14
Replies
The problems with anything new being suggested in this forum, or even the pre-release and being rejected by participants and Dw, is not new, (at least not for me) the difference now though, is that Muse and similar programs, are starting to take over the markets that the point and click site creators, (cannot call them developers, as they are not) think Dw and the old coding or 3rd party framework methods of building web sites should occupy, and such site creators are trying desperately to hold on to their clients, fortunatly they are failing because they cannot offer anything more than Muse at the price being asked.
I say fortunately not to gloat, but simply in the hope that it will make people think about what they must offer clients, that programs like Muse cannot.
New, scares many people especially when they cannot adapt. Ben has said many times in this forum that css grid layouts are the way forward, but now that they can be used, and the use has proven not so simple, we have had no feedback from him. I wonder if the next css layout method when it is announced will become the new, 'lets wait for that' feature.
It may be worth those interested, looking in on the pre-release just to see what is happening and being discussed. There would be no requirement to join in, (nothing to join in with) or actually test Dw, but it would show you what i am complaining about.
As for me, that glass of wine, with a good book and a chair by the river bank is calling 
.
A good glass of wine is my order of the day, not quite every day, but I'm working on that .
I also post in other forums, but they are aimed at the corporate developer, and managers of large teams, the reason I also post here, is that in general such discussions do remain within the limited number of regular participants, and it is much easier to discuss something amongst 4-8 people, than it is amongst 20-30. With grids though, I hit the same problem as I had with flexbox a few years back, in that I could do it my way, but did not know if that was the best way, yes asking 20+ people how they would do it does provide a lot of feedback, the trouble is it can also be too much feedback.
Such discussions as one on css shapes, i would not specifically actually target anyone, but i would often hope that the forum regulars provide the main interesing comments, that applies if i agree with that comment or not, and i will mark comments as helpfull even if i disagee, as it is often the feedback and differing views that i find helpfull.
What does often bring me to start discussions, is that i know developers in the corporate and large e-commerce world, are often using a lot of the specs long before the small to medium site developer will even consider looking at them, let alone using them, and that no matter how i try, i simply do not understand the 'why It has become so'.
It used to be that small or personal sites were the ones that first implemented new ways of doing anything, but since html5 became the love it or hate it, buzz word and way of working, it has changed to the small or personal site not doing anything that is not 'done' for them, or that is much beyond using css 2 and html4 capabilities. This to me has given every such site the same behaviours and 'feel' when using. Then the developers of such sites, (yes i do talk to other developers in person) complain that work is getting harder to find.
Maybe it is nostalgia that makes me keep trying to bring Dw back to what it used to be, and for trying to do that and complaining that 'no one is listening' (i won't say who 
) i do not apologise for. An example of how i used to use Dw would be in CS6, when i would share the screen with other developers, and could quickly put together a demo of a concept that i was working on, then simply select live view to show it. This way of working is simply no longer possible anymore, and before anyone says that is just me, it is not. I know a lot of people who used to use Dw in a similar way, but no longer use Dw because it does not support the features required, and makes it harder to use.
In the last pre-release, it was said that they are trying to win back users who have abandoned Dw, but everyone i talk to outside of Adobe supporters, and who did look at what was being offered, came to the same conclussions i hold, on their own. It's no good making statments, such as the 'win back users' if they then forget that the web has moved on, and the basic requirements are not met.
I'm new to flexbox. After reading about how simple it can make responsive design layouts I instantly thought this is the right direction for me. However, despite it's wide support as a cross-browser solution Dreamweaver 2017 doesn't support it. I am retrofitting a non-responsive website and it is going well... but it could be even easier if DW 2017 was able to show my design in the Design view.
Dreamweaver does not display <divs> with their flexbox attributes they are simply flat-lined across the page. This is clearly an elementary step forward in design and I am gobsmacked that Adobe has not managed to implement support for this.
How the layout appears in browser preview...
How the layout looks in Design View in DW 2017!
This really cannot be the best that Adobe is able to do. It would be impressive if you told me that the next update would include this missing flexbox support 
AdChoices