18 Replies Latest reply: Jul 11, 2014 4:43 PM by John T Smith

Samsung 840 Pro SSD to become Sata6 ???

John T Smith Jul 9, 2014 12:16 PM

I'm not going to build for awhile, but I'm putting my list together, and I've decided to go all SSD for speed & low heat generation

I will be using a 256G for boot/software, a 512G for data input files, and two 128G, one each for project/scratch and edited output files

The ASUS Sabertooth X79 LGA 2011 motherboard has Sata6 ports, but the current Samsung 840 Pro SSD line is all Sata3

While that will still be a lot faster than a 7200rpm platter drive, I'm wondering if anyone knows if Samsung is developing a Sata6 SSD line?

1. Re: Samsung 840 Pro SSD to become Sata6 ???

cc_merchant Jul 9, 2014 1:31 PM (in response to John T Smith)

The 840 Pro is SATA 6G. See Tweakers Page - Disk Setup
You may have to wait for the availability of the 845/850 vNAND models, as discussed above.
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2. Re: Samsung 840 Pro SSD to become Sata6 ???

John T Smith Jul 9, 2014 2:09 PM (in response to cc_merchant)

That means that Newegg has bad information SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD256BW 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - Newegg.com

ADDED http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/memory-storage/MZ-7PD256BW

When I open the specification PDF from the Samsung page, it says (one page 2) INTERFACE • 2.5" SATA III (6Gb/s)

So... Newegg is correct... the Samsung 840 Pro SSD is Sata3, not Sata6 as is supported on the motherboard I linked

Still faster than a 7200rpm platter drive, but not Sata6
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3. Re: Samsung 840 Pro SSD to become Sata6 ???

cc_merchant Jul 9, 2014 2:07 PM (in response to John T Smith)

No, in this case their information is accurate. It is not always the case, but here they are correct.

SATA comes in three generations, SATA I, SATA II (also known as 3 G) and SATA III (also known as 6G). Now there is even a SATA / SAS 12 G interconnect, soon to be followed by SATA Express or NVMe.

See Tweakers Page - Disk Setup for further details.
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4. Re: Samsung 840 Pro SSD to become Sata6 ???

John T Smith Jul 9, 2014 2:20 PM (in response to cc_merchant)

I may have confused myself... ASUS Sabertooth X79 LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - Newegg.com

Specifications say
SATA 3Gbs 4
SATA 6Gbs 4 x SATA 6Gb/s

I was reading that as Sata III and Sata 6, but that may not be right... I now think that the 2nd line is Sata III at 6 Gigabytes per second... which matches the Samsung 840 Pro

As well as SSD being faster than platter drives, the power consumption is lower so I can use an 850w power supply instead of the 1000w I have planned with 4 platter drives

That gives me the 4 "fast" Sata connections I need for 4 SSD drives, and a "slower" Sata connection for my DVD burner... perfect for my needs
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5. Re: Samsung 840 Pro SSD to become Sata6 ???

cc_merchant Jul 9, 2014 2:27 PM (in response to John T Smith)

Did you look at:
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6. Re: Samsung 840 Pro SSD to become Sata6 ???

John T Smith Aug 22, 2014 7:37 AM (in response to cc_merchant)

Thanks... no raid for me... too much $$ for my needs... home video only... do not really NEED a new computer, but WANT new so now just figuring out what/when to build

Final list of parts (edited after build - Aug 2014)
i7-4930k CPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116939
CPU Cooler http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099
-CPU temp "at rest" 32-37C and while working in Encore 50-55C (per CPUID HWMonitor utility)
Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131801
Corsair 2x16Gig Ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233536
RaidMax Full Tower Case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156288
4 Pack 120mm Case Fans http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=35-103-052
-2 fans added to top of case, 1 fan added to side of case
Raidmax 1000W Gold http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152044
Samsung 256Gig SSD Boot http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147193
-Windows 8.1 Pro and all software (Adobe, Microsoft, utilities, etc)
Crucial M550 256G temp http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148791
-Premiere Pro and Encore project files and all temporary cache files
-Drive C space http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1007934?tstart=0 see reply 4
Crucial M550 512G input http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148792
-Video and picture files to be used in projects
Crucial M550 128G out http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148790
-Exported output files from Premiere Pro and Encore
MSI 2Gig GTX760 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127745
-works great using NVidia driver 335.23 with Windows 8.1 and the "hack" for P-Pro CS6
Keyboard & Mouse http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823109232
Samsung DVD Burner http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151269
128Gig USB3 Flash Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178689
-Use with http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image-for-linux.htm for full system drive backups
Total was about $2,800
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7. Re: Samsung 840 Pro SSD to become Sata6 ???

cc_merchant Jul 10, 2014 11:52 AM (in response to John T Smith)
I do not really NEED a new computer, but WANT new so now just figuring out what/when to build

Suggestion:

4x Intel Xeon processor E7-4800 v2 family (15-Core, 155W TDP) w/QPI up to 8.0GT/s
96x DIMMs across 8x memory modules supporting up to 6TB of DDR3 1600MHz Reg. ECC RDIMM and LRDIMM memory
Up to 48x 2.5" hot-swap HDD/SSD devices (24x default)
12Gb/s SAS3 backplane supports up to 24x HDD/SSDs
Up to 11x PCI-E 3.0 slots, 4x (x16), 7x (x8)
2x RJ45 10GBase-T ports,1x dedicated LAN port for IPMI 2.0 remote management via Add-on Card
BMC supports IPMI 2.0 + KVM w/dedicated LAN
4x internal 9cm + 3x external 8cm heavy-duty cooling fans
Redundant (2+2) 1620W hot-swappable 80 Plus Platinum Level high-efficiency power supplies
W 17.2" (437mm) x H 7.0" (178mm) x D 31.3" (795mm)
24x Intel SSD DC 3600P @ 2 TB (2600 MB/s read, 1700 MB/s write)

Advantage: No raid controller needed.
Disadvantage: Price...
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8. Re: Samsung 840 Pro SSD to become Sata6 ???

John T Smith Jul 10, 2014 1:51 PM (in response to cc_merchant)

>Disadvantage: Price

Thanks, but I'll pass... I don't want have to take out a 2nd mortgage on my house to build a computer!

The $2,800 for my current list I posted above is my limit
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9. Re: Re: Samsung 840 Pro SSD to become Sata6 ???

Jason Van Patten Jul 11, 2014 4:42 AM (in response to cc_merchant)

cc_merchant wrote:

Disadvantage: Price...

Ahh... I can see someone who hasn't ever worked in a data center before. There's another significant disadvantage to that:

NOISE!

What?

I said...

I can't hear you. What did you say? ...
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10. Re: Samsung 840 Pro SSD to become Sata6 ???

cc_merchant Jul 11, 2014 4:53 AM (in response to Jason Van Patten)

Only at GEISCO, NCR SE and SWIFT.

The solution is easy, a soundproof room, next to the humidor room for your cigars.
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11. Re: Samsung 840 Pro SSD to become Sata6 ???

ECBowen Jul 11, 2014 8:01 AM (in response to John T Smith)

The Crucial M550 drives are testing in the same performance range as the Samsung drives along with far greater cycle endurance than the 75TB their rated at. They perform extremely well in raid. You may want to consider those for the media and cache drives. The 760GTX 4GB card is only a marginal price increase over the 2GB card. Why not get that one in stead?

The Asrock Extreme 9 is in the price range of that Asus board. I would consider that as well.

Eric
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12. Re: Samsung 840 Pro SSD to become Sata6 ???

John T Smith Jul 11, 2014 8:24 AM (in response to ECBowen)

Thanks, I will look at the Crucial SSD for the 128/512Gig drives

Based on my reading so far, I "knew" that a 4gig NVidia was "needed" for 4k video... but I suppose a 4gig card would make Photoshop faster even though my video is only "regular" HiDef

I've used Intel and Asus motherboards with very good results, so will have to read about Asrock
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13. Re: Samsung 840 Pro SSD to become Sata6 ???

John T Smith Jul 11, 2014 9:20 AM (in response to ECBowen)

>Crucial M550 drives are testing in the same performance range as the Samsung drives

Considering the price differences, why would I not use Crucial for ALL my SSD drives?
Or, why still use a Samsung for boot/software but Crucial for the other drives?

$230 Samsung 256Gig SSD Boot http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147193
$157 Crucial M550 256Gig http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148791

$125 Samsung 128Gig SSD Scratch http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2W00ZD1548
$95 Crucial M550 128Gig http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148790

$430 Samsung 512Gig SSD Input http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2W00ZD1557
$300 Crucial M550 512Gig http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148792
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14. Re: Samsung 840 Pro SSD to become Sata6 ???

ECBowen Jul 11, 2014 10:10 AM (in response to John T Smith)

Well I would use Crucial for all the drives due to the testing results they reflect so far. The Samsung Pro drives do have the Samsung magician utility which makes it easier to update the firmware on the drives depending on the platform and some tools useful for SSD's. Crucial's firmware update utility normally requires a bootable update versus the Windows update on X79 platform. If your comfortable with that for the OS then Crucial for OS is fine.

Eric
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15. Re: Samsung 840 Pro SSD to become Sata6 ???

John T Smith Jul 11, 2014 1:09 PM (in response to ECBowen)

Hmm... I'm going to have to be able to boot from my DVD drive to install Windows anyway, so IF Crucial offers a way to create a bootable CD then I have no problems booting to install a firmware update... which I am going to HOPE doesn't have to be done very often

The other advantage to Crucial, at least for data, is they offer a 1 Terabyte SSD for only a "small" amount more than the Samsung 512Gig drive... so I can keep "stuff" on the data drive longer without having to move files off to a USB hard drive

ADDED... went to Crucial site and clicked around a bit... they have an ISO to download to create a bootable disc (I presume CD) for firmware upgrades... so will add Crucial to my possible list
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16. Re: Samsung 840 Pro SSD to become Sata6 ???

ECBowen Jul 11, 2014 1:34 PM (in response to John T Smith)

Yes that would be the update. Crucial doesn't update their firmware very often unless there are some major fixes. The only consideration is the onboard controller mode. The Crucial bootable update wont see the drives if the Intel controller is in Raid mode. You have to set to AHCI mode long enough to update them.

Eric
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17. Re: Samsung 840 Pro SSD to become Sata6 ???

Bill Gehrke Jul 11, 2014 1:41 PM (in response to John T Smith)

John
If you want one slightly higher performance SSD drive take a look at the Plextor M6e PCIe line. My 256 GB model (they have 128 and 512 GB also) exports (writes) from Premiere at 562 MB/second and HDTune Pro the read speed is 743 MB/second. It requires PCie v2 2 lanes and installs automatically . I purchased this one for $300. They now are available for slightly less.
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18. Re: Samsung 840 Pro SSD to become Sata6 ???

John T Smith Jul 11, 2014 4:43 PM (in response to Bill Gehrke)

Interesting idea, but after looking at the ASUS Sabertooth X79 motherboard, it won't work unless I use a different Socket 2011 motherboard... no PCI-E v2 connections
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