Lr5 shows wrong color for imported sRGB photos

[martin-a]

I have Windows 7 x64 SP1 Home Premium, Lightroom (Lr) 5.7.1, camera Lumix TZ7 (Panasonic DMC-TZ7).
Camera takes photos in sRGB. I installed Lr5 to try it.

I imported photos and after editing and export (to sRGB), I found out that colors are different in other programs.

I 've read some forums/articles to find solution. I re-calibrate monitor w/ Spyder3 and created new monitor color profile.

Colors in Lr5 changed a little bit but still big difference w/ other SW.

I use usually SW for photos: Gimp 2.8.18, DPP 4.4.30.2 (Digital Photo Professional 4, Canon)

All my SW is set to work in sRGB color space and until Lr5 I have no issue w/ colors. Exported photos looks ok on all devices.

What I'm doing wrong or is there bug in Lr5?

[Pic. left: Lr5, right: Gimp]

[JP Hess]

Lightroom works in a wider color space, more like Prophoto. This could be one contributing factor. What other software are you using besides Gimp to look at your images?

[martin-a]

I already said: DPP4. And some non-color managed viewers like XnView.

[Jao vdL]

It's highly unlikely that LR is showing you the wrong thing. Are you sure gimp is set up to color manage correctly? If I remember correctly from years ago, you have to actually point it to the correct icc profile for your monitor.

[martin-a]

Hmm, you can check forums here or google to see how many issues are w/ colors in Lr or Ps.
I changed my color profile for monitor - I used Spyder3 for it. (as I already noted).

[Brad_Polt-Jones]

Another possibility is experimenting with Camera Calibration profile in Lightroom. This can have a big impact on perceived color. The Camera Calibration panel is at the bottom of the Develop Module. If it is currently set to Adobe Standard, then try changing it to Camera Standard see if that helps.  This only impacts the color seen on the screen while in Lightroom.

[martin-a]

There is only 1 option: Profile: Embedded. What does it mean?

[JP Hess]

It means that you are probably looking at a JPEG file. The JPEG file will  have the profile "embedded" that was chosen in the camera. That doesn't happen with raw images.

[martin-a]

JimHess  napsal(a):

It means that you are probably looking at a JPEG file. The JPEG file will have the profile "embedded" that was chosen in the camera. That doesn't happen with raw images.

Yes, my camera makes JPEG files. I want to use Lr for them. I guess it's possible. Lr supports JPEG files as input, doesn't it?

[JP Hess]

I'm not sure what your question is, really. Of course Lightroom imports and allows you to work on JPEG images. It's just that most people find they are able to obtain better results by shooting raw because there are other controls available that are not available when shooting JPEG. Specifically, there is no ability to choose different camera profiles when shooting JPEG images. And there is greater capability to recover highlights and shadows in raw images.

[Per Berntsen]

martin-a wrote:

I changed my color profile for monitor - I used Spyder3 for it

Is there an option in the Spyder software where you can choose either creating a version 2 or version 4 ICC profile ?

Lightoom has a problem with version 4 profiles, so if you used that option, recalibrate using version 2,

[martin-a]

Per Berntsen  napsal(a):

martin-a wrote:

I changed my color profile for monitor - I used Spyder3 for it

Is there an option in the Spyder software where you can choose either creating a version 2 or version 4 ICC profile ?

Lightoom has a problem with version 4 profiles, so if you used that option, recalibrate using version 2,

How to check ver of ICC profile? I ran the sw once only , I don't know if it can show ver of icc.

[martin-a]

Is there an option in the Spyder software where you can choose either creating a version 2 or version 4 ICC profile ?

Lightoom has a problem with version 4 profiles, so if you used that option, recalibrate using version 2,

How to check ver of ICC profile? I ran the sw once only , I don't know if it can show ver of icc.

It's probably ver 2.4 (0x2400000)

[Jao vdL]

DPP, xnview and gimp do not by default color manage using your display profile. So they will not show you the correct color. You have to turn it on in their preferences.

[martin-a]

Jao vdL  napsal(a):

DPP, xnview and gimp do not by default color manage using your display profile. So they will not show you the correct color. You have to turn it on in their preferences.

Gimp and DPP are set to use color profiles (in pref), they are color managed sw. XnView probably isn't, so let's skip it.

[martin-a]

May I ask someone from Adobe to review my question?

[Per Berntsen]

The icc version number will be an option in the calibration process, so to find out, you would have to recalibrate.

Also follow the advice given by jao vdL and make sure color management is enabled in the apps you use.

[martin-a]

Per Berntsen  napsal(a):

The icc version number will be an option in the calibration process, so to find out, you would have to recalibrate.

Also follow the advice given by jao vdL and make sure color management is enabled in the apps you use.

I cannot re-run calibration, I had to return hw for calibration. But I would say it's ver 2.4. If it's critical, pls tell me how to check ICC ver? I used ICC Profile Inspector and it says 0x240000. (that's way I think it's 2.4).
I already answered reg. my Gimp and DPP, both are set to use color management.

Could be issue w/ how Lr read embedded profile in my jpg photos?

[Per Berntsen]

I'm not familiar with the ICC Profile Inspector, but I think ICC profiles are either version 2.2 or 4.2 (although I could be wrong).

But to establish whether there's a problem with your monitor profile or not, try setting it to sRGB (or Adobe RGB if you have a wide gamut monitor). If this fixes the problem, the monitor profile is defective (or the wrong version).

Go to Control Panel > Color management.

Add the sRGB profile, then set it as Default profile. See screenshot below.

[martin-a]

Per Berntsen  napsal(a):

I'm not familiar with the ICC Profile Inspector, but I think ICC profiles are either version 2.2 or 4.2 (although I could be wrong).

But to establish whether there's a problem with your monitor profile or not, try setting it to sRGB (or Adobe RGB if you have a wide gamut monitor). If this fixes the problem, the monitor profile is defective (or the wrong version).

Go to Control Panel > Color management.

Add the sRGB profile, then set it as Default profile. See screenshot below.

Yes, I did it.

Now, the colors are different than before but the same in Lr and Gimp.

I have already tried this excercise, so I know this not last step. What now?

[Per Berntsen]

Now, the colors are different than before but the same in Lr and Gimp.

This means that the monitor profile was either corrupted/defective, or it was a version 4 profile, which LR doesn't like.

As far as I know, the older Spyders don't have a good reputation, so if I were you, I'd buy a new calibrator, and make sure to use a version 2 profile.

Until then, I would use the sRGB profile.

From what I can tell, your monitor is somewhere between standard gamut and wide gamut, so using sRGB should be OK, and the colors that you now see should be close to correct.

If your photos in LR now look wrong, you have to edit them so that they look right.

[martin-a]

I need to go back to Spyder/DELL profile until I have new 2.0-Matrix icc. (DELL is my original profile)
Currently I use DPP4 for jpg photos but it has very few features for jpg (than for raw), so I'm looking for replacement for jpg photos. If not icc issue fixed, I cannot use Lr. 17 days remain for testing.

[Per Berntsen]

martin-a wrote:

I need to go back to Spyder/DELL profile until I have new 2.0-Matrix icc. (DELL is my original profile)

I get the impression that you borrowed the Spyder from someone, and had to return it.

Until you can recalibrate with upgraded software and/or a new calibrator, stick with sRGB, it shoudn't be far off.

It's much better to have a known, good profile that roughly matches your screens' color gamut than a calibration profile that there is clearly something wrong with.

Would be helpful to upg to Lr6 ?

No, it wouldn't make any difference whatsoever. The problem is the monitor profile, not Lightroom.

[Todd Shaner]

martin-a wrote:

Now, the colors are different than before but the same in Lr and Gimp.

I have already tried this excercise, so I know this not last step. What now?

You've confirmed there is a compatibility issue with the Spyder 3 display profile and LR. The next step is to check the Spyder 3 calibrration software Preferences for Profile Type. Select 'Matrix' (not LUT) and ICC v2 (not v4). You may need to go into the Advanced mode or whatever Datacolor calls it. If these settings are not available I suggest checking the Datacolor website for the later version of the software and install it. If the issue persists then your only option is to use the sRGB profile (not the vest choice) or purchase a newer monitor calibrator.

[martin-a]

trshaner  napsal(a):

martin-a wrote:

Now, the colors are different than before but the same in Lr and Gimp.

I have already tried this excercise, so I know this not last step. What now?

You've confirmed there is a compatibility issue with the Spyder 3 display profile and LR. The next step is to check the Spyder 3 calibrration software Preferences for Profile Type. Select 'Matrix' (not LUT) and ICC v2 (not v4). You may need to go into the Advanced mode or whatever Datacolor calls it. If these settings are not available I suggest checking the Datacolor website for the later version of the software and install it. If the issue persists then your only option is to use the sRGB profile (not the vest choice) or purchase a newer monitor calibrator.

That looks like useful info. Thanks.
I can run only SW part of Spyder3 - I found that default (my profile) is ver 2.0.
There is nothing like Matrix/LUT in setting, there is only:

   Chromatic Adaption mode: Bradford (or XYZ Scaling) - any idea if this is Matrix? I have read some articles and it should be. (source:  ICC Profile Conversion Intents )

Maybe I will try to get newer calibrator. Or use some sw-only calibration. The goal is 2.0-Matrix icc. The exact colors are not important in this step, just to check if Lr will be happy w/ such icc.