Surely there is a fix for this problem?
ffurb wrote:
Chris, thank you for your previous posts. Let me ask the question a different way. Are you confident that this issue will be resolved? I really need to upgrade my laptop and like the Dell XPS15. Glad to hear LR works but PS is important and I want a high res screen to enjoy my high res images. I don't want to buy a low res screen (laptop) only to see the fix come out next week and then I'm stuck with the laptop. I usually keep laptops about 3-4 years so there is no need to compromise IF I know the issue will be resolved. Of course a timeline is important - does me no good if it's fixed in 3 years.
Thanks
Wait for the big announcements on the 18th June. We think the fix might be included in the list of new features.
Just downloaded Photoshop CC (2014), doesn't look like its fixed
So... How does it actually look at 200%?
-Noel
On a SurfacePro 2 it is horrible... activated the "experimental" feature and everything is blown off (Adobe says that they are created especially for SurfacePro and 4K). If I deactivate the experimental scaling feature the UI is smaller than in the previous version. I am wondering if anybody is really testing these releases... Acrobats UI is not performing as it should, the "brand new rewritten" Muse is not OK. Illustrator and InDesign, InCopy are OK.
This is the new HiDpi UI on SurfacePro devices:
The terms "blown off" are a bit too technical for me. Do you mean "too big"? Were you hoping for a 150% size?
I can't imagine that the icons are any smaller without the experimental feature activated (i.e., at 100% size), as the UI elements seem the same size on a 100 ppi display as with the previous version.
-Noel
Yes they are too big. I didnt expressed myself correctly. And yes, 150% as it is in Windows for the SurfacePro's should be better...
The icons are not smaller without this feature but the text in the menus are.
I kind of expected maybe a 150% capability too. Ah well.
You can of course affect the text in at least some parts of the UI via the Edit - Preferences - Interface panel. Try the alternate selections for UI Font Size. Close and restart Photoshop after changing...
I have to say I have not been tempted by a Microsoft Surface.
-Noel
I don't disagree with you. The Photoshop engineers are still somewhat behind in their implementation of high dpi support. Apparently it's more difficult than it was for the Illustrator product.
-Noel
At least for me now it is much more usable on the XPS 15. As I have mentioned before Photoshop is not my main use for this laptop but this helps a lot when I need to use it.
Thanks Adobe for helping us get going!
So would you recommend the XPS 15? Is PS usable at an acceptable level? It's not critical for me but I want to be able to use PS. I don't want to get a "lower" end computer and be stuck with it for years. What exactly is the issue? Icons are too small or is the entire interface so small it's not usable (as was stated here)? I assume the interface, filters, etc all run just fine.
Thanks for your help!
I for one am totally happy about this. Finally! I almost cant believe it is fixed! Of course, I haven't used it much but I am optimistic. Thank you for finally fixing this problem!!!!!!!
Hi !
Thank you so much for the sofwares new versions that you guys hardly worked on, I'm profoundly satisfied by it
I just have a question concerning After effect, I actually have the same problem I had with photoshop until today, it has extremely small icons making it really hard to use it.
I wanted to know if I missed new features on it or if you didn't pay attention to that one ?
Totally usable and the XPS 15 is the best laptop I have ever had.
The image above I posted is exactly what it looks like. The only small icons are in Camera Raw but if you use Lightroom then it is a non issue.
Do any of these changes apply to Photoshop CS6?
I dont use Photoshop CC
Knowing Adobe,
I'm 100 % sure the feature won't be available on CS6.
So the experimental feature of Photoshop CC 2014 allows a 200 % UI zoom, which is in fact a 4x zoom.
It is unfortunate that it isn't more fine grained, as in W8.1 where you can choose a few possibilities between 100 % and 200 %, and even more above 200 %.
But it is experimental and one can hope that it will be improved (if possible not waiting another 2 years).
Anyway I think it is the same scaling as the one done on Mac Retina.
In any case, Photoshop is now officially useable on high-dpi monitors on Windows
Here is a comparison I did on my 3200x1800 Dell XPS 15:
These are full Res pictures that you can download for comparison at 100 %.
The image edited in Photoshop is shown at 100% and is 4096 x 2304.
OndreDive Full Resolution
Standard
Experimental 200%
CedricMi wrote:
So the experimental feature of Photoshop CC 2014 allows a 200 % UI zoom, which is in fact a 4x zoom.
Not by any terminology I've ever seen used. You may be speaking of the fact that 200% in both the horizontal and vertical directions multiplies out to 4x the number of pixels used to draw each control, but that's simply never called a "4x zoom".
Don't give the Marketing people any ideas!!!
MARKETING: NO, YOU CANNOT CALL IT A 4X ZOOM. FORGET YOU EVEN HEARD THAT.
-Noel
Underwhelmed Adobe.
This looks like more of a work-around than a proper high-dpi implementation for Windows. This might work on my Razer Blade (2014) with 200% desktop scaling. But it won't be an optimal solution on my Surface Pro, with 150% desktop scaling.
As a dedicated CS6 user, I was ready to pony up for a CC subscription just for proper high dpi support. But without a solution that works with Surface, I can't really justify it.
Did you miss the bit about it being experimental? I have no idea what that means, but I imagine it is not the final, definitive solution.
2014 release of Photoshop CC: Experimental Features
[EDIT] Check out the feedback here
Photoshop: Introducing scale the UI 200% for high-density displays for Windows
Maybe it's not perfect. But I'm grateful. InDesign is fixed too. SOOOO glad.
Thanks, I did see that it is marked "experimental". I'm just disappointed that it's not a more comprehensive solution supporting at least the standard Windows desktop display scaling increments of 125%, 150%, and 200%.
I was pretty excited to see Adobe demo this on stage with Microsoft at the Surface Pro 3 unveiling. Given that teaser, and knowing that scaling on current Surface devices is nominally 150%, I just assumed this would be supported. Disappointed that Adobe's solution is not optimized for Surface or the many 13" 1080p Ultrabooks that look best at 125%.
And of course, I'm sure this will never come to CS6.
Photoshop looks fantastic now on my HP Spectre 13"
Now all they need to do is fix the fuzziness of a couple of the other programs but that isn't a huge issue at the moment.
Good to know... Does your Spectre have the 1080p display or the qHD one? I would think 200% would look a little off on the 1080p model.
The 200% zoom looks great on my 3200x1800 14" screen, though I'd also vote for a 150% option. But unfortunately drawing is suddenly super laggy with this new version (with or without experimental features) and I have no idea why. I wonder if it's a high res monitor thing since it seems like the Photoshop dev team have never tested on one. Anyone else here experiencing delayed feedback when drawing in CC 2014?
Photoshop was tested on many high res displays - without any visible or measurable lag.
Whatever lag or slowdown you are seeing is more likely specific to some issue on your system.
I'm in the same boat. The new Photoshop 2014 update is unusable on my Surface Pro 2 at regular scaling, and just awful at 200% scaling. The "Photography" default workspace takes up 2/3 of the screen. Does anyone know if there's a hack that will work with the Ps CC 2014 update? I'm a little sad that the new update seems to have overridden the previous hack (which, if not totally crisp, made Ps CC usable). I'm a little wary of blindly messing about with the manifest myself.
Love the 200% UI scaling feature in Photoshop 2014. It IS a tad too big on my 30" screen, but I can finally read everything clearly after years of struggling with the tiny controls in earlier versions of Photoshop. I'm sure 200% was chosen because it's a lot easier to implement doubling than some arbitrary scale factor, but it would be nice to have %150 as well.
Hope this gets added to Premiere Pro as well
Hi Chris.
I've been playing with the latest Photoshop and Lightroom trials, and on my 2014 Razer Blade, the 200% experimental scaling option in Photoshop is beautiful (and Lightroom seems to just work, kudos).
However, I've noticed that Adobe Bridge CC is still not scaling properly. This is a deal killer for me, unfortunately, because I rely heavily on Bridge + the Camera RAW plug-in for my digital photography workflow.
Are there any plans to bring high DPI support to Adobe Bridge?
Windows HiDPI support is still being developed, even in Photoshop.
Yes, it will eventually come to Bridge and other products, but I don't know when.
I have to resort to using a loupe or the magnifier on my phone. I have the Dell XPS 15 touch.
I am still confused as to why I am just fine with Lightroom but not on other Adobe apps (CC subscription ones). I opened Premier up the other day and could not see to open the preferences to see if there was any upscaling at all available.
Love my laptop and have few other issues with the resolution. But I'm glad that mainly the program I use on it is Lightroom.
Surely there is a fix for this problem?
Chris Cox (Sr. Computer Scientist) 3 hours ago
Chris Lynn less than a minute ago
I can't say I can recall a time when Adobe promised to fix this in Photoshop CS6. Can you identify a specific piece of documentation?
You have a new technology display. Why wouldn't you think you'd need new software technology to use it?
-Noel
So let me get this right, Adobe WONT be providing a fix for CS6????
How can this be fair or justified?
ALL software manufacturers provide updates to their latest applications, especially if they are still selling it!
And why does CS6 work fine with Apple Macs with Retina displays?
Can you please advise if Adobe will set create a HiDPI fix for CS6?
Nthbeach, I never said they would or won't be doing anything, one way or another. I just don't recall them saying what they would do, and was curious whether someone has documentation.
-Noel
CS6 is not the latest application - it is two major versions behind the current application (CC 2014, aka version 15).
Ford won't put 2014 features into your 2008 truck for free, either.
Well adobe CS6 is still being sold in stores, right?
This is not so much an update, as a fix! ie,, making is usable!
Also, why did you provide a HiDPI CS6 fix for Mac users?
CC 2014 is an online, subscription application. Not same thing!