Pbeck1 wrote:

 

 

Wish i hadn't bloody converted all my RAWs to DNG now too.

 

 

 

 

I would be confident that .DNG will last though you can always export to 16 bit tiff for future proofing.

Keith_Reeder wrote:

 

DumbMarine wrote:

 

I guess most hobbyists and consumers already know about CC and have rejected it?

 

Pretty much everyone I know has jumped all over Lr and Photoshop for - note - £8.78 a month.

 

 

And when it costs £28.78 a month ..... at Adobe's whim?   Nothing to stop them doing so when you are trapped ... as indeed you are.  Never known a money centric multi-national to not lever a maximum profit when available ..... they would be nuts not to!

Of course us long-term Adobe users already owned many versions of Photoshop and Creative Suites anyway (I have Photoshop 3 (and I mean 3 not CS3) to CS6 on my shelf now - lol .

CC is for the noobs and commercial people.

Which are you?

ps   Keith - Please Note              

$9.99 is £5.88 at a dollar seventy to a pound

Keith is correct it's £8.78 including the VAT:

https://creative.adobe.com/plans/photography?store_code=gb&locale=en&promoid=KLCPV

....Lightroom can be purchased by traditional perpetual licence or via subsciption

is that right?

I must be missing something then as i cant seem to see a way to buy Lightroom outright now on the Lightroom webpage. Can only see through subscription now.

Pbeck1 wrote:

 

i cant seem to see a way to buy Lightroom outright now on the Lightroom webpage. Can only see through subscription now.

Wow - I can't see any other way either. Perhaps the "pessimists" were right this time ?

Posted today:

http://www.adobe.com/news-room/pressreleases/201406/061814AdobeCCPhotoPlan.html

No FAQ or terms and conditions there.  The full contents and revisions to the $9.99 bundle aren't stated, let alone the products small print

 

How are you supposed to make an informed without it ?.

Not sure what you are looking for but this is at the bottom of the Adobe page General-terms

If you wish to discuss Photography subscription plan start another thread as this about Lightroom 6 features.

Thank you....

Who started the thread has no relevance to the request. The alternative is to have the thread locked.

Ut, o

I think you're both right, lol

Yes it’s a nice feature for landscape photographers. I do have the Photography Plan and can use the plus and minus brushes with the filters but it’s obviously a more complicated workflow. I think all the emphasis in LR5.5 has been on mobile. In fact at the presentation in New York yesterday, the point was made that iPhone images on Flickr outnumber all digital cameras combined.

So it looks like we have a period to wait for full integration between the two apps which should be the main selling point for the Photography Plan. I really want to do all raw editing in LR and only go into Photoshop for pixel editing, layers masks etc.

Modify Graduated and Radial Filter masks with a brush:

That doesn't seem to be that much of a big deal as CaptureOne Pro 7 has had it for Graduated Filters for a while.

I will be really disappointed if there isn't

* some kind of laptop mode. I shouldn't have to use an iPhone or iPad to do PC work with Lightroom.

* Facial recognition. It is embarassing that LR still doesn't have this.

Good morning Captain obvious! Of course it can RUN on a laptop (and even OS X Laptops! You forgot about those!) but I'm talking about being mobile with my Surface Pro 3. My main library sits on my workstation. I should be able to take my Surface Pro 3 out and do all of the same stuff I can do with Lightroom Mobile on iPad on my SP3. But I can't. I am still scratching my head at how the iPad got a mobile review mode before PCs -- something that has been requested since the early Lightroom betas!

i am surprised that Lightroom is not using all the cores on a Mac Pro.  The Windows version is definitely multi-threaded (more than 50 threads reported by resource monitor) and all 8 cores of my i7 (4 real and 4 psudo) showing as being used when I do anything intensive.

First day using Adobe communities with this new creative cloud account.

trshaner wrote:

 

Keith is correct it's £8.78 including the VAT:

 

https://creative.adobe.com/plans/photography?store_code=gb&locale=en&promoid=KLCPV

Sorry but Keith is not correct - $9.99 is £5.88 (rounded up) plus vat = £7.06  where does £8.78 come from other than out of an Adobe marketters head or the enormous lets rip of United Kingdom brigade.

What never fails to amaze me in here is how many 'so called experts' are miserable Adobe Apologists and bullies to new people.  You (very) small people should be ashamed!   Do you all think you are artists (with an artists temperment) rather than the artisans you are?

Now Adobe has finally released their website changes has anyone in here attempted to get past the creative cloud to buy stand-alone products (those that still exist)?  It is even more befuddled and obscured than before(deliberate).

Before any child in here posts the link (note the childish behaviour in here), yes it can be found.

This forum really is just an Adobe mouthpiece dominated by childish bullies.  Apologies to those that truly try to help and are genuinely critical.  You are the stuff of forums.  I really do wonder how this site came to be in the state?  I suggest (to Adobe) a rebuild including of personalities.

Blimey, somebody got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning (sorry, bit childish I know, lol)

DumbMarine wrote

Sorry but Keith is not correct - $9.99 is £5.88 (rounded up) plus vat = £7.06  where does £8.78 come from other than out of an Adobe marketters head or the enormous lets rip of United Kingdom brigade.

Do get as sick of being wrong all the time, as we get sick of hearing your ridiculous, clueless whining?

I'm in the UK, and I use the £8.78 deal! Shock horror! I wrote what I wrote because I know what I'm talking about! (You should try that some time - seriously, it's great).

Maybe a bit more using whatever it is that keeps your ears apart, and a bit less looking for conspiracy theories, and maybe you'll live up to the first part of your screen name a bit less, eh?

Oh - and let's be clear: knowing what we're talking about about (and pointing out the numerous occasions when it's obvious that you don't) doesn't make anyone here Adobe fanboys. Or apologists. Or childish. Or (are you five?) bullies: it just makes us demonstrably better-informed than you. (Maybe that makes us "experts" - in which case you must be surrounded by them).

Or is this how you deal with people telling you that you're wrong again? Calling them playground names?

Now that's infantile. As trolls usually are.

Maybe a picture will help...

bitm07 wrote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_StatesStill agree the with general sentiment however,  that we are paying more for the same product here in the UK.

Don't pander to him - that only became his point when he realised he was just plain wrong about what the UK price actually is.

He's moved more goalposts around than the Brazil Football Federation in the run-up to the World Cup...

DumbMarine wrote:

 

trshaner wrote:

 

Keith is correct it's £8.78 including the VAT:

 

https://creative.adobe.com/plans/photography?store_code=gb&locale=en&promoid=KLCPV

Sorry but Keith is not correct - $9.99 is £5.88 (rounded up) plus vat = £7.06  where does £8.78 come from other than out of an Adobe marketters head or the enormous lets rip of United Kingdom brigade.

 

What never fails to amaze me in here is how many 'so called experts' are miserable Adobe Apologists and bullies to new people.  You (very) small people should be ashamed!   Do you all think you are artists (with an artists temperment) rather than the artisans you are?

That is the published price for sale in the UK. I don't work for Adobe or defend their business practices, neither did I say the price difference is fair and reasonable. Your complaints would be better served here:

Why Creative Cloud for Europe is so expensive?

bitm07 wrote:

 

A new feature or two and little a tweak here and there would suffice for me.  Just adding White, Black, Vibrancy and Sharpening Mask sliders to the section brush and gradient tools would be enough to persuade me to upgrade.

bitm07,

Worth noting: current saturation brush is a "vibrance-like" saturation - Eric Chan (member of Lr dev team) declined to go into details, but he said it's not the same as global saturation - more like global vibrance only not exactly... (personally, I'd love to see HSL added to the locals).

Eric also said we may not see too many more locals added due to design / performance limitations - but maybe they'll pull a rabbit out of their hat..

I would also love to see adjustment masking improved so painted corrections aren't so painstaking - the current auto-mask feature of the brush is barely usable in my opinion.

Regarding sharpening locals - I too would love to be able to vary not only sharpening mask but radius (and detail). Speaking of which - I think sharpness falloff lens correction would be a boon to image quality - I lump those together because an increased radius sharpening applied using a radial gradient (or better: multiple overlapping) is a fair approximation to a true (e.g. profile-based) falloff correction.

Regarding whites & blacks - they can't be adjusted locally, as you know, but you can kinda get the same effect by adjusting them globally, then using highlights and/or shadows sliders locally to compensate.

PS - I will be very surprised if face recognition is not in Lr6 (since there are signs of it in Lr5).

Cheers,

Rob

The multiple monitor support could use some developer TLC. Currently LR only supports one additional monitor. I have an iMac with 2x 27" NEC's outboard, I could definitely use a Loupe monitor in both portrait and landscape on color calibrated displays while the main interface ran on the iMac screen. And LR5 is incapable of recognizing my current 27" NEC in portrait orientation as a legitimate display for the second monitor. Every time LR5 launches I get the second display window on top of the main interface on the iMac screen. I have to move it over to the portrait monitor, and resize it every time. If I make the mistake of selecting Window/Secondary Display/Show, LR unhelpfully puts the secondary display fullscreen on the landscape NEC, exactly where I don't want it. Talk about frustrating.

I have asked for better multiple monitor support since before LR3 came out, along with several other users. I guess feature requests sometimes get acknowledged and other times do not.

Please improve the slideshow part! multiple songs! some effects ect. this part is where i show off and sell to my customers!

A way to access the EXIF info via mouseover (ala Aperture) instead of having to go back to the library module.

Even better: Combine the Library and Develop modules. It's stupid that they are separate. Just combine them (and their tabs) and make all the closed tabs smaller to make more room. They are stupidly cartoon-large as it is.

Also… improve the print module. Study the one in Aperture. Notice the intelligence displayed in autosizing things based on paper size without having to make print profiles for every damn time you want to change paper, orientation or borders.

Lastly: Dear GOD fix the Web panel. Get rid of the Flash and replace with HTML5 please. Wake up and smell the 2014 already. No one uses it because it's rubbish. How many websites have YOU seen made from the Web panel? Thought so.

sadmyst wrote:

 

A way to access the EXIF info via mouseover (ala Aperture) instead of having to go back to the library module.

 

 

EXIF Data? Have you tried the the [ I ] key for information? You can customize it and it holds two screens worth of info and doesn't require return to the Library.

Personally I think it is quite pointless to compare Aperture to Lightroom as it is a dead product and it's workflow was almost non-existent as Lightroom has a different modes (not STUPID) for each step in image processing. Also there are lens profile and geometry corrections in Lightroom, CA correction, etc. etc and, of course, Aperture was dumped for iPhoto because of the following statistics:

Among photographic pros using the Mac,

In 2007 Lightroom was nearly twice as popular as Aperture

In 2008 it was nearly three times as popular

In 2009 it’s approaching four times as popular

By the numbers:                                  2007       2008      2009

Photoshop Camera Raw plug-in           66.5%     62.2%    57.9%

Lightroom                                          23.6%     35.9%    37.0%

Aperture                                              5.5%      7.5%      6.3%

On the Mac platform only:

Lightroom                                           26.6%     40.4%    44.4%

Aperture                                             14.3%     14.6%    12.5%

Of course there is one specific thing I would like to see added apart from HTML web pages which are there:

LEVELS: Would love to see levels included along with curves.

Perhaps I should have been a bit more clear. I mean EXIF, ITPC, ALL of the metadata and EVERYTHING you can (optionally) see in the right column in the library module.

I figured this would be fairly obvious as you can already see the shooting info in the right column right under the histogram in the develop module. It doesn't however tell you what mode you were shooting in or whether the flash fired… etc. (But I want the develop module to be able to show EVERYTHING right down to the copyright and metadata.)