5 Replies Latest reply on Apr 21, 2015 9:51 PM by A.T. Romano

    Why am I losing the right side of my frames?

    Volleydad7 Level 1

      I am working with video originally shot on handled camer with an SD card that has then been copied to a DVD.  The VOB files are 720x480 and 29FPS.  When I add the media I have tried several project pre-set settings, however all of them are cutting off the right side of the frame of the film and I need that for my clips and to make my movie.  How do I get the entire frame to be imported and available?

        • 1. Re: Why am I losing the right side of my frames?
          John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          Directly editing a VOB... or Ripping a VOB to edit using a note from Jim Simon

          -http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1322647

          • 2. Re: Why am I losing the right side of my frames?
            A.T. Romano Level 7

            Volleydad

             

            What version of Premiere Elements and on what computer operating system is it running?

             

            What do you have at the present time....

            a. DVD disc with DVD-VIDEO format on it?

            or

            b. VOB files (VTS_01_1.VOB and series) each saved to a DVD disc for storage?

             

            Premiere Elements can handle these DVD video files without any prior conversion.

            Your file properties are 720 x 480 @ 29.97 interlaced frames per second. Correct? Now is that standard 4:3 or standard widescreen 16:9? Both have the same frame size.

             

            After you import this file, are you or the project setting the project preset? And, what is it being set at?

            If you do not know, please tell us what the readings are for Editing Mode, Timebase, Frame Size, Pixel Aspect Ratio (even if the fields are grayed out) under Edit Menu/Project Settings/General.

             

            From your description of the problem, your issue appears to have nothing to do with any VOB, MPEG2 and the like and everything to do with project settings and file properties such as frame size and pixel aspect ratio.

             

            We will be looking forward to your follow up as your schedule permits.

             

            Thank you.

             

            ATR

            • 3. Re: Why am I losing the right side of my frames?
              Volleydad7 Level 1

              A.T. – Please see the responses to your questions below.  Thank you for your help with this, I have been assuming it has to do with the settings, but haven’t been able to find the right combination or the right way to adjust the settings to get it to work.  When playing the DVD outside of Premier Elements using windows media player or on a dvd player a full frame is displayed.  Please let me know what other questions you have or how else I can help you help me.

               

               

               

              Thanks,

               

              Bob

               

               

               

              Bob Welther

               

              816-223-7797

               

              bwelther@earthlink.net

              • 4. Re: Why am I losing the right side of my frames?
                A.T. Romano Level 7

                Bob

                 

                Thanks for the reply, but the details of your situation did not get posted.

                Please try again.

                 

                But, for now, the basic things I need to know...

                 

                What version of Premiere Elements are you using and on what computer operating system is it running?

                 

                Is your DVD-VIDEO on DVD or copies of the video files that might have been copied from it 4:3 or 16:9?

                Both standard (4:3) and standard widescreen (16:9) have the same frame size (720 x 480). But, for the widescreen, there is a 16:9 flag that stretches the video for display after encoding (to about 856 x 480).

                 

                Thanks.

                 

                ATR

                • 5. Re: Why am I losing the right side of my frames?
                  Volleydad7 Level 1

                  Sorry about that, let’s try again.

                   

                   

                   

                  What version of Premiere Elements and on what computer operating system is it running? Premier Elements 13 version 13.1 on a Windows 7 machine.

                   

                   

                   

                  What do you have at the present time....

                   

                  a. DVD disc with DVD-VIDEO format on it?

                   

                  or

                   

                  b. VOB files (VTS_01_1.VOB and series) each saved to a DVD disc for storage? These are the types of files I am working with.

                   

                   

                   

                  Premiere Elements can handle these DVD video files without any prior conversion.

                   

                  Your file properties are 720 x 480 @ 29.97 interlaced frames per second. Correct? Now is that standard 4:3 or standard widescreen 16:9? Both have the same frame size. A friend of mine has done the filming and provided me with a copy on a DVD, all I know is what I can tell based on the details below which are screen shots of the properties, the first one I got from looking at the file properties through windows explorer, and the second is from the “Get file properties” option from within Premier Elements.

                   

                  cid:image001.png@01D07B3B.B3048850cid:image002.png@01D07B3C.2D329BD0

                   

                  After you import this file, are you or the project setting the project preset? And, what is it being set at? I have tried this simply with the default option which results in the settings in the screen shot below.

                   

                  cid:image003.png@01D07B3C.6E531FE0

                   

                  I then tried to change the settings when starting a new project and have selected the following options:

                   

                  cid:image004.png@01D07B3C.FB5ACAF0

                   

                  cid:image005.png@01D07B3C.FB5ACAF0

                   

                  I may have tried one more but not sure which one I tried.

                   

                   

                   

                   

                   

                  Bob Welther

                   

                  816-223-7797

                   

                  bwelther@earthlink.net

                  • 6. Re: Why am I losing the right side of my frames?
                    A.T. Romano Level 7

                    Bob

                     

                    Thanks for the follow up. But, we still do not know 4:3 or 16:9.

                     

                    If you can get one of the DVD video files (VTS_01_1.VOB) into the Edit area of the program....

                    Go to Project Assets and right click the thumbnail for the file there and select Properties. In the Properties for the file,

                    what is the pixel aspect ratio

                    0.9091

                    or

                    1.2121

                    Does the information there confirm that the frame size is 720 x 480? Frame rate 29.97 frames per second?

                     

                    If you have a DVD VIDEO on DVD 4:3, then we are going

                    1. Set the project preset manually for

                    NTSC

                    DV Standard

                    To do that, in the Expert workspace, go to File Menu/New/Project and change settings.

                    In Change Settings, change the project preset as stated. OK out of there.

                    In the New Project dialog that opens, rename the project, and put a check mark next to Force Selected Project Setting on This Project. OK out of there.

                    2. In the Expert workspace, use Add Media/DVD camera or Computer Drive/Video Importer to bring your VTS_01_1.VOB into the project from the DVD disc inserted into your burner tray..

                    Does the image fill the Edit area monitor?

                    a. Right click the monitor, select Magnification, make sure it is set to "Fit"

                    b. Go to Edit Menu/Preferences/General and assure that there is a check mark next to Default Scale to Frame Size.

                     

                    Please consider the above and then we will move forward on the details that you have.

                     

                    Thank you.

                     

                    ATR

                    • 7. Re: Why am I losing the right side of my frames?
                      Volleydad7 Level 1

                      OK,  More details based on your guidance…

                       

                       

                       

                      If you can get one of the DVD video files (VTS_01_1.VOB) into the Edit area of the program....

                       

                      Go to Project Assets and right click the thumbnail for the file there and select Properties. In the Properties for the file,

                       

                      what is the pixel aspect ratio

                       

                      0.9091

                       

                      or

                       

                      1.2121

                       

                      Does the information there confirm that the frame size is 720 x 480? Frame rate 29.97 frames per second?

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                      Bob Welther

                       

                      816-223-7797

                       

                      bwelther@earthlink.net

                      • 8. Re: Why am I losing the right side of my frames?
                        A.T. Romano Level 7

                        Bob

                         

                        Thanks for the information that your DVD-VIDEO on DVD is standard 4:3.

                         

                        Please follow through on the instructions in post 6 and then let me know if the problem is resolved.

                         

                        We will decide what next based on the details of your reply.

                         

                        Thanks.

                         

                        ATR

                        • 9. Re: Why am I losing the right side of my frames?
                          Volleydad7 Level 1

                          A.T. – I followed your instructions and the steps are shown in the screenshots below. 

                           

                           

                           

                          Changed settings to DV Standard

                           

                           

                           

                           

                           

                           

                           

                          Checked “Force selected Project Setting on this project” and clicked OK

                           

                           

                           

                           

                           

                           

                           

                          When to add media and chose a file from the disk.

                           

                           

                           

                           

                           

                           

                           

                          Below is how it appears on the monitor.  As you can see, the right side is cut off as it should have the full date.

                           

                           

                           

                           

                           

                           

                           

                          I confirmed that the magnification “Fit” was checked and went to Edit Preferences and there is a check next to default scale to frame size and none of that fixed the issue.

                           

                           

                           

                           

                           

                           

                           

                          Where do we go from here?

                           

                           

                           

                          Bob Welther

                           

                          816-223-7797

                           

                          bwelther@earthlink.net

                          • 10. Re: Why am I losing the right side of my frames?
                            A.T. Romano Level 7

                            Bob

                             

                            Thanks for looking at the suggestion.

                             

                            The screenshot that you meant to post did not post. Could you try again?

                            The specified item was not found.

                             

                            I would like to see the screenshot if possible before deciding what next.

                             

                            I will go into the what next details in the next post.

                             

                            Thanks.

                             

                            ATR

                            • 11. Re: Why am I losing the right side of my frames?
                              Volleydad7 Level 1

                              A.T. Sorry about that, I was including them in the emails but didn't realize they weren't posting.  Here are the steps I followed and the screenshots.

                               

                               

                              Changed settings to DV Standard

                               

                              Preset.PNG

                               

                              Checked “Force selected Project Setting on this project” and clicked OK

                               

                              Force Project.PNG

                               

                              Went to add media and chose a file from the disk.

                               

                               

                                View Importer.PNG

                               

                              Below is how it appears on the monitor.  As you can see, the right side is cut off as it should have the full date (To be clear, it is not just the date I am interested in, but the rest of that frame.

                               

                              Monitor View.PNG

                               

                              I confirmed that the magnification “Fit” was checked and went to Edit Preferences and there is a check next to default scale to frame size and none of that fixed the issue.

                               

                              Edit Preferences.PNG

                               

                              • 12. Re: Why am I losing the right side of my frames?
                                A.T. Romano Level 7

                                Volleydad7

                                 

                                Thank you for the excellent follow up details. These video files (VOBs) are not presenting in the Video Importer as 720 x 480 (pixel aspect ratio 0.9091) should.

                                Is it possible for you to do the following:

                                 

                                1. Insert the DVD disc into the burner tray and confirm that you see a VIDEO_TS Folder. If you do, double click the VIDEO_TS Folder to open it there, look inside the VIDEO_TS Folder for the file named VTS_02_2.VOB, right click it and select Copy it, and then Paste it to the computer desktop.

                                2. Download and install the free video audio properties readout program named MediaInfo....I am assuming you are using Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 64 bit.

                                MediaInfo | SourceForge.net

                                Then open MediaInfo to the Tree View (See View Menu/Tree) and import the VTS_02_2.VOB. In the Video readout, tell us what you see for frame width and height , frame rate, scan type (if interlaced, then upper field first or lower field first), display aspect ratio.

                                 

                                Note: Back in step 1, if you do not find a VIDEO_TS Folder but instead find just the following loose files burned to disc, please stop and let me know.

                                VTS_01_1.VOB

                                VTS_02_1.VOB

                                VTS_02_2.VOB

                                VTS_03_1.VOB

                                VTS_03_2.VOB

                                 

                                Thanks.

                                 

                                ATR

                                • 13. Re: Why am I losing the right side of my frames?
                                  Volleydad7 Level 1

                                  A.T. – I followed your instructions and below is the information found in the Mediainfo viewer.

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                  Frame Width: 720 Pixels

                                   

                                  Frame Height: 480 Pixels

                                   

                                  Frame Rate: 29.970 fps

                                   

                                  Scan Type: Interlaced

                                   

                                  Scan Order: Top Field First

                                   

                                  Display Aspect Ratio: 16:9

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                  Please let me know where we go from here.

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                  Thanks,

                                  Bob

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                  Bob Welther

                                   

                                  bwelther@earthlink.net

                                  • 14. Re: Why am I losing the right side of my frames?
                                    A.T. Romano Level 7

                                    Bob

                                     

                                    Thanks for the information. According to that video properties readout from MediaInfo, your DVD video file is 16:9 and not 4:3.

                                    By the way, did you confirm that your DVD disc has a VIDEO_TS Folder and not a group of loose DVD video files?

                                     

                                    Please set your project manually if the project cannot do it automatically (if you let the project try, check the results under Edit Menu/Project Settings/General(.

                                    NTSC

                                    DV Widescreen

                                     

                                    And then import your DVD video files into Premiere Elements project, using Add Media/"DVD camera or computer drive"/Video Importer.

                                    In the Video Importer just check mark the VTS_02_2.VOB for import into the project.

                                     

                                    What is the result? Same, better, or worse?

                                     

                                    Thanks for the follow ups. Appreciated.

                                     

                                    ATR

                                     

                                    If you run into any pop ups about not being able to import file because it has already been imported, change the Save In location in the Video Importer before importing the file into the project with the Add Media/ choice.

                                    • 15. Re: Why am I losing the right side of my frames?
                                      Volleydad7 Level 1

                                      A.T.  – I followed your instructions and imported into a project set as DV Widescreen and the result is the same.  I went into the edit project settings general menu and noticed that “Fields” says Lower Fields First, and is not editable.  My last communication said the media info stated Top Fields First.  I am not sure if this would have an impact or not.

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                      I will be traveling for business and will not have access to work on this for a few days, but would like to continue trying to get this resolved so I can edit this film.

                                       

                                       

                                      Thanks

                                       

                                      Bob

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                      Bob Welther

                                       

                                      816-223-7797

                                       

                                      bwelther@earthlink.net

                                      • 16. Re: Why am I losing the right side of my frames?
                                        A.T. Romano Level 7

                                        Bob

                                         

                                        Thanks for the update.

                                         

                                        If we have the correct properties and project settings, we should be seeing the video as recorded, if 16:9 then as 16:9.

                                         

                                        One possibility is that the video display is what it is, and the DVD was created without consideration for text placement.

                                        But that idea seems questionable when we read your report

                                        When playing the DVD outside of Premier Elements using windows media player or on a dvd player a full frame is displayed.

                                        Do you play back the DVD in entirety? When I look at the VOBs in your screenshot of the Video Importer, some of these DVD video files look "full frame". Do you get the same result when you import VTS_02_1.VOB as when you import the VTS_02_2.VOB?

                                         

                                        Have safe travel. We will continue this as your schedule permits.

                                         

                                        Thanks again for the follow ups.

                                         

                                        ATR