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An upgrade? Just another version number like Macromedia did?
No! A year ago I would have said yes. Bygones are bygones.
Yes, I will upgrade my FreeHand MX with Adobe if it is more than an interface change ;-)
i will upgrade my FH MX with Adobe.
still using it everyday and it works AWESOME.
Yes, I will upgrade my FreeHand MX with Adobe.
As long as FreeHand works with MAC OSX I will never switch to Illustrator.
I'll be willing to pay double price just to get a working copy with Leopard.
Thanks for your prompt respond. Yes! the numbers are coming in. If you are a FreeHand User and hope to get a New Upgrade, a new version that is competible to the latest Mac OSX Leopard or Windows Vista then be counted. We need the numbers. Spread this link to as many FreeHand User as possible in your community, get them to come in. Remember we are being watch.
in spain we are hundreds and hundreds.
> If the numbers is in
> millions. Adobe shareholders may reconsider their decision.
Probably not. What are your options? The only viable option is Adobe
Illustrator. So, there is really no compelling reason for Adobe to care
about Freehand anymore.
Better solution? Vote for politicians that think monopolies are not the best
direction for our economic system. ;o)
Also, is Png really your last name? If so...that is so geeky cool!
I have 10 copies of Freehand MX to upgrade for Leopard (new hardware due to be purchased next spring) YES!!! I will pay to upgrade if Adobe would continue my only drawing solution (I need to print postscript without font grief from MX). I will not switch to Illustrator (being using since Freehand 1). We have hundreds of thousands of files for over twenty years (engineers expect us to be able to update material from 1989!).
Hi Darrel and all FreeHand users around the world,
For what FreeHand has given me since 1990 when I first start using vector software. My whole livelihood is much dependant on it. It is such a complete software, from creative to production, every detail is taken care. I know Adobe has announce the end of life for Freehand and after trying out Illustrator for the last 6 months, What I get is knowing what I have lost in FreeHand even more. There are so many things that are essential in a design, DTP software that is missing in Illustrator. The construction is so different, as a FreeHand user, I feel I am moving backward. Why should this happen, why do we have to endure this kind of unfair monopoly. Why should our century of learning become of Nothing. How can this happen to millions of people across the world. What has the world become of. Still, after more than four years without an upgrade, our beloved FreeHand is still so valid. Bravo to the people behind this software. My one voice may be too small to be heard, but if millions who like me feel the same way and is willing to join me in this quest. Like I said, anything is possible.
Hi FH Addict,
As we all are aware FreeHand is still one of Adobe Product Line. The shareholders still own it, they can do anything with it. They can still have an ExtraOrdinary AGM and turn the whole decision around. But for that to happen we must present a genuine case, where millions of FreeHand users are ready to commit. It is all about the bottom line. Show them the money. Say "YES I will upgrade" and keep our finger cross. I am a little part of FH, FH heart is still beating.
> Why should our century of learning become
> of Nothing. How can this happen to millions of people across the world.
It's called big business. ;o)
I love Freehand as much as anyone. I still use it as my main illustration
That said, I'm not wasting time with Adobe anymore. They don't care, and
don't need to care about Freehand users. They bought the competition
outright and did what any company in that position would do: kill it.
I'd suggest it'd be better for us to put our efforts elsewhere...start
working with some of the open source vector illustration products. Support
some of the 3rd party options, etc.
> As we all are aware FreeHand is still one of Adobe Product Line. The
> shareholders still own it, they can do anything with it.
They could, but their interests aren't in a specific illustration program.
Their interests are in profits.
Let's not forget that Macromedia also gave up on Freehand many releases ago,
so this isn't anything new.
I'm all for continuing the 'fight' and welcome the enthusiasm...I guess I'm
being a bit more pragmatic about it these days ;o)
Hi Darrel and FH users all over the world,
I do this because I think I owe it the software that gave me my livelihood for so many years. That least I could do is to fight for the name of FreeHand. I want Adobe to know they have made a BIG mistake by freezing out a wonderful software. I want the share holders to know that they have made a BIG mistake by allowing this decision to take place. So if you are a true FH user and truely love the software. Do this for FreeHand. What are you waiting for, step forward and be counted!!
Yeah, I'd put money for an upgrade on Freehand. I am hesitating on getting Illustrator until absolutely necessary.
However, understand that the Adobe Board of Directors must make the company money or the shareholders kick them out. Why would they want two similar programs competing against each other? It's not a conspiracy. Just some times it seems like it! ;-)
> I want the share holders to know that they have made a BIG mistake by
> allowing this decision to take place.
But they haven't made a big mistake. In terms of maximizing profits,
Freehand was pure dead weight. The code base was antiquated, the dev team
was threadbare, and Adobe already owned the market leading competing
Alas, Adobe did make the right decision in terms of the shareholders.
Which is a bummer for us and Freehand, of course.
I hate to be a downer, but reality sunk in quite a while ago for me
regarding this. ;o)
Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
Freehand was pure dead weight. The code base was antiquated, the dev team
On my Mac OS Tiger and Leopard, FreeHand is faster when opening, working and quiting. Its weight is only 35 Mo. Is there something wrong with Illustrator : slow, heavy, and it takes an undefined time when quiting ;-) and its weight is 300 Mo
Do I miss something?
I recently went on an 2 day Illustrator training course, paid for by my work as the reality of "no more FreeHand" has set in, and while the chap taking course knew his stuff and explained everything really well, I found the actual software falling well short. I asked some pretty awkward questions too, usually to be met with a reply of "yes you can do that in Illustrator" followed by at least 5 clicks, a few menu scrolls and an arcane set of names to achieve a 2 clicks solution in FH. I'm still using Freehand for 60% of my work with Quark XPress taking up 30% and Photoshop accounting for the remainder. Even the mighty InDesign can't do some things Quark can, this all conquering Adobe stranglehold is not a good thing.
Thank you guys for sharing your experience. I would like to point out one small but important thing. Draw a text block in illustrator, type some text, then try moving the text block with your pointer tool. It will move if you point to the text baseline or the perimeter of the text block but if you point anywhere inside the text block, it will not move. You can say, this is small matter but this is how human behave and react. If it is a text block, why shouldn't the inside of the block not be treated as a whole object. Illustrator users who has never use FreeHand will never know what they are missing. This is only one of many many small things FreeHand users have enjoyed for a good many many years... and still enjoying.
Yeah, my main stumbling block with Illus traitor is those 3 damn pointers and selecting anything be it text or object, also it was funny seeing the Adobe approved trainer on the course trying to diss FreeHand's multiple page option by saying "well what is it, is it a page layout package or is it a drawing package"? Eh, it's both you bozo!
yes i will pay for upgrade, I have been using Freehand 8 for 10 years, starting with version 3. it's my livelihood, it what puts food on the table and pays my rent
Yes Yes, A Thousand Times YES!!! Freehand is the best and easiest interface and for total project workflow. Illustrator is CLUNKY, full of bells and whistles but much less intuitive (like using a chainsaw to cut butter) - hence, SLOWER THAN FREEHAND. I'd much rather see them discontinue Illustrator. I had to do usability studies back in the 80s when these two apps first appeared. The time comparisons which my artists completed similar tasks were almost 2 to 1, Freehand is faster to use than Illustrator. Freehand is enormously more intuitive and MORE SIMILAR to Photoshop CS3 and Flash CS3 in user experience than Illustrator.
Thank you guys for coming in and lending your support. To many, this may seem a unless cause but we all know that so long as there are buyers out there willing to pay and is still waiting for that impossible to happen, there is always a possibility. Our time spend here sharing our experience are for a good cause. On the other hand, I may be right to think that Illustrator was mend to be use purely for illustration purposes and nothing else. Where as, Freehand was mend to be a all round software from creative to production. FreeHand multiple page function has never threaten Pagemaker when they first start, so introducing multipage for illustrator will not ever have any threat to InDesign as well. If Adobe is willing to listen and start implementing some of the good things that are mentioned in FH Forums all over the internet, The people who going to gain from this are both FH and Illustrator users.
Adobe must realise by now, if they want to successfully convert FreeHand User into using Illustrator, they must redesign Illustrator from ground Zero. A friend of my once said, writing a program is not difficult but writing a good one, is. The foundation is always the most important of all, get that wrong, everything else are not going to work properly. Give us an Upgrade or make Illustrator more user friendly.
If they just made FH Intel compatible I'd be happy enough... oh and ironed out some of the bugs... and allowed you to colour groups like it used to... and... that's about it
> If they just made FH Intel compatible
But it has been since version 3. ;-)
Yes, I will upgrade my FreeHand MX.
I'd buy it... absolutely,
But do not wait too long.
> If they just made FH Intel compatible
Is it not? It's running on my MacBook.
Boy! don't I look stoopid?
I have been using FH since v.1 (back in the 80s).
At present, where I work has 10 designers, two of them have Intel Macs and they have the ear of 'the powers that be'. They favour the Adobe CS suite, even though they admit FH is much easier/intuitive/faster than anything in their CS arsenal. They do admit, very grudgingly, that FH is a better program, but theirs are the voices that are heard and they love ID. I'm older (wiser... dafter) and grew up on Aldus FreeHand. PageMaker I just couldn't get with, then I discovered Quark XPress. Beautiful package compared to PageMaker.
So, I'm a dinosaur a designosaur,
Go back to my post about the Illustraitor course I went on and the questions I asked the demonstrator/facilitator bloke. I asked similar questions about ID vs Quark. I will use FH and QXP for the rest of my working life - if I'm lucky.
At home it will always be those two progs.
do I still look 'stoopid'?
BTW - FuseTalk is arse compared to the PHPboards
> I would like to point out one small but important thing. Draw a text block in illustrator, type some text, then try moving the text block with your pointer tool. It will move if you point to the text baseline or the perimeter of the text block but if you point anywhere inside the text block, it will not move.
Go to Edit>Preferences>Type and turn off the Type Object Selection By Path Only option.
Jack, you do your own cause more damage than good when you don't check your facts. This is exactly the kind of thing that makes Illustrator devotees think FreeHand users are merely whining because they are too lazy to learn another program that is "no better than Illustrator."
Now let me give you one: In FreeHand, select an object. Now move it numerically, not in terms of vertical and horizontal distances, but in terms of direction and distance.
Now wouldn't you say that functionality is pretty dang basic?
Look: In alot of important and basic ways, FreeHand is a better vector drawing interface than Illustrator ever will be. But the ugly truth is, that's not really saying much.
"FreeHand Addict"? You guys are addicted to mediocrity. (Never mind that AI "addicts" are addicted to worse.) "Give me FreeHand or give me death"? Give me a break. "Monopoly"? Look up the meaning. If this were an illegal monopoly the FTC would be all over it.
If you can't stand Illustrator, give Corel or Canvas a go. Reward them for also being better than Illustrator, and for surviving despite its market share. Moreover, do your homework. Make LEGITIMATE and SUBSTANTIVE comparisons between FH and AI, so that Adobe (and more importantly, Illustrator users) will understand that the complaints are based on meaningful fact, not mere habituated favoritism.
And finally: Post those comparisons where they can make a difference. You guys are just preaching to the choir here. " Millions"? Where do you get that figure? I count 18 different responders in 13 days. Criminy, there's more interest than that in some of the most mundane single threads in the Illustrator forums.
Hi JETLT, Don't get too upset and start using words that wise man would aviod. Thanks for pointing out on the Preference option setting,"Go to Edit>Preferences>Type and turn off the Type Object Selection By Path Only option." I will try out and will come back to report the finding. May I ask one small question, how do you get your files, eg. imported images, links files and fonts to your printer for production when the work is completed. InDesign uses Package, FH uses Collect for Output. What does Illustrator use? Thanks for your time again. Appreciate your pointer.
"Go to Edit>Preferences>Type and turn off the Type Object Selection By Path Only option."
I tried out on both PC and on Mac, Illustrator CS3. No it didn't work. By default, this option is not turn on.
So, I still don't understand how you can overcome the small and important user friendly problem.
Anyone out there can confirm this, would appreciate. Thanks
> "FreeHand Addict"? You guys are addicted to mediocrity. (Never mind that
> "addicts" are addicted to worse.) "Give me FreeHand or give me death"?
> Give me
> a break. "Monopoly"? Look up the meaning. If this were an illegal monopoly
> FTC would be all over it.
Adobe is, indeed, a monopoly. A monopoly in a time and period where the
legal/government environment allows it.
> If you can't stand Illustrator, give Corel or Canvas a go.
I agree. I'd go even further and start working with some of the open source
Of course, given that Adobe is the monopoly, if you want to make a living in
the publishing world, you'll still have to have a copy of AI to get by.