22 Replies Latest reply: Nov 28, 2014 7:23 AM by ivewhiz RSS

    PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?

    mdunaganRK Community Member

      Hi,

       

      After updating to the recent patch version of Photoshop CC 2014, I've noticed the move tool is not working as it should be.

       

      For this example, let's say there are 3 layers in my document.  The first layer is an unlocked background, 2nd and 3rd layers are small objects, let's say a circle and a square, respectively.

       

      I would like to move my circle to a different location in my document, so I make sure my circle layer is highlighted, then click my Move tool to move it.

       

      This is where the issue begins: Now, I have to make sure my mouse is hovering somewhere over the circle motif in order to move it while holding Command or Option+Command (depending on if I am duplicating it).  I used to be able to hover over anything in my document.  I did not matter, as long as I was holding down CMD or Option, it would always move only my highlighted layer(s).

       

      Does this make sense? If not, I may be able to clarify if not clear.

       

      Other info:

      iMac version 10.9.5 (Mavericks)

      Photoshop version: 2014.2.1

        • 1. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
          Ronald Keller Community Member

          Command is now toggling Auto-Select layer/group

          • 2. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
            mombartz Community Member

            seems nonsensical. anyone else agree?

             

            how do you drag layers that are underneath others now?

            • 3. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
              DominikaSnejdrova Community Member

              Absolutely agree. It's impossible to drag layers underneath others and it generates a lot of extra time to work with move tool. I think it's absolutely nonsencial to change the basic funcionality of move tool.

              • 4. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
                benjamin_weiler Community Member

                Is there any known way to set this to a different key?
                This is annoying the hell out of me. Web-Design without the Move-Tool's ability to temproarily disable auto-select is near impossible.

                 

                Maybe editing some preference file might help?

                • 5. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
                  tdfrench Community Member

                  I hope this is a bug and not a "new feature." It is adding so many unnecessary keystrokes to my work flow.

                  • 6. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
                    mdunaganRK Community Member

                    This issue is still not resolved.  Hopefully an admin sees this.  I will put in a formal feedback comment to Adobe to get a quicker answer.

                    • 7. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
                      csuebele CommunityMVP

                      This is not a bug, but a new feature. It's suppose to allow you to switch between layers and groups and turning the auto select on or off. most the time, I leave it off and right click over the object I want to move to bring up the context menu to select the layer, as auto select doesn't always select what I think it's going to select.

                      • 8. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
                        tdfrench Community Member

                        Well it's a really annoying "feature." Now I have to physically switch to the move tool to be able move a layer within a group then switch back to whatever tool I was using. If I just hit command to move something while another tool is selected it moves the whole group even if I have the layer option selected in the move tool preferences.

                        • 9. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
                          csuebele CommunityMVP

                          Now that seems like a bug in having it select a group even though the layer mode is selected, when selecting the tool while using another tool. I flag this for someone from Adobe to look at it.

                          • 10. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
                            benjamin_weiler Community Member

                            Before:

                            You really only needed to uncheck Auto-select when you wanted to use the layser stack to make your selection on what to move. This could be useful, especially if you had lots overlapping layers but in most web-design workflows was rather an exception than the rule.

                             

                             

                            Holding down CTRL while in another tool, such as the Brush or Selection Rectangle or Lasso temporarily enabled the Move-Tool in whatever mode you had last set it when in the tool. That is similar in behaviour displayed by the color picker tool, which has several different picker modes that can be set with the tool active and that are applied when the temporary picker is used (by pressing ALT while using most tools that deals with pixel manipulation like the Brush and Pencil Tool ).

                             


                             

                            Now:

                            In Move Tool, Auto-Select Checked

                            Holding Down CTRL will switch selection mode from Layer to Group and vice versa.

                             


                            In Move Tool, Auto-Select Unchecked

                            Holding Down CTRL will toggle Auto-Select On and Off

                            Releasing CTRL will revert to non-Auto-Select-Mode where you can move stuff around regardless on where you click in the workspace. So basically this is like it was before, only inverted.

                             

                             

                             


                            And here comes the catch, these are all possible scenariosthat can occur with the Move-Tools settings:

                            Outside Move-Tool, Auto-Select Checked, Layer-Selection Mode active

                            CTRL will still activate the Move-Tool, but it will invoke the Group-Selection


                            Outside Move-Tool, Auto-Select Checked, Group-Selection Mode active

                             

                            CTRL will activate the Move-Tool and will invoke the Layer-Selection. This feels as it was before.

                             


                            Outside Move-Tool, Auto-Select Unchecked, Layer-Selection Mode active

                            will activate the Move-Tool and will invoke the Layer-Selection.


                            Outside Move-Tool, Auto-Select Unchecked, Group-Selection Mode active

                            will activate the Move-Tool and will invoke the Layer-Selection.


                            And this interrelation of behaviours is, what causes the problem. You need different settings for the Move-Tool to get the same action out of the temporary Move-Tool that you would get from the ragular Move-Tool.

                             

                             

                            I see what they were shooting for with this change. The new functionality is not unusable, but it has flaws that interrupt a workflow that many users rely on.
                            A compromise might be reached, by assigning the Layer/Group Toggle to another Function-Key combination like CTRL+ALT.

                             

                             

                            In the meantime, please do as you promised: roll back this change and re-introduce it, once the flaws have been ironed out. If I remember correctly, one of the often mentioned advantages of the Creative Cloud-model was the rapidity of updates. It is now up to you to make good on that claim. Please do.

                            • 11. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
                              mdunaganRK Community Member

                              Thanks for the reply, Benjamin.  Hopefully Adobe takes a serious look at this. 

                               

                              In the meantime, I'll try one of your suggestions,

                              Outside Move-Tool, Auto-Select Checked, Group-Selection Mode active

                              in order to make it feel somewhat like before, however, keeping in mind I would extremely advise them to revert this and come up with a different keystroke; or at least make it editable.

                              • 12. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
                                sidianmsjones Community Member

                                This is really damn annoying.

                                Adobe, switch it back.

                                • 13. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
                                  mdunaganRK Community Member

                                  I spoke (unhelpfully) with a Help person, but I ultimately found out that the devs know about this issue and are working on it currently: Photoshop: Move Tool - Toggle auto select shortcut changed.  They've known for at least a month, according to the time stamps on the post.  Let's hope that this is soon resolved.

                                  • 14. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
                                    sidianmsjones Community Member

                                    Excellent, that's good news!

                                    • 15. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
                                      PECourtejoie CommunityMVP

                                      If I can add something, it is also possible to get a temporary move tool, by holding down the V key...

                                      • 16. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
                                        ammoniaavenue Community Member

                                        Which moron at Adobe decided to change command to toggle for auto select mode? I HAVE WASTED TONS OF TIME FOR THAT STUPID CHANGE!!! MY WORK IS BADLY DAMAGED AND SAVED AFTER MY STRUGGLING! BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW THAT AND I SAW NOW MOST OF GROUPS MOVED AND MY DESIGNS ARE DAMAGED!

                                         

                                        currently, insanly trying to solve this BECAUSE I CAN NOT WORK!!!

                                        • 17. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
                                          ammoniaavenue Community Member

                                          I don't belive what I read here! I'm shocked. HOW HOW HOW did you do this? the brilliant idea owner, I'm asking you; DO YOU USE PHOTOSHOP?!?!?!?!? I'm telling you, I need a f*ckn update moron! and go your home and try to play your self not this!!!

                                          • 18. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
                                            ammoniaavenue Community Member

                                            is there a way to change that shortcut??? I need solution I have tons of work please!

                                            • 19. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
                                              ssprengel Community Member

                                              Can’t you just install and use CS6 or CC?  These are provided as part of the CC subscription.

                                              • 20. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
                                                ammoniaavenue Community Member

                                                thanks ssprengel but I have 12 psd files and their layer counts and nested sets are huge. currently I' trying to revert my designs because of unawared moving actions but I can not wrk with this stupid command things. I really affraid to switch to lower version Photoshop. My customer waiting me, developers are waiting me. I finished I think. Today, I done my worst update I think!

                                                • 21. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
                                                  ammoniaavenue Community Member

                                                  BTW, I did update because of crushing on Yosemite on Mac because PS was crushing nearly twice in an hour. Oh my god I'm in a attack of nerves right now.

                                                  • 22. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
                                                    elipan Community Member

                                                    CS6 is a performance hog. Projects that were unmovable in CS6 are on steroids in 2014.2.

                                                    • 23. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
                                                      benjamin_weiler Community Member

                                                      Which of course has absolutely nothing to do with the freshly introduced behaviour of the Move-Tool. I quite agree, though.

                                                      • 24. Re: PS CC 2014 Move Tool Bug?
                                                        ivewhiz Community Member

                                                        Two chat sessions and they didn't even mention any of the things I read here. They just said it behaves the same on their end, and that it is the normal behavior.

                                                         

                                                        Trying "Outside Move-Tool, Auto-Select Checked, Group-Selection Mode active" and now I'm a happy camper. This change is so dumb.