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    Audition CC without a subscription

    Bobaudio Level 1

      Is Audition CC available without a subscription? I'm interested in upgrading, but would like to purchase it without a monthly payment being needed.

        • 1. Re: Audition CC without a subscription
          _durin_ Adobe Employee

          Hi Bob,

           

          Audition CC and all other Adobe CC applications and services, are only available through the Creative Cloud subscription.  You may still purchase Audition CS6, but any new features and functionality will only be available with a subscription.

          • 2. Re: Audition CC without a subscription
            rlterry

            You may still purchase Audition CS6...

             

             

            Hi, I was unable to find a purchase option for Audition CS6 without the monthly subscription.  Also to be clear, updates will not be available to people like ourselves that want to buy the program without being tethered to the monthly fee?  No repository for such independent customers?  No ability to add future updates manually?  I also need to install on a computer that is not connected to the internet and never will be unless it's a decision based on my own reasons, not a software company's.  All OS updates are even manually installed when I feel it's necessary.

             

            Given that is the case, the creative cloud represents a model that's a dream for software developers (tighter control) and the antithesis for the paying public (connected in some way at some time in order to work or continue working over time). I know I'm not the only one that wants to buy straight out and have support as I deem fit, which to this day has been never other than whatever updates necessary for AA to run as designed. I don't want to be a part of (and be compromised as a result of) a company's campaign solution to fend off some ominous threat of software sharing "terrorists", which I feel is the strongest argument for adopting this format and catering only to it. Not trying to be arbitrary, this is just an honest appraisal that I'm confident reflects more than a few customers in the minority.  Not trying to rally for any change, just to understand exactly what a "traditional" paying customer (ie dinosaur?) can expect before moving forward.  Thanks for enduring a bit of my concern and perhaps unnecessary disappointment, but I just wanted to share how I'm not at all enthusiastic about being required to hand-shake my computer with any company at their discretion for some kind of approval check once I've made my purchase.  Fortunately I don't rely on any specific software that requires doing such things and simply would rather protest those that do than succumb to them.  Thanks for hearing out my opinion :-)

            • 3. Re: Audition CC without a subscription
              SteveG(AudioMasters) Adobe Community Professional

              rlterry wrote:

               

              I don't want to be a part of (and be compromised as a result of) a company's campaign solution to fend off some ominous threat of software sharing "terrorists", which I feel is the strongest argument for adopting this format and catering only to it.

              It's a reason, certainly, but I don't think it's the primary one. That appears to be that this model puts Adobe in a win-win situation, because it gets very neatly around the ridiculous Sarbanes-Oxley legislation by never determining that a version is 'finished software', whereby it never needs a (apparently expensive) Certificate of Completion, or whatever they call it, and this makes accounting much easier and cheaper. And in the same breath, it gives the Bean Counters a revenue stream. Microsoft are doing the same thing, but apparently being a little more subtle about it.

               

              Other than that, I have considerable sympathy with your views...

              • 4. Re: Audition CC without a subscription
                Kost7 Level 1

                SteveG(AudioMasters) wrote:

                 

                because it gets very neatly around the ridiculous Sarbanes-Oxley legislation by never determining that a version is 'finished software',

                OK, I can understand that. But if it were a bit cheaper than what we used to pay for upgrades…  Sound remover is great. I removed cell phone, my old cat and  Ritchie’s guitar from Smoke On The Water ... well, almost.

                • 5. Re: Audition CC without a subscription
                  _durin_ Adobe Employee

                  Thanks for the rational and honest feedback and questions.  I've heard a lot of feedback from Audition and Adobe users about the move to Creative Cloud - some glowing, some ranting, some confused - and I know there's no single, specific answer to most of the questions.  What we've found is that much of the negativity is based on misunderstandings or confusion about why Adobe has made this humongous change to their business model and how it affects our customers.

                   

                  It's absolutely a BIG change, and a dynamic one at that, so expect to see many of the concerns or problems get sorted out over the next several months.  With regards to our current CS6 and earlier customers who are not opting into Creative Cloud, here's what is planned:

                  • No new functionality: Part of the reason for this change has to do with revenue recognition regulations for public corporations which limit a companies ability to offer new features or services to a product that has already been paid for.  For CS6 users, we will not be releasing any new updates that expand features and functionality.
                  • OS and security updates: The regulations do allow us to make sure the products we've already sold continue to work with new technology.  As operating systems and hardware updates are available, Adobe has committed to ensuring our CS6 applications remain compatible and up-to-date, as well as updates for any security issues that may come to our attention.

                  There are no significant changes to service for existing users apart from a lack of upgrades.  CS6 installations need to be online for initial activation only, but will not require an internet connection to function indefinitely.

                   

                  So why should Creative Cloud be considered?  Why would a company with a $23 Billion dollar market cap make such a gamble with their primary product line?  On the surface, it seems to have a lot of marks against it including a monthly recurring charge, the requirement for internet connectivity, and for some users, a higher average yearly cost - especially for users who skip versions between upgrades.  I'll admit that it took me some time to grok this, but I've come around and embraced what the entire Creative Cloud environment has the potential to offer - and it's more than just a handful of desktop applications.  This model has worked well for the last 20 years, but in so many ways, times be changin' and the businesses that prosper moving forward will be the ones who adapt and adopt these shifts.  Here's why I think Creative Cloud has merit for businesses of all sizes:

                  • Release frequency:  For the teams building these applications, this model is incredible.  Everyone is passionate about what they're building and the people who are using their products.  We prioritize our feature lists for each release based on feedback from our users and really love making our customers thrilled when they see a new command or tool that they requested.  In the past, however, our release cycles were between 18-24 months, though we've knocked that down to around 12 or so recently.  Still, that means an incredible tool we build during that first month of the development cycle, the killer feature that could solve everyday problems and reduce the time spent on dull work making more time available for creative work or life itself, that feature is stuck in the shadows for the next year.  Worse, often we can't even let our users know it's coming!  With Creative Cloud, the teams are far more in control of when those releases occur and we can respond to requests far more quickly than before.
                  • Flexibility of licensing:  Many companies have seasonal spikes, or hire based on specific projects, and purchasing a dozen perpetual licenses can take a bite out of a budget.  With CC for teams, or by increasing subscriptions on a month-to-month basis, companies should be able to far better estimate and control their costs.  For users who may work on multiple OS platforms, there is no longer a need to purchase two licenses.  In fact, since a license is tied to your own account, a mobile creator could sit down at practically any workstation, install the tools they need for the job, and sign out when they're done.
                  • Up-front cost:  The fixed $49.95/month for the entire CC, or less for students and upgraders who take advantage of various promos as they occur, is a far lower price to jump in than buying the Master Collection or upgrades ever was.  Even for those who skipped upgrades for several versions, the amortized cost is usually far lower over time.  I know this is not the case for many single-application subscribers to products like Audition, and I'm investigating what options we may have to better answer this disparity.  I also feel the same gut-level rejection of paying monthly rather than a big, up-front lump sum.  This response is based on an idea that I'm buying a single product, however one of the more interesting aspects of Creative Cloud that necessitates a subscription-style approach is...
                  • Services: Adobe is actively building a foundation and back-end environment that is allowing us to dream and invent new ways for our applications and our users to work together, and we're looking to our customers to help figure out what compelling services we can create and include in their subscription.  There are several basic offerings already available or coming soon, such as file versioning, synchronization, and archiving.  Obvious services could include review and comment, delivery, and payment processing as well as lead generation and distribution.  But I'm personally more interested in the not-so-obvious services Adobe could build integrated and online services to improve your businesses and experience.  For video users who are scared of audio editing, could we offer an in-Premiere tool to analyze and repair audio via a background web service that uses Audition's stellar restoration tools?  What are some of the aspects of what you do that are not enjoyable but have largely just become habit as part of doing business? 

                  My fingers are getting tired and my belly is reminding me that I've only had coffee today, but there's a lot more I could say.  There's also a rebuttal for each of these points, and while I don't see Adobe turning around on subscriptions moving forward, I'm glad they've committed to keeping CS6 available for our users who may not need to keep at the forefront of technology or a host of unrelated applications for what they do. 

                   

                  I agree with you that locating the pages to buy CS6 applications is not very easy to find.  Several of us have made this point to the web and management teams and expect it to be resolved soon.  In the meantime, you can find the CS6 Purchase links by visiting:

                  https://www.adobe.com/products/catalog/cs6._sl_id-contentfilter_sl_catalog_sl_software_sl_ creativesuite6.html?start=10

                  • 6. Re: Audition CC without a subscription
                    Alan Craven Level 4

                    _durin_ wrote:

                     

                    Thanks for the rational and honest feedback and questions.  I've heard a lot of feedback from Audition and Adobe users about the move to Creative Cloud - some glowing, some ranting, some confused - and I know there's no single, specific answer to most of the questions.  What we've found is that much of the negativity is based on misunderstandings or confusion about why Adobe has made this humongous change to their business model and how it affects our customers.

                     

                     

                     

                    So those who do not like this new model software are either ranters or confused, are they?  There is no acceptance in Adobe's thinking for reasoned objection to this new model softare provision.

                     

                    Not exactly an attitude to improved the strained relationship between  many of Adobe's long-term customers and the company!

                     

                    Perhaps I should be charitable and put it down to the coffee.

                    • 7. Re: Audition CC without a subscription
                      _durin_ Adobe Employee

                      That's certainly not what I meant to imply.  The majority of negative feedback we've received has been thoughtful and tempered.  There have been folks who did not understand what Creative Cloud was or who reacted based on misinformation or false rumors.  And there have been several instances of what I would absolutely define as a "rant" where the person was upset and was not looking for answers or a discussion and were not amenable to a reasonable conversation.  And everyone of those users feelings are valid and are taken into consideration, no matter the coarseness of their language. 

                      • 8. Re: Audition CC without a subscription
                        Alan Craven Level 4

                        I'll put the slip down to the coffee diet, then.

                         

                        Moral : never post on an empty stomach!

                        • 9. Re: Audition CC without a subscription
                          SuiteSpot Level 4

                          I'm just going to throw my two bob's worth in for what it's worth (which may prove to be not much).......

                           

                          My first reaction to this whole Cloud thing was not good with the crux of the problem being 'renting' software and more importantly the idea that should I cease to 'rent' I'm essentially out of business - I wouldn't be able to access ANY Audition sessions.

                           

                          Well IMO this is probably the main issue for most people (I'll come back to this later)

                           

                          From an Adobe perspective (as Durin points out) this is a very good model and I have to agree with him

                           

                          OK so I currently have my head in the "Cloud" and  the first thing I notice is that Adobe have a $hit load of very good (let's not mince words - excellent applications)

                          Sure I'm (probably) never going to use any of them (well probably not as I have legitimate earlier versions of the Master Collection etal and I don't use much out of that - Photoshop & Dreamweaver maybe). Well I'm not going to count the $1,500 I just received for throwing together a website in Muse in about 15 minutes, hmmmm.

                           

                          So I guess I'm saying that Adobe needs to do something about the single-app user

                           

                          I can see the Cloud being a very good thing - updates in weeks/months rather than years has to be a very good thing!

                          IMO the current pricing for multi-app users is realistic (and hopefully doesnt creep up too much in price over time)

                           

                          I'm hoping that Adobe implement some sort of 'lease' idea rather than a 'rental' one such that after some time of 'renting' a user has the option to 'buy out' their 'lease'

                          That way they can still use the application but no longer get updates, etc - much like a car lease.

                           

                          Anyway IMO there is much much more to this 'Cloud' thing than I first envisaged and and it may well be that for some users they have to look a bit harder for the 'silver lining'

                           

                          YMMV

                          • 10. Re: Audition CC without a subscription
                            Kost7 Level 1

                            SuiteSpot wrote:

                             

                             

                            So I guess I'm saying that Adobe needs to do something about the single-app user

                             

                             

                            Amen!

                             

                             

                            SuiteSpot wrote:

                             

                             

                            I'm hoping that Adobe implement some sort of 'lease' idea rather than a 'rental' one such that after some time of 'renting' a user has the option to 'buy out' their 'lease'

                            That way they can still use the application but no longer get updates, etc - much like a car lease.

                             

                            Yes, give us some hope

                            • 11. Re: Audition CC without a subscription
                              SteveG(AudioMasters) Adobe Community Professional

                              One of the other issues that's been discussed a little (and not in any way resolved) is that of the cloud being of value to teams of workers. That's fine, and I can see the advantages there. But in a very real sense, Audition is rather the odd one out in this scenario, because it isn't a visually-based app. Not only that, but as SuiteSpot sort-of observes, Audition users tend not to be members of teams, and are much more likely to be working on their own. So, a lot of the flaunted benefits of the Adobe cloud model don't apply to them, as such.

                               

                              If you analyse the potential benefits from this point of view to Audition users in this situation, it pretty much comes down to the updated software being the only one that benefits them. But until that actually happens, and a real benefit becomes obvious, they're being forced to pay up on a 'jam tomorrow' basis. So I can very much understand the reluctance of a lot of individuals to want to join up to this model, as the downsides (the occasional need for internet connection to a DAW, the fact that you cannot have a copy of the software in perpetuity) seem to rather outweigh the advantages. And, if the upgrades appear only to consist of bugfixes, then I think that the complaints would be pretty much justified.

                               

                              So, unless Adobe manage to add real perceived value in terms of individual users, I can see potential sales being lost, I'm afraid. Which would be a shame, because we are talking about a class product here.

                              • 12. Re: Audition CC without a subscription
                                RJRadio Level 1

                                @SteveG(AudioMasters) pretty much summed it up very nicely as to a single user in a radio environment.  Also in a Radio enviornment when stations budget for the year I can't see engineers, who in my experience, do the installation and management of software for radio chains, wouldn't be able to confince management on high of a monthly rental senario for single seat users in each of their production and imaging departments.

                                 

                                 

                                Cheers

                                • 13. Re: Audition CC without a subscription
                                  Alan Craven Level 4

                                  I would extend SuiteSpot's  "single-app user" to include users of two or three applications only, e.g. me.  Also I am a hobbyist, and make no money from my editing activites.

                                   

                                  I use Premiere/Encore, Audition and Photoshop only, and with the possible exception of After Effects, the rest would just be so much junk cluttering my hard drive, were I to bother downloading it.  Audition and Photoshop, as they stand, provide all that I need in their areas - though I appreciate that Audition is lacking as it stands for more serious users.  Premiere would be fine but for the serious bugs introduced with CS6 - notably with AVCHD files, and the new Warp Stabiliser.

                                   

                                  In the UK market, once you go beyond two applications you would be better off paying for the whole shebang.

                                   

                                  The second of SuiteSpot's points, regarding "lease" rather than rent, leading to an option to buy-out permanent access would also be essential before I would condider signing up.

                                   

                                  A  third problem for me is the usual Adobe price-gouging outside North America (or is it just the USA which benefits).  Harm Millard has published some graphic data illustrating this point in the Premiere Forum, and elsewhere.

                                   

                                  Finally, the one year discount is scant reward for many long-term users, compared with the johnny-come-latelys.

                                  • 14. Re: Audition CC without a subscription
                                    bram warner

                                    I`ve been using Audition (and no other Adobe program) in addition to Samplitude Pro X. In 2012 i was able to upgrade a TLP license for 99,- €. Now I should pay 295,08 € (12 x 24,59 € = 387 US Dollar) for one app ? For an upgrade?

                                    In German we say: "Wie krank ist das denn?"  I´m jumping ship, no discussion, no return, and you should do also. There are enough good alternatives, one I mentioned before.

                                    • 15. Re: Audition CC without a subscription
                                      liv3evil

                                      My two cents:

                                       

                                      I've been using/paying for Audition since it was Syntrillium-owned, all the way back to Cool Edit '95.

                                       

                                      There is no chance I will pay $240/year ($19.99/month) for it. Maybe if it was $100/year, which is similar to the current upgrade cycle going off my records (I upgraded to CS6 on 07/26/12 for $81, and to CS5.5 on 04/28/11 for $105.19).

                                       

                                      It's very sad to me, as Audition is my all-time favorite piece of software.

                                       

                                      Oh well. Things change. As I migrated to Pixelmator ($14.99) from Photoshop, I'll find a lesser alternative that will get the job done.

                                      • 16. Re: Audition CC without a subscription
                                        ryclark Adobe Community Professional

                                        For existing customers it is $9.99/month for a single app.