's not significant.  Those on CC may be more current but Adobe lost a lot of customer goodwill with this scheme.

For me, I just spend a while being unable to update anything because the Adobe application manager kept throwing errors.  And once it failed to update and was removed, Photoshop wouldn't even start.  Eventually, the case got escalated and Adobe pulled down a different package for the application manager and got it to install.  I TRULY despise having Adobe support take control of my system, but that's how they did it - twice over two weeks.

Of course this doesn't do anything for the next time applications need updating or application manager is a new version and nothing will update...  It'll be interesting.

OK, I spoke too soon......

Two weeks of having the application manager fail to update itself.  And having support control the machine.  And telling me "everything will be fine now."

Today, LR works.  PS works.  But they don't work together.  Can't send an image from LR to PS for editing.....  Went to the Adobe forums to see, and found that the FIX is to uninstall extension manager and PS, and reinstall them.  Which would be FINE except that they WON'T INSTALL.  I just keep getting an error:

The download appears corrupted. Please try again after a few minutes. (-60)

So, I've now gone from a problem 'cause I couldn't get from LR to PS to a HUGE problem 'cause THERE IS NO PS.

And I've been on a "chat" with support (has there every been a more accurate oxymoron?) for an hour...

I understand this topic isn't anything useful - it's just for ******** and moaning about CC, but this is pretty pathetic.  I wasn't happy about being extorted, but at least the software worked.  Now there are topics and entries all over the place about errors, failing updates, and the best support can come up with is  "looks like the network"

Yeah Im trying to download after effects but NOOOOOOOOO everytime I sign in I get signed out

Yes, I hate this new attitude, Adobe displays with this decision. When I'm using i.e. InDesign, creating MY layouts, MY designs, it's unbearable that Adobe prohibits the access to MY documents, when I no longer want to subscribe. I'll keep CS6 (cc-free!) as long as I can - regardsless all the wow-features to come. There is no feature to compensate my anger about this client despiteous business model. I hope Adobe wakes up sometime and sees reason.

I've updated to CS6 in the last minute before the CC-enforcement -- And I'll keep using it as long as I can!

I hate adobe for 20years I have been using these products. Forcing people to go to cloud because they a monopoly on the market and cutting off support to cs6. The people that made this decision are morons. I can see why people end up pirating software when greedy companies like this exist.

I keep gravitating closer and closer to the "hate" side.  Currently, CC is completely pranged on my system...  After multiple phone calls, at least 2 cases, and hours of watching Adobe support crawling around my system, they have, FOR THE SECOND TIME, done a brute-force install of the CC application manager.  This time the guy didn't try to blow sunshine up my hooey.  He just ADMITTED "well, there are no big updates coming any time soon, so you should be OK for a while"........

I detailed the whole revolting support experience over the last 2 months over in the Adobe Creative Cloud forum, but I have no idea how to put in a link.....

Anyhow, NO, they're NOT morons.  They're geniuses...  They have a GUARANTEED income of HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PER YEAR. They don't have to improve the major problem areas of the products.  And they can save a FORTUNE by shoving support off-shore and making it as useless as possible.   Is anyone in here naive enough to believe that ANY of the people at Adobe that made this decision care even the minutest bit about how many people hate them?

Don’t contact me again.

I hate adobe

stumblebird wrote:

 

I hate adobe for 20years I have been using these products. Forcing people to go to cloud because they a monopoly on the market and cutting off support to cs6. The people that made this decision are morons. I can see why people end up pirating software when greedy companies like this exist.

Adobe is not a monopoly. They're very dominant in print media, fairly popular in video, but just a smaller player in web and app design and development (apart from creating imagery). So they still have to compete a lot and keep up with others ! And for print-media, one could easily keep using CS6 or even CS5 for many more years. There's hardly anything new or crucial to print producers in the newer versions of Illustrator, Photoshop, and InDesign. Adobe has also announced numerous times they will supporting CS6 users with maintenance updates. Of course, this won't be indefinite, but they're definitely not cutting-off CS6 right now or very soon.

And in stead of stimulating piracy, Adobe CC is actually stimulating those were using illegal installations and activations, to subscribe for their tools and services. Especially since it's also available on a per-month basis (for incidental users) and as an extremely affordable bundle for photographers.

Complaints about support and installations will always be part of any software environment. Adobe CC has improved its installation and management tools a lot, which was very necessary, coming from an error-prone collection of all kinds of Adobe software and services. But it's really much better now. Would support be much better if Adobe had continued to offer CC as a perpetual license scheme ? So should it be a reason for down-thumbing Adobe CC ? It's just your "I Now Hate Everything Adobe" attitude talking, I'm afraid...

After two years of having Adobe CC available and after one year of Adobe CC being the way to go, I encounter more and more users who are very satisfied with this offering. Especially the quicker development and availability of updates is something they mention as being a real boon. And users who were less concerned about having so many applications and services, they are surprisingly happy to learn using new tools for their entrance into new media. It's not a financial consideration anymore - they just install and open up the software and have a go at it.

So I don't mind users wanting to hang onto their CS versions for print media, but please excuse others who really want to move forward with the world. Things change, you know...

I am self employed an a couple of years from retirement - so when I stop my subscription, because I will no longer be able to afford it, I will not be able to open any of the files that I create between now and then, ever again! That sucks.

I'd be willing to pay a "balloon" payment to continue using the product at that point - like you do when leasing much commercial equipment.

I have bought every programme and upgrade since 1990 and l think this new Adobe decision is draconian and self destructive.

We can only hope that too few people will take this subscription nonsense on board and force Adobe to review the way they sell their products.

And how much do you think such a "balloon payment" would be reasonable for which applications, or the whole CC ?

And how soon would you start asking for another regulation to obviously keep your old but valid software up and running on newer systems ? Or keep using some restricted services, because you used them as well, maybe now already or probably after a while. And how much would you be willing to pay for such regulation ? And how much marketing and technical effort does Adobe need to put into that kind of dollar pinching strategies ? Come on...

That's why Adobe drew the line: either you go along all the way with CC, or you're left behind. You can shout as much as you want, yell at Adobe that they're greedy morons, but fact is: this is how it works and will be able to continue to work. The deal is clear and fair. And for those who don't want to take it, its your call. Adobe made their decision, and now it's yours. Users claiming Adobe should give them more options, forget it's Adobe's choice to decide on that, and you decide with your wallet. Adobe is not some governmental institution that needs to democratically, socially, and morally listen to everyone. It's their technical, economical, financial, and strategical decision to stop developing applications for another CS offering, and it's wise of them to keep the last CS version on sale and up and running for a while.

You can hate them for that – fine with them. They're moving on.

Everyone will get to a stage when they no longer need to up grade the apps they use. But for instance when I stopped using Quark 6 in favour of InDesign on my old Mac IICx - at least I can still open those files and maybe cut and paste the text from there to create a new InDesign document - you won't be able to do that with the inflexibility of this subscription system. When I retire I won't want all the creative suite and professional tools it offers but I might want to open an old InDesign or Illustrator file to show my grand children how clever I once was.

I've always thought subscription would be a good way to sell software but there should be better options than this all-or-nothing approach.

excellent point. i am in the same boat and will be using cs6 as long as possible. Don't anyone fool them selves; Adobe absolutely has plans to make it as  difficult as possible for non CC users.  what i find particularly disturbing about some Adobe users is their kool-aid drinking behavior. as an older  creative person i always prided myself that we were not like regular people. We questioned things and colored outside the lines.We used macs way before they became trendy. . Seems that attitude is dying,  the "evangelists" on this forum and at Adobe's dog and pony shows are disturbing--their manta is "go-along -to get-along.".These "evangelists" seem cult-like; dont question, just do what we tell you to do.

My favorite arrogant and disrespectful customer attitude is to completely shut down their support and use discussions as their support option. Now even Microsoft has better support than Adobe.

enjoying the Kool-Aid?

No, I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid, I'm enjoying stuff that wasn't invented when I first worked with a Mac and started with desktop publishing, back in 1987. Using new software to create websites, like Muse and Edge Animate. Creating rich-media and interactive digital publications with InDesign, turning them even into ePubs and Folio apps. Trying out new areas like video-editing, and even 3D design and printing in Cinema 4D and Photoshop. Browsing resources and services that weren't available before, like Adobe TV and tons of free Typekit fonts.

Of course, you could also use all kinds of open source developments, and even the bigger ones aren't bad, actually: WordPress, Bootstrap, Blender, Shapeways, DropBox, DaFont and Google fonts. And they all come free ! Even for print media there are numerous other applications available. (Who's calling Adobe a monopoly now?) So you can hold on to your CS5 or CS6 for print, and even easily move to non-Adobe tools, if you're really looking for new opportunities.

Turn your old publications into PDFs, if you ever need to extract text or images from them or wow your grandchildren. Use a trial version if you need to open any native files incidentally. But you can't expect Adobe anymore to let you eat your cake, have it and keep it, and not pay for it. And if you're on a budget: would you be able to fork out some hundreds of dollars to pay for a CS7, or CS8 ? The monthly cost of $ 50 at most (and $ 20 for a single app) is fair to all professionals and even many non-professional users. What I understand the least, is when you really bought every popular application and upgrade for your print media business, then you know exactly how much money you have spent through the years, and know that Adobe CC is really a steal. Only the simplest upgrade (CS6 Design Standard) is cheaper than the subscription price for a one-year period, so go for it if while it's still available.

Oh yes, I remember those grass-roots days very well. When just one application license would set you back many thousands of dollars, and your Mac would cost some thousands of dollars more (and then you'd still have to buy a monitor, scanner, and a genuine PostScript printer). When we tried to convince everyone of the ease of use of a Mac, and cherish the desktop design revolution brought by various software parties. And now, you can get a full-blown all-in-one iMac at $ 999, choose printers at prices lower than a bundle of cartridges, and your iPhone is even better than first and second generation scanners. Software is following suit, at much lower prices than ever, or even for free (as open source). What's so wrong with all that ?

Or should I ask: what's wrong with you people ? Are you sad of having lost the rebel status and feeling ? Are you jealous of new generations being able to play with this stuff, with tons of more power, for a fraction of what it used to cost ? Are you angry because Adobe moves on and doesn't want to look into the rear-view mirror too much ?

The "point" someone tried to make by stating they wanted to show their grandkids what InDesign did in 2014 sometime down the road is a complete farce. Create a PDF and show them what you did. Show them how great your design and interactive work is by showing them the results - they ain't gonna give a crap about version of InDesign you used. They'll all be using InDesign 2020 by then and laugh at you for having to wait an hour for it to download and install .

The problem with all of the complainers is that they are the noisiest, and that can be said for anything to do with progress.

I hate CD players because I can't play my 45s.

I hate DVD players because I can't play my Beta tapes.

I hate iTunes because it won't run under System 6,7,8,9

Really folks?

I am not overly enthralled with Adobe of late, I hate their support, they're just third-world phone answering system who can read  a manual. I went through hell doing a completely fresh install of CC last October because Dreamweaver didn't like something. But a complete update to CC 2014 on a brand new iMac in April was flawless, and took less than 2 hours, for all of the software I wanted, no sticking 4-5 DVDs into my Mac, I loved it.

I also have long lists of complaints about InDesign, Illustrator and PhotoShop being inconsistent - they are developed by completely separate teams and while some commands are being assimilated across the board, I still can't apply effects in Illustrator like I can in InDesign - annoys the hell out of me.

I also have a major problem with the latest Suitcase update and InDesign - InDesign now blips every 2-3 seconds any time I open a new typeface, it's like it's slowly swallowing each and every font again. I am now going through a whole troubleshooting scenario with Extensis because they want to know what the problem is. Living on the bleeding edge of technology - yippee!!

But to say you want today's software to continue working years from now. Not possible, with virtually any software on the market today, never mind Adobe.

Here's what you do - seriously now… you buy the last install of whatever you want, legally. You get yourself a Mac that is as up-to-date as it needs to be for that suite of apps. You search the Internet for a way to allow the apps to work without an Internet connection  and you move yourself to your cottage and spend the rest of your life happily encased in your specific time capsule with your specific Mac on OS 10.4 with CS 4, 5 or 6 and you fade away.

Me, I'm like the 95% of Adobe users who embrace technology and advancement and love to see all the new features, sure I ***** when a new feature requires more ram and a faster processor, but I get on with it… why… because my clients expect me to do so.

And that's how I make a living and have done so since Illustrator 88, PhotoShop 1.0, PageMaker 1.0, went through the whole Quark nightmare and now use the best tools available - Adobe CC 2014.

And just as I finish this, Peter Villevoye said pretty much the same thing - so there are plenty of people out here that see no problem with progress.

Thanks.

I am thankful that I can pay monthly instead of having to come up with -- for what I need -- at least $1000 all at once. BUT I couldn't afford the monthly fees if I wasn't currently back in school. And I HATE that when I graduate all the money I payed them will be for nothing unless I get a well-paid job right away. And I REALLY HATE that my business website was built with Adobe MUSE so that if I need to drop Adobe CC that code is too much of a garbled mess to be dealt with. I've already found an alternative to Photoshop. When I find an alternative I like for Illustrator and InDesign, I'm done.