18 Replies Latest reply: Sep 14, 2014 1:33 PM by mlitty RSS

    Rename files in Prelude?

    PatrickInBA Community Member

      I don't see a way to rename video files in Prelude.  Coming from a still photo background I have always renamed files to a sensible name at the point of import.  If this can't be done in Prelude is there a suggestion on how to do this before prelude?  Kind of a prelude to using prelude?!?  For now I will continue to import and rename both still and vid files in Lightroom but would like to see this in Prelude.

       

      Thanks.

        • 1. Re: Rename files in Prelude?
          Colin Brougham Community Member

          Prelude doesn't rename files--typically for good reason. With most tapeless formats, the file names must be "as they are" in order for the structure to maintain its integrity. Other formats, like DSLRs that record to MOVs are more flexible. You could use Bridge or Lightroom or even the OS file browser to do this, but it would be done before ingest into Prelude.

           

          But anyway, make a feature request if it's something you'd like to see added: Adobe Feature Request/Bug Report Form

          • 2. Re: Rename files in Prelude?
            PatrickInBA Community Member

            Thanks Colin.  Prelude isn't listed yet in the feature request page!  I'll put it on there asap.  Since I shoot a lot of both stills & vid I'll stick with my current flow of import to LR first and rename.  Unfortunately LR doesn't save any meta other than the file name to video or create .xmp's.  It is still a juggle between software as in meta works with stills in LR but not video, LR wants the files referenced in a specific spot or moved from within LR, how will this affect where files are for Prelude and hence Premiere, etc...

             

            Slowly working to a perfect workflow.....

            • 3. Re: Rename files in Prelude?
              Colin Brougham Community Member

              Prelude isn't listed yet in the feature request page!

               

              Oh. Ha. Whoops

               

              Slowly working to a perfect workflow.....

               

              Man, when you figure it out, please let me know! Been trying to get there for awhile now

              • 4. Re: Rename files in Prelude?
                Wes Plate Employee Hosts

                Until Prelude is listed please choose Production Premium from the product list.

                 

                Thanks!

                • 5. Re: Rename files in Prelude?
                  needles27 Community Member

                  I just watched a lynda tutorial with Rich Harrington about Prelude, and he showed how to rename the file...all he did was click on the file name until it highlighted, and renamed it.  He showed with a "reveal in finder" that the original file was not renamed.  Then he sent that clip over to Pr and it had the new filename.  I haven't played with Prelude yet, but he made it look like it was no trouble. 

                  • 6. Re: Rename files in Prelude?
                    Colin Brougham Community Member

                    That's renaming a clip. The OP is referencing renaming a file.

                    • 7. Re: Rename files in Prelude?
                      needles27 Community Member

                      Oops.  They should add a button on the forums "Was this not helpful?"

                      • 8. Re: Rename files in Prelude?
                        PatrickInBA Community Member

                        Man, when you figure it out, please let me know! Been trying to get there for awhile now

                         

                         

                        Once I have it figured out I'd tell you......but then I'd have to kill you.

                         

                        It sure seems that elusive!

                        • 9. Re: Rename files in Prelude?
                          mikep.mtp Community Member

                          If you use the transcode option it will open media encoder where you can rename the files in the queue. Although you have to do each one at the same time. and have to wait for files to transcode. Or after transcode just use bridge to batch rename.

                           

                          Not the best solution but it is a work around till Adobe can get something to rename in Prelude without breaking the original video's file structure.

                          • 10. Re: Rename files in Prelude?
                            michaelgoshey Adobe Employee

                            Hi,

                             

                            Thanks for your post. We have added the ability to rename on ingest into our Product Backlog for

                            Consideration.

                             

                            Question for you: when using media with a complex structure (XDCAM, P2, etc) would you expect to actually rename the files on disk or the ability to apply an alias name that is stored in metadata such that the alias appears in all Adobe apps through the production workflow?

                             

                            Thanks,

                            Michael

                             

                             

                            Sent from my iPhone

                            • 11. Re: Rename files in Prelude?
                              mikep.mtp Community Member

                              Hi Mike

                              Thanks for your response.

                              Actually this is my first time working with the file based system. XDCAM. Usually the guys give me a single video file for footage and use it just it straight up.

                              But since I was given an XDCAM I did a search and came across this post. So being my first time not sure how helpful I can be but let me give you my current workflow so maybe this can help answer your question above.

                               

                              I don't work with producers or directors I work with the end user or "viewer" as the case may be. So they are not technical and I can not tell them to get a copy of prelude and mark it up for me.

                               

                              What I do is take the raw footage and transcode to a web friendly size ( at this point quality is not the issue but cut points are) and load them up to my site for the client to review and give me notes according to timecode.

                               

                              Now when I load 20 of these up there and need to link them to my pages I like the files to be something I can understand. So I don't have to write down some sort of reference sheet so I can put the correct video on the correctly worded page.

                               

                              Of course I can easily batch transcode in media encoder but it is nice to be able to view the files as a group in prelude. (and would be nice to) rename each one while I am looking at it and know what clip it is. then transcode all in one step renanming the originals as an alias if you like in the project panel but would like my transcoded files to be renamed also for the upload.

                               

                              Not sure how it all works across the other programs yet, but I would like that if I can once on the initial ingest rename files to something I can easily understand what they are and be able to use that across the holy trinity Prelude, Premiere and After Effects. That would be most helpful

                              • 12. Re: Rename files in Prelude?
                                Al Bergstein Community Member

                                Just a side issue, i rename Canon mxf files as I export them to disk from card, so by the time Prelude sees them they already renamed. One of the beauties in the mxf workflow. Don't see why it wouldn't work with AVCHD for example. There i simply strip the mts files and rename them.

                                • 13. Re: Rename files in Prelude?
                                  michaelgoshey Adobe Employee

                                  Hi –

                                   

                                  For AVCHD, Prelude requires the support files in the folder structure to properly understand the metadata (and allow you to create metadata/logs/markers). If you manually strip out the *.MTS files (the naked essence video) Prelude will not be able to create metadata for it in CS6.

                                   

                                  Cheers –

                                  Michael

                                  • 14. Re: Rename files in Prelude?
                                    michaelgoshey Adobe Employee

                                    Great input – thank you! This makes perfect sense. I’ll add this workflow scenario to our product backlog for consideration.

                                     

                                    Regards,

                                    Michael

                                    • 15. Re: Rename files in Prelude?
                                      Al Bergstein Community Member

                                      To be clear, I believe that the way I do it with MXF files, does strip out metadata added on the camera as shot (i.e. markers). I don't use added metadata from the camera in my workflow, but if you were doing so, I'd at least be also backing up the cards as shot. I'm just happy I don't have to (G).

                                      • 16. Re: Rename files in Prelude?
                                        ISDV Community Member

                                         

                                        Question for you: when using media with a complex structure (XDCAM, P2, etc) would you expect to actually rename the files on disk or the ability to apply an alias name that is stored in metadata such that the alias appears in all Adobe apps through the production workflow?

                                         

                                        Hi Michael,

                                         

                                        I'm using a Sony XDCAM HD Professional Disc camera, and I would like to see the User-Defined Clip Titles I am giving to my discs throughout the whole production workflow.

                                         

                                        Thank you very much in advanced!

                                         

                                        Greetings,

                                         

                                        Ivan

                                        • 17. Re: Rename files in Prelude?
                                          KGCW Community Member

                                          Agreed, currently Prelude / AME seems not to import a lot of metadatas.

                                          • 18. Re: Rename files in Prelude?
                                            mlitty Community Member

                                            I would like to use Prelude at the point of my workflow where I'm initially pulling the files off of the media, for example, to move files off of the SD card to my hard drive.

                                             

                                            At this point in the process, I would like to be able to rename the files on the file system so that they reflect the content.  Renaming the clip in Prelude and leaving the filename as 00001.MTS doesn't help when I'm looking at the files on the hard drive to import.  It doesn't aid my workflow at present.

                                             

                                            I understand that Prelude does not do this by default to prevent breaking links to those files created in other projects and programs that may have already accessed them.  At the point in my workflow where I would use Prelude, this would not be an issue.

                                             

                                            **What I would like to see is a context menu (right-click) that allows the user to select multiple files, right-click, and choose "Make Filename match Clip Name" or something like that.  This option would take all of the names given in Prelude and change the files on the drive to match.

                                             

                                            Doing it this way would not interfere with the default function in Prelude but would add the ability to manipulate the file when convenient to the user. 

                                             

                                            Thanks!