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      • 40. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
        StudioOpheim Level 1

        I agree. We need to remove the limit. I also work in the sign/car-vinyl business. To make vinyl, we always need the file in 1:1. To ease the process, I make the files ready for production. I know that I can make files in a specific height to match the width of the vinyl. Often I can not make the files 1:1 because you know why.. Them my guys in the production department get one more step of work. Why? In 2016 there is no need...

         

        Often I also get files from users who have, say, Corel Draw. If it´s made in 1:1 - I can´t open the file. There are always workarounds, but why should we need to work around something at all?

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        • 41. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
          Bright White

          I would like to add my support to the original posts request. One thing that seems to be missing in this thread (unless I have simply missed it) is the requirement to constantly do mental calculations whilst designing for large format prints. Being able to specify stroke and type in millimetres is great when working at 1:1. As soon as one is required to work to a scale these values become redundant and you must constantly make small calculations in order to size things accordingly. Rather than everyone jumping on their horse to explain the various workarounds, I ask the question, why should we have to use workarounds to something as simple as being able to design at 1:1. We all understand how we can in fact use scale to give us the desired result but why in the modern computing world is it necessary. Shaving off a little time here and there making conversions can result in greater productivity for us all.

          • 42. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
            janaleks

            Working with  print and cut programs where I have to place optical pass markers for cutting vinyl in a roland machine for printing 50 mts vynil and many cut details in scale is rather cumbersome. There is a big margin for error to happen, and even when working 1:10 expanding to 1000% makes minimal errors in size greater when scaled. Although those minimal fails are not visible in practice makes the machine unable to be accurate enough to read those passamarks. In the other hand CorelDraw as many other vector base programs has the possibility to work in real size. So what I am saying is that the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's  227 inch limits would add to my working process to go much faster and more accurate.   Yes I could use CorelDraw but I pay the license for Illustrator why would I need to use 2 similar software and pay 2 licences where I could do the same in one?

            • 43. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
              jessiem27901628 Level 1

              At least 3 question posts about the canvas size guided me here. I just started using AI and was previously using PS, but sadly it seemed that Adobe is not paying enough attention to both of them.

               

              +1 for this post. We need canvases that HAVE NO SIZE LIMIT. Having size limits in a vector design software is ridiculous.

               

              p.s. I know for sure this will just be ignored even in the coming version.

              • 44. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                jessiem27901628 Level 1

                Yes! Accuracy! That's the point!

                Why there always have to be extra steps and processes when designers want to check and ensure that their works are exactly what they want?

                • 45. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                  Tomy-rex Level 2

                  This post has been open for 4 years and people were requesting that this feature to be added into CS6!!!!  Has anyone got an idea of how we can actually make Adobe listen - enough people have posted here to give them a hint, but nope they seem to have more important things to do...

                   

                  Maybe we could ask every Illy user somehow to do a mass boycott for a week...   though not sure if it would make the point or not.  Otherwise, I may just cancel my Illy license and get going with Coreldraw - seems to be the best way forward.

                   

                  Maybe we could ask Shantanu Narayen   

                  • 47. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                    BobbyH5280 Level 3

                    The issue of the 227" size limit has been discussed across numerous threads in this forum and other design forums over the years. I wish I could remember (or find) the technical explanation of why that limit is in place.

                     

                    No mainstream vector drawing program or page layout program has an unlimited canvas size or unlimited zoom either. I think there are mathematical trade-offs with building in a larger maximum size canvas.

                     

                    Corel DRAW has a 1800" X 1800" canvas size limit. Even with a page sized at 1200" X 1200" when you zoom out to see your entire design you'll get hit constantly with the message box: "this zoom has exceeded the boundaries of the drawing space; your window will be adjusted accordingly." There may be a math penalty involved Corel DRAW's much larger maximum canvas size and maximum zoom of 264439%. Corel DRAW can edit object dimensions only to three decimal places while Illustrator can edit to four decimal places. Corel DRAW only allows whole percentage numbers on CMYK or RGB fill formulas while Illustrator allows editing up to two decimal places on fill formula percentages. Corel DRAW's gradient fills have a maximum of 999 steps, but default to just 256. The gradients in Illustrator are far less prone to banding.

                     

                    I'm glad Adobe recently improved Illustrator's maximum zoom level. The 6400% limit was pretty bad. At least 64000% allows for more precise editing.

                     

                    Some sign making programs, like Flexi, allow for much larger page sizes. But I've seen object editing and placement accuracy take a hit at giant scales. And application performance can get unpredictable. I used to crash CASmate when trying to do weld & cut operations on some really huge objects. Sometimes I'd see a warning box pop up, saying "floating point: square root of negative integer," then the program window would disappear right along with my work.

                     

                    I've been using both Illustrator and Corel DRAW for things like sign & billboard design for more than 20 years. Both have their own unique strengths, weaknesses and annoying limitations. So far there hasn't been enough overlap where one matched the rival's strengths enough for me to go with either one exclusively. One thing I don't like about that situation is it confines me to only using Windows.

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                    • 48. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                      Snosrap Level 1

                      One reason to work at size is that illustrator has its own version of what an inch is as opposed to say my plotter software. I'm currently working on a 335" long logo and the registration has to be spot on. The larger I can make the file, with the less manipulation by another program, the more accurate I can be. If we can change our artboard size, it sure would be cool if we could change the drawing board size as well. Then it would be on the user to slow his machine down.

                      • 49. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                        Mirkwoood

                        This is absolutely ridiculous, I can't believe how long people have been complaining about this, yet absolutely no action taken on Adobe's part. I know I'm not adding anything to the discussion here. I'm becoming increasingly frustrated with Adobe's inability to fix issues that are in some cases OVER A DECADE OLD. If I was able to switch to another piece of software I would, in a second.

                        • 50. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                          BobbyH5280 Level 3

                          In my opinion, Adobe has a bunch of other more important issues to fix regarding Illustrator rather than completely revamping how its art boards work (and possibly creating a bunch of other problems in Illustrator and other CC apps in the process) just to achieve a larger max art board size.

                           

                          If a project I'm working on is too big for Illustrator's size limits I work in scale, such as 1" = 1', 10% of actual size, 25% of actual size, etc. Most the time service bureaus, such as ones that do grand format billboard printing, are going to want artwork submitted in some scale, with 1" = 1' being the one most often requested. They can blow the artwork up to full size in their RIP software/hardware they're using. A 227" X 227" limit may seem ridiculous, but that's a big enough work space for most people and the scale workarounds I described are not difficult to manage. I can remember when Illustrator had a much smaller max art board size.

                           

                          If Adobe did get around to messing with Illustrator's math foundations, a bigger max art board size might be one thing to put on the check list of things to fix. There's several others as well -issues that didn't affect Illustrator's dead rival, Macromedia Freehand.

                          • 51. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                            rossul Level 1

                            "No mainstream vector drawing program or page layout program has an unlimited canvas size or unlimited zoom either. I think there are mathematical trade-offs with building in a larger maximum size canvas." This is not an accurate statement. I also wouldn't call Corel Draw a professional mainstream application.

                            If we all designed billboards with simple grid systems of 1"=1' then yes it wouldn't be a big issue. But we use different grid systems and different units. Pixel based grids are very hard to manage if you need to recalculate them al the time and then export assets in 1=1 scale.

                            Also, the canvas size limitation makes it notoriously difficult to manage multiple pages, especially if they are long and need to be rearranged / realigned. Multiply it by ill-thought canvas based grids and you get a real issue on your hands.

                             

                             

                             

                             

                            • 52. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                              BobbyH5280 Level 3

                              "That's not an accurate statement."


                              Please explain why my statement about Illustrator's math limits is not accurate. My observations are based on using a lot of different vector-based drawing applications.

                               

                              "I wouldn't call CorelDRAW a professional mainstream application."

                              This is another blanket statement that demands specifics to support it. Usually I hear this statement coming from Mac users who have never actually touched a copy of CorelDRAW before but use their Mac-bias to dismiss CorelDRAW anyway due to its PC roots.

                               

                              I've been using both Adobe Illustrator and CorelDRAW for over 20 years. There are some things Illustrator does indeed do better than CorelDRAW. There are plenty of things CorelDRAW does better than Illustrator. That includes a lot of very basic things, such as positioning and controlled alignment of objects, type and anchor points. Those things make CorelDRAW a breeze to use for tasks like technical drawings or artwork that needs a precise, technical look to it. Illustrator just kills you with all the extra, wasteful clicks and jumping around through different menus and palettes just to do simple things. Freehand even beat down Illustrator in this regard. Even with hundreds of dollars worth of plug-ins added (like Hot Door CAD tools) Illustrator is still cumbersome to use.

                               

                              "If we all designed billboards with simple grid systems of 1"=1' then yes it wouldn't be a big issue. But we use different grid systems and different units. Pixel based grids are very hard to manage if you need to recalculate them al the time and then export assets in 1=1 scale."

                               

                              First, designing for outdoor is a very different animal than designing for a printed page a reader holds in front of him or reads from some kind of electronic screen. Keeping the elements organized on a grid, as opposed to eye-balling the placement of objects, is good. But the designer has to be thinking about elements like lettering in terms of actual character size and the legibility of the message to a driver in speeding vehicle rather. Thinking about type in point size and distance from one baseline to the next doesn't work in sign and billboard design. I see lots of bad billboard and sign design on the landscape. The designer makes choices that seem to look good on a computer screen or printed proof, but fails to be legible when actually installed in the real world landscape. It's especially frustrating when the designer knows better, but has a client overriding his advice and forcing the design to be ineffective. I've been through that situation many times.

                               

                              Second, it's not difficult to choose a pixel grid that divides easily in scale. If I'm including rasterized art from Photoshop in a billboard layout 300ppi artwork on a 1" = 1' scale layout is perfectly acceptable. At full size the raster imagery is 25ppi, which is more than enough for passing vehicles.

                               

                              "Also, the canvas size limitation makes it notoriously difficult to manage multiple pages, especially if they are long and need to be rearranged / realigned. Multiply it by ill-thought canvas based grids and you get a real issue on your hands."

                               

                              If I'm going to design a multi-page document, especially one with lots of pages I'm absolutely not going to use Illustrator for that purpose. InDesign is far more appropriate.

                              • 53. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                Warren Heaton Adobe Community Professional

                                If everyone in this thread fills out a feature request, there's a good chance it will show up on the radar of the AI team.

                                 

                                Feature Request/Bug Report Form

                                 

                                I just did it and here's what I wrote:

                                 

                                Brief title for your desired feature: How would you like the feature to work? Why is this feature important to you?

                                 

                                Please allow the scratch area / document size to be larger than the current maximum of 227.54 inches even if it means introducing a new AI file format this is not backwards compatible with prior versions of AI.  This feature is important to me as I would like to be able to work at 1:1 scale as often as possible.

                                 

                                It could be something along the lines of what Photoshop did with the original PSD file format and the newer PSB ("Large Document Format") file.

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                If everyone in this thread submits more or less the same thing (and get two to three friends each) to do so, this might make it's way up the feature request list.

                                 

                                 

                                -Warren

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                AI Feature Request for Larger Scratch Area - Document Size.png

                                • 54. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                  Tomy-rex Level 2

                                  BobbyH5280 wrote:

                                  I can remember when Illustrator had a much smaller max art board size.

                                   

                                  BobbyH5280 This sound interesting, can you say any more about this?

                                   

                                  From what you've said it sounds like a long time ago the canvas was smaller than it is now - how much smaller and when was this?  And why did they increase it back then? 

                                   

                                  Tech is always increasing, getting bigger, better, faster etc.   If Adobe don't scale and improve all the features of all their products, that's when they start to become outdated...  And from my perspective the 227" limits are waaay out of date.  Our designs are bigger and better and more complex then they were 5 years ago, and we need software to suit - and don't give me stuff about computers not being able to handle it!  If anyone's doing serious design then they'll usually have a computer that can handle a decent processing workload

                                  • 55. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                    Tomy-rex Level 2

                                    Warren Heaton wrote:

                                     

                                    If everyone in this thread fills out a feature request, there's a good chance it will show up on the radar of the AI team.

                                    I think I've filled out about 2 for this so far!  I'm going to try on the development Beta forums and see if I can find anything else out about these limits.

                                    • 56. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                      Warren Heaton Adobe Community Professional

                                      While there's room for improvement, Illustrator's still the vector illustration application to beat for numerous reasons.

                                       

                                      For one, you can do math in the text fields and mix units of measurement.

                                      • 57. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                        BobbyH5280 Level 3

                                        From what you've said it sounds like a long time ago the canvas was smaller than it is now - how much smaller and when was this?  And why did they increase it back then?

                                         

                                        Illustrator previously had a 120" X 120" maximum art board size. If I recall correctly it changed to the current 227" X 227" limit in the year 2000 with the release of Illustrator 9, the first AI version featuring native PDF support. Adobe had released the first version of InDesign late in 1999 and it was completely built upon PDF technology. It too had a 227" X 227" maximum art board size. I still remember how some Quark users laughed at it, dismissing it as another version of PageMaker just with a different name.

                                         

                                        Tech is always increasing, getting bigger, better, faster etc.   If Adobe don't scale and improve all the features of all their products, that's when they start to become outdated...  And from my perspective the 227" limits are waaay out of date.  Our designs are bigger and better and more complex then they were 5 years ago, and we need software to suit - and don't give me stuff about computers not being able to handle it!  If anyone's doing serious design then they'll usually have a computer that can handle a decent processing workload


                                        I still see the 227" X 227" limit as something which affects only a niche group of users, such as myself. There's plenty of other basic things Adobe could do to improve Illustrator that would benefit all designers. Being able to numerically size, position and align text according to capital letter height would be a huge improvement, not just for sign design tasks, but also pixel-based design tasks too. That's just one example. BTW, I've requested that feature numerous times over the years to no avail. Sign making applications are able to do it, but nothing else apparently.

                                         

                                        A different "big" Illustrator format, similar to Photoshop's .PSB file format, might be a worthy solution. But such a solution is only as good as its ability to transport artwork outside of Illustrator and into other graphics industry applications not made by Adobe.

                                         

                                        There's already plenty of headaches involved porting artwork between CorelDRAW and Adobe Illustrator due to certain effects and functions that are entirely dependent on their host applications, as well as various "lost in translation" glitches that occur in the export/import process -which is one of the big reasons why I use both those rivals applications. I'm using two different RIP applications for two different large format printers, VersaWorks for an older VersaCamm printer and Onyx 12 for a newer HP Latex 360 printer. It's critical for artwork generated in Illustrator to work correctly in those RIP applications. Add Flexi Sign 12 into the mix for a lot of general purpose sign making tasks and some custom computer routing table software. No one single software vendor has all the bases covered fully in my line of work.

                                         

                                        Edit: regarding computers not being able to handle work load, etc., it doesn't take an especially powerful modern computer to run mainstream graphics applications like Illustrator well. I wouldn't recommend a cheap, entry level PC, but Illustrator does not demand a top of the line machine either. Most modern desktop computers and notebooks have to do all sorts of demanding things just for entertainment, like running HD quality video smoothly. A little over a decade ago it required a pretty stout machine to play 1080p content without dropping frames; today it's no big deal. There are things you can do in Illustrator that will really tax any computer system, but it's not something you're going to do by accident. These days I would put a greater premium on high quality monitors and good color management hardware/software.

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                                        • 58. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                          mangus76

                                          Also want to call out that the whole "work at 1/10 scale and just move the decimal place" is BS, and here's why. Illustrator CC rounds the size of artboard measurements to two decimal places. I have a window pane that is 7.75 inches wide (doing vinyl sign design). Trying to make an artboard at scale – .775 inches wide – the field forces the measurements to .78. That is wrong. I'm creating graphics that span dozens of windows of varying sizes from the aforementioned small-width to 56" wide, all in long rows. This level of accuracy is only going to cause pain once vinyl is cut and installation is happening.

                                           

                                          The memory issue is a frustrating answer. We know other apps deal in larger sizes. No one asked for "infinite" space. And dynamically adjusting the memory issues based on overall canvas size doesn't seem crazy.

                                          • 59. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                            Tomy-rex Level 2

                                            the 12th of May 2017 will mark 5 years since this post was opened 5 years and Adobe have done nothing about is so far!....  I expect in 2020 we'll be looking at this post and thinking how stupid we were to even waste our time hoping Adobe would listen to it's customers!...

                                             

                                            Happy New Year everyone!.....

                                            • 60. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                              ERIK

                                              I have been in the advertising industry for a long time, I made this question back in 2005, and I found a solution !! FlexiSign for Vector,  Photoshop for Pixel.  Adobe illustrator doesn't work for me, and I am not going to waste my time in a scale, more stress for prepress to deal with Versawork rip, just to get the final print with the real size !  No way!!! Illustrator is an amazing app but with this issue it is....crap!

                                              • 61. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                                mangus76 Level 1

                                                Also, while it won't solve my sign-design needs, SKETCH HAS AN INFINITE CANVAS. There. It's possible so let's stop making excuses. Literally the only reason I haven't ditched Illustrator is that I'm tied to InDesign, with no long-document/typesetting competition. If I could ditch my Adobe CC subscription, I would.

                                                • 62. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                                  PPutman

                                                  I design Architectural Signage and Wayfinding Systems using Illustrator and I often design vector beyond 227 inches wide. Some of the signage that I design is over 300 inches, and I have designed lengths of channel letters that were 150 feet long down the side of a convention center in Tulsa Oklahoma. I design FULL SIZE 1:1 then scale accordingly using architectural scaling, to fit on a tabloid size title bar. This feature would be EXTREMELY useful to myself and my colleagues at the office. 

                                                  • 63. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                                    Clear Mapping Co

                                                    In Photoshop, I haven't found a limit in Illustrator there is *sigh*.

                                                    • 64. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                                      andrewb14542945 Level 1

                                                      I needed something to mange a project that was 753 inches wide. I had to reduce the whole project to 1/4 the size - such a pain in the ***!

                                                       

                                                      I've yet to hear a good reason why there is any limitation at all.

                                                      • 65. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                                        rama@adobe Adobe Employee

                                                        We are gathering inputs on large canvas on Illustrator, please add your workflows that will benefit from large canvas to the following post

                                                        Workflows that need large canvas / artboard

                                                         

                                                        -Rama

                                                        Illustrator team

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                                                        • 66. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                                          YogeshSharma Adobe Employee

                                                          Hello Everyone,

                                                           

                                                          I am Yogesh from the Illustrator team at Adobe.

                                                          We are exploring ways to provide a bigger canvas in Illustrator. Like any other feature, larger canvas has its own share of complexities, functional as well as performance, and we are looking for your feedback. We would like to hear your requirements *if you need larger canvas in your work*.

                                                           

                                                          Please fill out the survey:

                                                          U2U Feedback on Larger Canvas Survey

                                                           

                                                          Thanks,

                                                           

                                                          Yogesh

                                                          Product Manager

                                                          Adobe Illustrator

                                                          • 67. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                                            InvokeDesign Level 1

                                                            Thank you for taking an interest in this, and providing a survey!

                                                             

                                                            I have a similar issue in regards to PDFs, that might not be related to this, but would appreciate a response:

                                                             

                                                            There is a PDF size limitation of 5 meters (about 196.8") that I ran into when printing decals. My cutting software will produce a PDF with registration marks, which is printed, then the cutter reads the marks and cuts out the decals after printing. I am unable to create long strips of decals (for bottle labels in this case) beyond that limit (PDF ends up blank).

                                                             

                                                            Is there any plans to exceed this PDF size limit? It happens on windows and mac, so i imagine its a adobe or postscript error.

                                                             

                                                            Thanks!!!

                                                            • 68. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                                              7thheavengtr Level 1

                                                              Agree. Canvas NEEDS to be allowed to go larger for signage and vehicle wraps.

                                                              Shame this is being ignored.  I might have to investigate CorelDraw for this job I have now that Illustrator CAN'T do.. even

                                                              after it was suggest by many, recommended and submitted as a request YEARS ago.  Great Job Adobe, keep up the great work!

                                                              • 69. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                                                Franky Spills Level 1

                                                                Put me down on the Petition for larger Canvas sizes in illustrator.

                                                                 

                                                                I work in TV and Film.  I'd love to be able to work 1:1 on vehicle wraps,  large signs, large props, CNC files and etc.  Can I work at a smaller scale and have my vendors scale up on their end to the correct size? Yes.  My vendors also have better things to do with their time than fiddle with my art, it sometimes creates issues... and bless their hearts- sometimes they scale incorrectly. We move extremely quickly in my industry I'm sure lots of others on here do as well.  There can be miscommunication between me and my vendors when it comes to scaling and final art size.... If I could just say, "Hey guys- it's already set to the proper scale.  Just hit print!" My god, they would smile.

                                                                 

                                                                I have no idea what it would take on the programming/software side of things to make a larger canvas available to Illustrator's users but I would love to stop bumping into and having to work around this limitation. So would my vendors (printers, cutters, fabricators).

                                                                 

                                                                Thanks Adobe.  Love your software. 

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                                                                • 70. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                                                  HS_Finlayson

                                                                  I used FlexiSign way back in the '90s (I was in the sign industry in the '80s-'90s)... and loved it... better than Gerber's (crap) software at the time.

                                                                   

                                                                  EDIT... My apologies, I thought this reply would have nested under the comment that I (thought I) was replying to.

                                                                  • 71. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                                                    annav78789132 Level 1

                                                                    I work in the large format printing. To all those who say 1:1 is silly, please come spend a day with us. It is a struggle everyday to us to make sure all proportions are correct. Most of times we use photos and to be accurate on the quality it is helpful to be able to work 1:1. It is annoying to be thinking about all work outs for this issue. You are also limited to quantity of the artboards, due to the size limitations. I don't want to take extra steps that are wasting my time, where they must be a fix. C'mon Adobe, we live in the 21st century.

                                                                     

                                                                    I say yes to unlimited size of the boards.

                                                                    • 72. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                                                      BobbyH5280 Level 3

                                                                      Does your RIP software not allow you to scale objects to print in specific percentages (for example 200%)? Any decent RIP application should allow specific size scaling along with nesting of multiple jobs to print on the same sheet of material. For our in-house printing it's rare that we have jobs coming out of our HP Latex 360 printers that are any longer than 20 feet. Bigger jobs like billboard faces have to be jobbed out and I'm always uploading those files to the service bureau via ftp at 1" = 1' scale.

                                                                       

                                                                      If I'm wanting to design signs at full size in Illustrator this becomes a problem is when I'm designing a really large, high rise pylon sign or depicting a building sign on an entire elevation of a building. I often use CorelDRAW for that purpose to take advantage of its larger 1800" X 1800" max art board size. But even in that application I'll end up dumping building elevations down to 50% or 25% of their full scale.

                                                                       

                                                                      People keep mentioning "unlimited art board size," but I want to know an example of any vector-based drawing application that delivers on such a thing. Everything I've tried (and I've tried a lot) has either had a hard upper limit on art board size or, in the case of certain sign making applications, the application would become increasingly unstable and even crash -that goes for Flexi and its CASmate predecessor. Speaking of Flexi, we use Flexi 12 and Flexi Cloud in my shop for certain sign production tasks, like driving vinyl cutters. But the application is really pretty clunky when it comes to designing signs from scratch. I really don't like its text handling limitations; it doesn't offer complete support of OpenType features.

                                                                      • 73. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                                                        Tomy-rex Level 2

                                                                        Bobby, I think the golden egg would be to choose the canvas size.  That way, if I was working on a small set of icons, I would only need a canvas size of a few hundred pixels that contains the miniature artboards that I need.  If I'm working on a signwriting project for the side of a 40 ft shipping container, I could create a canvas accordingly. 

                                                                         

                                                                        This also means that if I'm working on a small project, I select a small canvas, and it will actually make my PC run faster because of the reduced processing.

                                                                         

                                                                        The way I visualize a larger project working is that when you create a canvas over a certain size, you get a popup saying that the size of the canvas may reduce the stability of the program.  It should then warn you to only continue if your laptop is above a certain specification.  That way, users do it at their own risk, but any professional graphic designer should have a computer powerful enough to cope with the extra processing, if not then they can expect to have problems.

                                                                         

                                                                        That way, you get the best of both worlds...  get your cake and eat it with a cherry on top.

                                                                        • 74. Re: Add the ability to scale the canvas beyond it's archaic 227 inch limits.
                                                                          BobbyH5280 Level 3

                                                                          Illustrator already gives a user a fair amount of flexibility in choosing canvas sizes in six different units of measurement, including pixels. But canvas sizes can go only so big.

                                                                           

                                                                          I wish Adobe Illustrator would provide more flexibility on document raster effects settings. If Adobe can move Illustrator beyond its current 227" X 227" canvas size limit the raster effects setting will become more important. It's already not difficult to crash Illustrator if a decent sized layout is loaded with lots of live effects rendered under a medium or high raster effects setting.

                                                                           

                                                                          A beastly computer will get a user only so far. It won't make an application pushed to or beyond its mathematical limits crash proof. The instability I spoke of earlier regarding sign making applications like Flexi and CASmate had more to do with how the application was engineered. Even simple layouts on canvas sizes larger than 100' or 200' could get dicey on a well configured desktop computer. People believe vector-based artwork translates to infinite scaling but that's not really the case. There will be trade-offs with implementing a larger maximum canvas size.

                                                                           

                                                                          As it stands, there are other limitations that will frustrate users. I do a lot of large scale design work in CorelDRAW. But I often have to convert all my type to outlines on large designs due to Corel's 3000 point maximum for text objects.

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