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    Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?

    AnotherMe Level 1

      In 2017 using Dreamweaver do you still hard-code your web design?

        • 1. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
          Jon Fritz II Adobe Community Professional & MVP

          Yup.

           

          Except I use CC2015 for that, CC2018's code view is too glitchy for my liking.

          • 2. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
            osgood_ Level 8

            Dreamweaver, or any other editor, I always manually code a website, no html frameworks, extensions or plugins. I personally think it pays off to do so in respect of being able to manipulate coding to dance to your tune, others will disagree and go down the route of using front-end frameworks, extensions etc. Each to their own, whatever the individual think is best for themselves but dont expect me to endorse using front-end frameworks, plugins and extensions based on years of experience and now enjoying all the freedom that being a skilled coder affords you.

            • 3. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
              AnotherMe Level 1

              What code do you hard code with?  What steps did you take to master hard coding? Are you a designer as well?

              • 4. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                AnotherMe Level 1

                Pardon my question, but my manually coding do you mean hard coding?

                • 5. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                  osgood_ Level 8

                  AnotherMe  wrote

                   

                  Pardon my question, but my manually coding do you mean hard coding?

                   

                  By 'hard coding' do you mean avoiding the DW helper panels and predominately 'design view', working the majority of the time in code view?

                  • 6. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                    Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                    I mainly work in Code View with HTML, CSS, jQuery or JavaScript, PHP and SQL.

                     

                    If I'm adding content to an existing site  layout, I occasionally use Design or Live View. 

                     

                    I never use the CSS Designer Panels.  For me, code hinting and auto-completion are much faster than panels.

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                    • 7. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                      Jon Fritz II Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                      I manually code my sites in html, css, javascript and php.

                       

                      Every now and again, I'll use an off the shelf third party script or extension if I'm in a time crunch or the client wants a specific plug-in.

                       

                      Like Nancy, I find DW's code hinting to be faster than trying to use the UI's dialogue boxes for most things. Aside from a handful of extension developers, who truly spend the time needed to make the interface option faster, DW's a bit of a dog when it comes to clicking through options and menus.

                      • 8. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                        Jon Fritz II Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                        AnotherMe  wrote

                         

                        ...What steps did you take to master hard coding? Are you a designer as well?


                        I started as a graphic designer and was eventually hired on at a company that used GoLive to make websites. As time went by and I couldn't find the "why" for something not working the way I wanted in the software, I started looking at code. The more code I learned, the more I found I didn't need the software to do things for me. GoLive was great for making something happen but terrible at making it happen efficiently.

                         

                        When Adobe killed GL, I had enough html and css under my belt that moving to DW was a snap. The UI was decidedly "Macromedia" so I didn't like using it if I didn't have to. As a result, my coding skills got better. Then I came back to the forums. At that time, just around GL's death, this place was full of people asking how to do things that weren't built into DW. As I tried to help them, I was teaching myself how to do those things via code instead of clicking through the menu system hoping to find something similar to what they wanted.

                         

                        It's nice not needing the program to get my work done. If the mood strikes me, I can happily plug along coding with Notepad and previewing in a browser with the free Filezilla for uploading. If it weren't for some of DW's site management tools, I probably wouldn't use it anymore either, but it comes free with a subscription to Photoshop, InDesign and Illustrator, so I might as well stick with it.

                        • 9. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                          Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                          I also started in graphics & print design.  But for fun, I dabbled a little with Basic and later HTML.

                           

                          The big turning point for me was learning to think less like a print designer and more like a coder.  The things we do in print do not always translate well to the web.  So comprises & adjustments must be made.

                           

                          I still use paper and pen to draw rough web page layouts for phone, tablet and desktop which I then re-create with code in Dreamweaver.

                          • 10. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                            B i r n o u Adobe Community Professional

                            being addict to pen and rought paper, and coming from the plastic arts, it's hard to find a digital tool under hands... yes having multiple screens , a wacom and a video/sound system near

                             

                            so I don't use DW to code... it is not well adapted for my workflow.

                             

                            Dw is a great and unique tool to manage projects, have a general view of web sites and being able to quickly patch here and there some glitchs, dispatch sources files to the appropriate tools (on that point, the definition of a basic text editor that has been removed is severely lacking)...

                             

                            for coding purpose which is one of my own principal activity, I use sublime text or visual... surrounded by tools like emmet, sass, some gems and of course a php framework based on WP/MariaDB. I often use ultraedit studio which offers a range of organizational tools quite remarkable

                             

                            most of the time much of the tasks are handle by gulp, grunt or npm

                             

                            but as I said above, DW remains an essential tool for the management and quick start of projects.

                            • 11. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                              BenPleysier Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                              It all boils down to using the right tool for the project at hand. Fortunately I find that I use Dreamweaver most of the time because it serves me best. With the inclusion of Less/Sass and Git along with extensions, I find that I am using other tools less and less. All we need now is a way to concatenate and minimise the JS files and we are home and hosed.

                              • 12. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                osgood_ Level 8

                                https://forums.adobe.com/people/B+i+r+n+o+u  wrote

                                 

                                I often use ultraedit studio which offers a range of organizational tools quite remarkable

                                 

                                 

                                Couldn't get on with that one myself, personally - so we all obviously have very different tastes and workflows.

                                • 13. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                  Ussnorway Adobe Community Professional

                                  i hand code when I need to make my own... I use Dreamweaver when I need to fix someone elses code

                                  • 14. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                    B i r n o u Adobe Community Professional

                                    I was using winmerge to compare files... but one day, it wasn't doing the job I was expecting... I do'nt remember what it was, neither I don't remember whose gave me the link to ultra edit... but at that time I gave it a try for the comparing features... woaw... I was impressed... and since, I've bought the studio ,and when I need to compare, folders, files, archives, PDF, docx... anything ultra edit is there around the corner...

                                     

                                    then I discovered ultra find... and woaw again... so amazing (it find duplicate files as it eat its breakfast).... so depending on the task, I swap in between Bridge and Ultra Edit... but here again it is still around the corner...

                                     

                                    the client FTP is not much than filezilla (at least for what I need from it), as much fast than FZ... (but any way soooooo faster that the DW's one) and ice on cake... it is sync with all the studio, and so between the previous results (from compare and find)...

                                     

                                    but I don't try to convince anyone... I was just saying that everyday it save me hours and hours when clients call and send me project to rescue

                                    • 15. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                      pziecina Level 7

                                      I go on holiday for a week, and find that no one uses Dw, or is planning on moving to Wappler.

                                       

                                      Now to the OP's question, (as i understand it).

                                      Hard coding i interpretate as static code, with nothing dynamic included, which i will do if required, but Dw is now for me dead, (Adobe should take a good look at the roadmap, as it is alienating many long time users of Dw).

                                       

                                      Reading other posts, i begin to wonder if we should change the Dw forum format, as I am uncertain about the seriousness of it continuing as it currently is. Even those who profess to being Dw supporters, members of CAB and pre-release are in both this and other discussions presenting two different opinions, here they support Dw, in other discussions, (and sometime those who are honest also in this one) are looking to move to another program, or already have.

                                      • 16. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                        osgood_ Level 8

                                        pziecina  wrote

                                         

                                        I go on holiday for a week, and find that no one uses Dw, or is planning on moving to Wappler

                                         

                                        Im already finding the timing of that a bit of a joke. Wasnt the public beta meant to come out 10 days after the closed beta ended or did the closed beta gets extended and then extended again until it got extended again after most of the program was rewritten because the beta testers, who were all quite old, suddenly died and the developers of said program thought it might be a good idea to include  bootstrap 5, which wasnt even developed yet, so it all became very confusing and the project was put on hold for thanks giving at which point everyone got a bit bored and got on with their lives? Is that the Wappler which is being referred to here or is it Bootstrap 4 in disguise with a couple of limited extensions thrown in for good measure?

                                         

                                        Happy days are hear again...

                                        • 17. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                          pziecina Level 7

                                          The entire Wappler and Dw development programs, are themeslves becomming a joke.

                                           

                                          Wappler is now so far behind, it is slowly becoming another of those 'out-of-date' by the time it is released ideas.

                                           

                                          As for Dw, many of those in the Dw CAB/pre-release are part of the Wappler closed beta, so i don't think Dw's development future looks good either.

                                          • 18. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                            BenPleysier Adobe Community Professional & MVP
                                            many of those in the Dw CAB/pre-release are part of the Wappler closed beta

                                            Not true, I think that Brad and I are the only ones.

                                             

                                            As a side note, I get upset when I see false or greatly exaggerated statements while pretending that it is the truth. It makes the author of such statements unbelievable.

                                            • 19. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                              osgood_ Level 8

                                              What is unbelievable is the developers obviously of said program thought they were ready or almost ready to release it if you believe the rubbish posted about it by them saying closed beta would be for a period of 10 days and then a public release would follow shortly. All l can assume is the original closed beta must have been poor for it to be delayed this long if they thought they were almost ready. I said it would not be released anytime soon and yet again l am proven correct.

                                              • 20. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                                pziecina Level 7

                                                BenPleysier  wrote

                                                 

                                                As a side note, I get upset when I see false or greatly exaggerated statements while pretending that it is the truth. It makes the author of such statements unbelievable.

                                                Yes it does Ben.

                                                 

                                                If you go to a couple of the other Adobe forums that are interested in web design, and other forums that are not Adobe, you will find more than a small insignificant number of those mentioning Wappler also profess to being in the Dw pre-release, comparing Dw and Wappler, (even in beta) and as you say, yourself and Brad are both testing Wappler and are members of CAB.

                                                 

                                                Note - CAB and pre-release are two seperate groups. CAB is by invite only, and pre-release is now open to just about anyone.

                                                • 22. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                                  B i r n o u Adobe Community Professional

                                                  so far from hard coding... anyway... as the thread only focus on Wappler... I re ask the same question, than in an other thread... please did anyone has tested Pinegrow, I just saw in the doc that it allowed to directly builf themes for WP https://pinegrow.com/wordpress-theme-builder.html and http://docs.pinegrow.com/v4/bootstrap-blocks/bootstrap-blocks-for-wordpress/  

                                                  I'm curious

                                                  • 23. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                                    Teodor K Level 4

                                                    Hello designers, coders, developers

                                                     

                                                    I am so excited to see people are discussing something which they have never seen, but thanks for the 'feedback' anyway.

                                                     

                                                    Just a note from DMXzone/Wappler team: Wappler is everything but not far behind, a joke or out of date

                                                    Postponing public beta (in fact only once) was just a decision we made, as we actually want to collect more feedback from the selected beta testers, instead of collecting feedback from people never really touched DW and this decision has nothing to do with going behind schedule, so your suggestions are not even close to the reality

                                                    Even more - one thing which got us extremely excited and happy were the 500+ people which we talked to, demonstrated to and which had hands on experience with Wappler on our stand at this year's Web Summit conference. We received valuable feedback from them, and their reactions to the product also solidly confirmed we are going into the right direction. So, we may not be posting a lot about Wappler, but that is because we are busy working on it.

                                                     

                                                    Regards,

                                                    Teodor Kuduschiev

                                                    DMXzone.com

                                                    • 24. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                                      osgood_ Level 8

                                                      https://forums.adobe.com/people/Teodor+K  wrote

                                                       

                                                      Hello designers, coders, developers

                                                       

                                                      I am so excited to see people are discussing something which they have never seen, but thanks for the 'feedback' anyway.

                                                       

                                                      Just a note from DMXzone/Wappler team: Wappler is everything but not far behind, a joke or out of date

                                                      Postponing public beta (in fact only once) was just a decision we made, as we actually want to collect more feedback from the selected beta testers, instead of collecting feedback from people never really touched DW and this decision has nothing to do with going behind schedule, so your suggestions are not even close to the reality

                                                      Even more - one thing which got us extremely excited and happy were the 500+ people which we talked to, demonstrated to and which had hands on experience with Wappler on our stand at this year's Web Summit conference. We received valuable feedback from them, and their reactions to the product also solidly confirmed we are going into the right direction. So, we may not be posting a lot about Wappler, but that is because we are busy working on it.

                                                       

                                                      Regards,

                                                      Teodor Kuduschiev

                                                      DMXzone.com

                                                       

                                                      So why didn't you just shut up until you had collected the information from the first closed beta period? Obviously whoever announced a public beta would follow shortly after a 10 day closed one was misinformed or just didnt realise the product was no where near ready.

                                                       

                                                      Anyway it's not going to be released this year, unless your marketing team is crazy as well,  so happy Christmas.

                                                       

                                                      All I'll add is it better be a lot better than something like Bootstrap Studio, which it sound like, with some additional limited dynamic capabilities. Only time will tell but it might wel be just another application in a graveyard of applications aimed at non-coders.

                                                      • 25. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                                        Teodor K Level 4

                                                        Well, simple - we didn't shut up, because our plans have changed in the meantime

                                                        I just love how everything is being judged in this forum by 4 people providing their valuable feedback for products they have no idea about

                                                        • 26. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                                          osgood_ Level 8

                                                          https://forums.adobe.com/people/Teodor+K  wrote

                                                           

                                                          Well, simple - we didn't shut up, because our plans have changed in the meantime

                                                           

                                                          Exactly, so keep quiet until you know more, would be some simple advice.

                                                           

                                                          https://forums.adobe.com/people/Teodor+K  wrote

                                                           

                                                          I just love how everything is being judged in this forum by 4 people providing their valuable feedback for products they have no idea about

                                                           

                                                          I think its being judged on what is being divulged on your blog and the snippets of information being output by your beta testers. Unfortunately having tried pretty much every single web application for 'web-developers' out there, for the Mac at least, I'm convinced this will just be another in a long line of applications. I hope I'm proved wrong and will have to eat my words but being so Bootstrap centric I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do that....

                                                          • 27. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                                            B i r n o u Adobe Community Professional

                                                            I hope that Teodor's post, as interesting and legitimate as it may be, will not come once again to obscure my last question posted in two different threads ...

                                                             

                                                            so I ask it again, just in case

                                                             

                                                            as the thread only focus on Wappler... please did anyone has tested Pinegrow, ?

                                                             

                                                            I just saw in the doc that it allowed to directly build themes for WP https://pinegrow.com/wordpress-theme-builder.html and http://docs.pinegrow.com/v4/bootstrap-blocks/bootstrap-blocks-for-wordpress/  

                                                            I'm curious

                                                            • 28. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                                              pziecina Level 7

                                                              https://forums.adobe.com/people/Teodor+K  wrote

                                                               

                                                              I just love how everything is being judged in this forum by 4 people providing their valuable feedback for products they have no idea about

                                                              Sorry Teodor, but I cannot see where anyone is providing any feedback regarding your product, asking questions about it, maybe, feedback, none.

                                                               

                                                              So far the only feedback i have read has been positive, and often cautious.

                                                               

                                                              The reason i think people are being cautious about it, is because we have all seen products announced in the past that aim to do what you are trying to achive. All those products, so far have never lived up to the advertised hype, and most have been quietly abandoned after a time.

                                                              • 29. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                                                pziecina Level 7

                                                                You would probably get better feedback on Pinegrow, in a wordpress forum Birnou.

                                                                • 30. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                                                  osgood_ Level 8

                                                                  pziecina  wrote

                                                                   

                                                                   

                                                                  So far the only feedback i have read has been positive, and often cautious.

                                                                   

                                                                   

                                                                   

                                                                  The public beta will be the decisive factor. Not a few 'in-the-pocket' users. Although these can be initially helpful, they are not always 'honest 'about a product/company which they might be too 'close' too.

                                                                  • 31. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                                                    B i r n o u Adobe Community Professional

                                                                    Thanks Paula, but Pinegrow doesn't seams to be only WP based... it can also be compared to Wappler ... don't you think ?

                                                                    Pinegrow Web Editor | Website Builder for Professionals

                                                                    • 32. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                                                      pziecina Level 7

                                                                      https://forums.adobe.com/people/B+i+r+n+o+u  wrote

                                                                       

                                                                      Thanks Paula, but Pinegrow doesn't seams to be only WP based... it can also be compared to Wappler ... don't you think ?

                                                                      Pinegrow Web Editor | Website Builder for Professionals

                                                                      I don't know if one can compare it to Wappler, as Wappler is also going to include the ability for creating server side code, (so the blog says).

                                                                       

                                                                      As i have said previously, I am very cautious about any product that says it is for 'visual' site creation, as over the years we have all seen such products announced, but never live up to the 'hype' assosiated with them. I personally think that 'visual' site creation will become the normal for smaller sites at some point, but I don't know when that will actually happen.

                                                                      • 33. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                                                        B i r n o u Adobe Community Professional

                                                                        yes... as I said, I'm also curious about it...

                                                                        For information pinegrow can also use and edit PHP... at least not in the way wappler will probably do, but it does it... or it inform that it can handle it

                                                                        Editing PHP, ASP and ERB templates - Pinegrow Web Editor - Documentation and Tutorials

                                                                        • 34. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                                                          pziecina Level 7

                                                                          I'm always very cautious about any program that says, 'asp support' as it is often classic asp they are talking about, and not asp.net.

                                                                           

                                                                          classic asp only has 0.5% usage now, (and falling every year). Microsoft has also said it will only be supported in the 'fully blown server' of its new program, and not supported in the 'cut down' version, which is the one intended for web hosting resellers. Which effectively means that outside of companies using their own server to provide internet access, classic asp is dead.

                                                                           

                                                                          Many users will disagree with the above statement, but too me they are simply in denial, or trying to hang on to developing with something that is outdated.

                                                                          • 35. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                                                            Nancy OShea Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                            I think this says what Pinegrow is and is not.  

                                                                             

                                                                            PHP, ASP and ERB (Ruby on Rails) editing mode is designed for editing HTML code with server-side tags, not for general code editing.

                                                                            • 36. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                                                              rayek.elfin Level 4

                                                                              pziecina  wrote

                                                                               

                                                                              https://forums.adobe.com/people/B+i+r+n+o+u   wrote

                                                                               

                                                                              Thanks Paula, but Pinegrow doesn't seams to be only WP based... it can also be compared to Wappler ... don't you think ?

                                                                              Pinegrow Web Editor | Website Builder for Professionals

                                                                              I don't know if one can compare it to Wappler, as Wappler is also going to include the ability for creating server side code, (so the blog says).

                                                                               

                                                                              As i have said previously, I am very cautious about any product that says it is for 'visual' site creation, as over the years we have all seen such products announced, but never live up to the 'hype' assosiated with them. I personally think that 'visual' site creation will become the normal for smaller sites at some point, but I don't know when that will actually happen.

                                                                              I worked with and tried pretty much all the visual editors in my life time as a front-end coder since the nineties, and I can state without a doubt that Pinegrow is the ONLY product so far that I have purchased and integrated in my workflow. It doesn't attempt to be a visual editor like Muse (yuk!) catering to beginners or designers who do not want to learn or cannot learn to code, but is aimed at front-end developers with good code sense to speed up development.

                                                                               

                                                                              The only thing I can compare Pinegrow with is with a visual IDE GUI builder - such as Visual Studio has, or Netbeans: it's not meant for designers, but for coders who want to speed up visual component design and coding. Pinegrow integrates a bit like that in your existing workflow. With Atom it's a strong combo, since any edit you make in either app (Atom or Pinegrow) is instantly reflected in both (without saving!). But it works fine with other code editors as well.

                                                                               

                                                                              It's also great for quick prototyping, and the latest version 4 (just released) supports plain html, Bootstrap 3 and 4, Foundation 5 and 6, Materialize, AngularJS, Bootstrap blocks for WP, and WP out of the box. Flex is integrated, and SASS and LESS can be edited live without the need for external tools.

                                                                               

                                                                              Master pages, custom reusable components with editable areas are quite handy for quick static sites (like DW). It is also quick to do copy editing in the visual view, rather than in code.

                                                                               

                                                                              But to me it is really the testing and prototyping where it really delivers. So easy to test stuff, and have multiple breakpoints open side by side, and target styles for a particular breakpoint. For prototyping it literally takes minutes to test concepts, and MOST IMPORTANTLY the code Pinegrow writes is actually USABLE and standard. It's like having a super-charged Inspect Element view on your side. It even offers an option to open any web page url for quick inspection and editing.

                                                                               

                                                                              The visual editor is handy to quickly try out visual concepts and designs - much faster than doing it by hand in code (in this regard it is similar to DW, but support for modern CSS properties is already built-in). If you are working as a WP theme developer, the WP components make quick work of converting a static html design to a functional WP theme. Again, Pinegrow isn't a WP visual builder that requires no knowledge of theme development; instead, it assists the WP theme developer in their task, rather than restricting them.

                                                                               

                                                                              In short, Pinegrow avoids patronizing the front-end developer, like most other visual editing tools.

                                                                               

                                                                              I've been working with PineGrow since the first version: that version didn't quite make the cut for me, but by version 2 I began to use it more and more - and now it's a very useful addition in my toolbox. It's brilliant for prototyping and testing. I really don't understand why anyone familiar with html and css would EVER prefer to use a visual tool like Photoshop/illustrator or even Sketch for web page prototyping/mockups when Pinegrow is available.

                                                                               

                                                                              The nice thing about Pinegrow is that it is quickly integrated in your pipeline, and just makes life easier for the front-end coder. In my opinion Pinegrow is what Dreamweaver would have been in a parallel universe.

                                                                               

                                                                              My two cents. If you consider yourself a professional front-end developer and UX designer, you owe it to yourself to (at the very least) download the trial and give it a good whirl.

                                                                              • 37. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                                                                pziecina Level 7

                                                                                It is interesting that you mention VS pro, and its companion program VS Blend for building UI's, (graphically).

                                                                                 

                                                                                This brings us back to the question of Dw having two seperate requirerments, one for coding and one for creating the UI, (not a seperate program for designers). As you probably know Blend can be used for the creation of UI's using both flexbox and grid layouts, plus it also has an easy to use css animation creation feature, but it does require the user to know how to code.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Maybe such an approach is what Adobe is missing, as everything it currently offers is certainly not aimed at the coder, or comes anywhere near meeting developers requirements. All are i think developed in such a fashion that they are adaptations of how pages where constructed 15 years ago, and what they think designers will understand.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Adobe has an aversion to the use of anything that it considers beyond the abilities of designers with only a basic understanding of coding. Examples of such are flexbox and css animations, as they would prefer to ignore such features, probably because even many of the people advising them cannot get past the theory of there use. css grid layouts will probably join that list, for exactly the same reasons.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Note - You can probably also add srcset/picture/image-set to the list, as Adobe does not agree with the use of them.

                                                                                • 38. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                                                                  B i r n o u Adobe Community Professional

                                                                                  Thanks so much Rayek, that is a real feedback. complete and precise... revealing the pros and cons of it... and what to expect for such a tool.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  That is what I was feeling about pinegrow in the first read, but without any testing or feedback from someone that used it...  it is complicate to really percieve the bottom line of such a tool.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  thanks you did it... so... I think that first I'm going to test the trial version, and second I probably, will run for it and it to the studio's tool set. thanks

                                                                                  • 39. Re: Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?
                                                                                    W_J_T Level 4

                                                                                    @rayek.elfin , really nice summary regarding Pinegrow.

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