16 Replies Latest reply: Jul 11, 2013 4:18 AM by Liam Dilley RSS

    Option to Add Meta Data to Web Page on V3 dashboard

    Frank Branker Community Member

      Where is the option to add mata date in the V3 dashboard?

        • 1. Re: Option to Add Meta Data to Web Page on V3 dashboard
          mario_gudelj MVP

          Go to your web page under Site Manager > Pages > Page Properties and enter the meta data.

           

          Cheers,

           

          -mario

          • 2. Re: Option to Add Meta Data to Web Page on V3 dashboard
            Frank Branker Community Member

            I still cant find it are you sure?

            • 3. Re: Option to Add Meta Data to Web Page on V3 dashboard
              mario_gudelj MVP

              Hi Frank,

               

              Here's the screenshot of the button you need to click:

               

              page-properties.jpg

               

              Cheers,

               

              -mario

              • 4. Re: Option to Add Meta Data to Web Page on V3 dashboard
                Liam Dilley MVP

                Can not use it Mario.

                 

                1. It's Page title has no effect or difference with page title, same with products and web apps etc.

                2. Using that wraps the body content in full html even if there is a template selected.

                3. If you have meta from the previous means of Meta data using this will add other meta tags, not replace them so you end up duplication.

                4. If you add a description change/clear and re-add it again it keeps the existing html from the last time and just adds another meta so you end up with two meta tags the same, one with content, one with empty content.

                 

                So I can not get our clients to use it due to the problems it introduces. At one point the engineers were even going to remove this.

                • 5. Re: Option to Add Meta Data to Web Page on V3 dashboard
                  mario_gudelj MVP

                  Not sure I understand. I just used that Page Properties box to add a description to this page http://mgtrain.businesscatalyst.com/bctest.htm and it worked. If you look at the source it's there.

                   

                  Cheers,

                   

                  -mario

                  • 6. Re: Option to Add Meta Data to Web Page on V3 dashboard
                    Liam Dilley MVP

                    Hey mate.

                     

                    1. Add a title in there, you will see it wont change. This causes confusion.

                    2. View the page source:

                    Screen shot 2012-05-28 at 22.26.33.jpg

                    This is not good of course when your using a template and plays havoc with custom designs in a variety of ways with how the system behaves.

                     

                    2. Delete the meta description you added, save the page and remove it again.

                    You will see that the system does this:

                    Screen shot 2012-05-28 at 22.27.45.jpg

                    You can see that the system makes a blank descript and a 2nd one with the changed content. Search engines will read the first and error because you have two. Not good of course

                     

                    3. If you have Meta added from the old Meta method and a client uses this in Version 3 it doubles up and you can end up with two keywords, two meta and two titles.

                     

                    It is a real mess.

                    Try use it for blogs and products and you get the same problems as well as a couple of extra ones for products.

                     

                    I sent all these situations direct to the engineers on the problems.

                     

                    As an aside you have title which is important right at the top on pages but then it is hidden away for products and catalogs. If you do not add it for a product then it takes the Catalogs name or title which is bad. Ok it does something but because it is hidden away actual users of sites forget to do it.

                    • 7. Re: Option to Add Meta Data to Web Page on V3 dashboard
                      Skeggs91 Community Member

                      Liam,    Has this been resolved? What's the best way to add a "meta description" tag and "robots meta" tag to site pages? Can I use the V3 interface or do I need to switch back to the old interface? I'd prefer to not make a mess of the page code if V3 does not work.   Thanks,  Brian

                      • 8. Re: Option to Add Meta Data to Web Page on V3 dashboard
                        Frank Branker Community Member

                        Title Tags & SEO

                         

                        I worked fine for me but if you want to be sure you can put you own header information into the HTML in your page. I’m going to ramble on because other people may find this information useful

                         

                        Things have change with search engines and the only thing that is important is your title information in the header and how you write it.

                         

                        First let's talk about meta tags. Meta elements are HTML or XHTML elements used to provide information about a web page for the search engines and website users.

                         

                        Such elements must be placed as tags in the head section of a HTML document. These elements are the:

                         

                        Title Tag,

                        1. Description.

                         

                        Keywords (No one uses these anymore and you can get spam "points" for overuse of keywords on Bing and Google, so just forget them. If you have keyword stuffed "spammy" ones, you probably want to fix those.)

                         

                         

                         

                        For now it’s back to the basics with SEO! And nothing is more basically important to a site than properly written title tags. You know the ones that used to appear in the little blue bars in your browsers. Most modern browsers try to conceal these, though that doesn't stop them being helpful!

                         

                        So what is a title tag? Why is it important to SEO, and how do you write the darn things?

                        A title tag is THE MOST IMPORTANT SINGLE TAG in your page. It tells the search engines what your page is about. It is still vitally important to paid or organic SEO strategy.

                         

                        Think of title tags like the title of the chapter of a book. It tells people and search engines what your page is about.

                         

                        Title tags are also part of what makes people decide whether to visit your site when it shows up in the search results. The title tag should contain important keywords to help the search engine determine what the page is about.

                         

                        NOTE: Every experienced SEO has their own unique methods to doing this, so I'm going to give you best practices along with some of my methods

                         

                        When you do a search on Google, the information that shows up is in the title tag so you need to write title tags for humans but format them for search engines.

                        Every page on your site has an opportunity to rank high on search engines for a particular keyword,

                        Quick Checklist

                         

                        When you're writing your title tag what do you need to know? Here's a quick checklist with some tips on how to write optimized title tags:

                         

                        Length: Title tags should be a maximum of 70 characters long, including spaces.

                         

                        Keyword Placement: Your most important words (keywords) need to be first in your title tag, with your least important words being last in the title tag (most to least). 

                        Keyword Separation: Use pipes | to separate important (keyword) phrases (no commas, underscores, dashes or any other punctuation unless the keyword is written that way).

                         

                        Wording: Keep your important phrases short and simple. Leave out words that would make it read like a sentence. (e.g., and, if, but, then, etc.)

                         

                        Company Name: If your company name is not part of the important (keyword) phrases, put it at the end of the title tag or leave it out. If it is part of your important words, put it as the first words in the title tag. Some SEOs will tell you to leave it out. You can leave it in for branding purposes – so people will see the brand and click. This isn't valid for all sites.

                         

                        DON'T DUPLICATE Title Tags: They must be written differently for every page. Don't mass replicate your title tags.

                         

                        Make It Relevant: Title tags must be written to be descriptive of the content on the page. (e.g., the About Page would be:

                         

                         

                         

                        About | Important Keywords | Company Name

                         

                        or

                         

                        Important Keywords | About Us | Company Name.

                         

                        Google & Title Tags

                         

                        Sometimes Google doesn't like your title tag. In fact, sometimes Google thinks it can pick a better one, so it will rewrite the tag for you. There are several places it might get this information, most of them you won't prefer to one you crafted yourself.

                         

                         

                        While there isn't any assurance your title tag won't be replaced, make sure you write a title tag that is page related, content descriptive, short and sweet, and not keyword stuffed. This is your one defense.

                         

                        Keyword Stuffed Title Tags

                         

                        You've probably come across badly written title tags that try to rank for everything or repeat a word over and over. Keyword stuffing is the worst offense when it comes to title tags. (You will be penalize)

                         

                        Say your site is trying to rank for Blue Bells and Yellow Bells. Many times you will see the main keyword repeated multiple times across the title tag. It might appear like this:

                         

                        Blue Bells, Yellow Bells, All Types of Bells | Bells Bells and More | Doors.com

                         

                        This is bad title tag writing. You don't need to repeatedly write the keyword. Google especially can pick up the keywords like your eyes can read them, so you would best to rewrite this as

                         

                        Blue & Yellow Bells | Doorbells | Doors.com

                         

                        We removed the extra words, combined the products (if possible you would split these products to separate pages, a blue and a yellow, but this isn't always feasible or desirable) and added a category keyword which would appear in the middle of the title tag on all doorbell related page titles, then end it with the domain name (again this is for branding purposes – there are also good reasons to not do this, it depends on the SEO).

                         

                        Now our title tag is short, sweet, simple, and to the point. We have also categorized it and added in branding for good measure.

                         

                        We also took out the word "and" and replaced it with an ampersand (&) so that you don't accidentally relate the two items and make Google think you want people who are looking for Blue AND Yellow Bells.

                         

                        And there you go, a basic lesson in title tag writing. This can be the most challenging and fun part of any SEO's work! Or should that be "Inbound Marketer's" work?

                         

                        Some Title Tag Writing Examples

                         

                        Let's look at a few examples of writing title tags with actual examples.

                         

                        If your important words (keywords) were "Charlie Sheen" and "Winning" your title tag would be written in that order:

                         

                        Charlie Sheen Winning

                         

                        Charlie Sheen would be the first words in the tag.

                         

                        Now what if we had more than one set of words? What if my keywords were "Charlie Sheen Winning" and "Tiger's Blood"? Your title tag would still be written with "Charlie Sheen Winning" as the first words in the tag. Then you would add a pipe | and "Tiger's Blood" as the second phrase:

                         

                        Charlie Sheen Winning | Tiger's Blood

                         

                        Don't use hyphens, underscores, commas or any other type of character – just pipes.

                         

                        Now what if we had more than one set of words and a company name we were not worried about optimizing for (the company name was not part of the reputation issue). If my words were "Charlie Sheen Winning" and "Tiger's Blood" and "CBS", you would separate these three phrases with pipes, with CBS last and farthest from the beginning, which Google sees as the least important phrase:

                         

                        Charlie Sheen Winning | Tiger's Blood | CBS

                         

                        The company name can be repeated in every title tag as long as it as not part of the important words and appears at the far right end of the title tag.

                         

                        What about sentences? Couldn't you just write a sentence such as "Charlie Sheen Says Winning And Tiger's Blood And Gets CBS Riled Up"? You could, but those extra words like "says", "and", and "riled", dilute your important words and make them less important to content, so best to keep it short, simple, and clear. Leave out the extra words.

                         

                        Once you’re finish with all of this its time to submit you pages to the search engines. You will need to create an XML & HTML sitemap.

                         

                        WebAssist Surveyor – Build and submit HTML and XML sitemaps in Dreamweaver

                         

                         

                        http://www.justdreamweaver.com/blog/2008/07/webassist-surveyor-build-html-and-xml-sitemaps -in-dreamweaver/

                         

                        Don’t forget to check each page ranking monthly and make the necessary tweaks to your title information as needed. (Each page needs to rank for a unique key word on your site)

                         

                        I’m going to stop now but that’s only the start of organic search engine optimization.

                        • 9. Re: Option to Add Meta Data to Web Page on V3 dashboard
                          Liam Dilley MVP

                          Sorry to be a negative post here but that's a lot of out dated information there. some of it wrong, some of it outdated and some of that a bit odd. Also copy and paste from a few places it seems

                           

                          Here is a statement from one of the recent seo google events just a few weeks ago:

                           

                          Often a single title might not be the best one to show for all queries for a page, so our algorithms may generate alternative titles to make it easier for our users to recognize relevant pages. If you recently changed the content of your page and its title, it may take some time for our algorithms to notice it. While we can't guarantee that your new title will be used, if it's descriptive, informative, there's a fair chance it will be.

                           

                          Just as one example.

                           

                          You do know bc generates the sitemap in this system itself as well? ^^

                          • 10. Re: Option to Add Meta Data to Web Page on V3 dashboard
                            Frank Branker Community Member

                            Thanks Liam

                            Thanks for jumping in with you update Liam. A lot of members will benefit from this discussion. In my opinion the business of organic SEO is dynamic. Today’s strategies are outdated tomorrow. It’s a cat and mouse game staying in the top 25 results with my key words.

                            The important site map feature is buried in the site settings. Please correct me if I’m wrong. It only gathers information from the root of the site and avoids all the pages in my directories.

                            I your recent SEO Google event did they discuss backlinks and if so, do you have any information you can you share on the post?

                            Thanks in advance

                            • 11. Re: Option to Add Meta Data to Web Page on V3 dashboard
                              Liam Dilley MVP

                              Hi Frank,

                              No, it is not burried away.

                              You have no setting for this under the new UI. It happens autoamtically when you take a website live. At any time you can upload your own sitemap.xml to the root and this will be used instead. Remove it and BC will re-activate the automatic one within 12 hours.

                               

                              You should watch the google SEO channel and their documention some time. You will see while keywords are of course a key aspect to SEO it is not by far everything which you post indicated too. In fact google keep making changes like what i quoted about the titles in that they are much more looking at the content and also making more of a fuss about site optimisation and rewarding you for well made sites as well as the content. You do not get punished for poorly made sites of course but you benifit greatly.

                              • 12. Re: Option to Add Meta Data to Web Page on V3 dashboard
                                Frank Branker Community Member

                                Thanks for the heads-up on the Google channel.

                                 

                                 

                                have a good weekend

                                http://affordablecmssolutions.com/

                                • 13. Re: Option to Add Meta Data to Web Page on V3 dashboard
                                  matt_no7 Community Member

                                  Hi Liam

                                   

                                  I had a similar problem. Have three different announcements that have the same H1 which seems to default to page title and overules the page properties title. Thanks for reporting, looking forward to this being fixed.

                                   

                                  Matt

                                  • 14. Re: Option to Add Meta Data to Web Page on V3 dashboard
                                    DandyDahlia Community Member

                                    Hi Liam et al,

                                     

                                    Sorry to be a bit late to the party.. i'm a bit confused aka newbie.

                                     

                                    So in conclusion... Is the best SEO thing to do to add onto the "individual product large" template content.

                                     

                                    < html>

                                    < head>

                                    < meta name ="description" content=" {tag_custom2}" /> ** as you can't use tag-descriptions as too long and will get penalised.

                                    < meta name = "keywords" content =" {tag_custom1} "/> ** as there is no keyword tag

                                    < /head>

                                    < body>

                                    < h1>{tag for product name</h1>

                                    < /body>

                                    < /html>

                                    (without the extra spaces etc)

                                     

                                    So not onto the sitewide template? but then there is no html in individual product large...Sorry for my ignorance. I've googled and read all I can find with BC SEO and there are so many varying mentions... or if there is a single place to get a definite answer please let me know

                                    • 15. Re: Option to Add Meta Data to Web Page on V3 dashboard
                                      thriftgirl Community Member

                                      The fastest way to rank your pages is connecting them to Facebook using Open Graph Meta Tags - every object needs it's own page with it's own Meta Tags  This is for a simple video app I made and connected to the product page on BC and it works just fine.  The app is here:  apps.facebook.com/headlightrestoration

                                       


                                      <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN" "//www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/loose.dtd">

                                      <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xmlns:fb="http://ogp.me/ns/fb#"> 

                                      <head prefix="og: http://ogp.me/ns# fb: http://ogp.me/ns/fb# video: http://ogp.me/ns/video#">

                                      <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />  





                                        <meta property="fb:app_id" content="147887761995700" />

                                        <meta property="og:type" content="video.other" />

                                        <meta property="og:urlcontent="https://cez1.com/fbshops/index.php?id=2" />

                                        <meta property="og:title" content="Headlight Restoration for Safe Driving at Night?" />

                                        <meta property="og:image" content="https://cez1.com/fbshops/images/logo/ez-1-chp-alert-fb.jpg" />

                                        <meta property="og:image" content="https://cez1.com/fbshops/images/product/anti-static.jpg" />

                                        <meta property="og:image" content="https://cez1.com/fbshops/images/product/final.jpg" />

                                        <meta property="video:actor:id" content="100003735008066" />

                                        <meta property="video:duration" content="65" />

                                       

                                      OR, you can go to Schema.org and use the markup Google, Bing and Yahoo all agree on... All the information is free on Google's Webmaster Tools and Help Pages.

                                      Adobe BC Sites are like driving a Rolls Royce - everyone gets out of the way and nobody bothers you so quit worrying about SEO and just be authentic and use the

                                      mark-up at Schema.org and watch what happens over time. 

                                      • 16. Re: Option to Add Meta Data to Web Page on V3 dashboard
                                        Liam Dilley MVP

                                        Completly not true. Sorry but who said to you that the Facebook meta does wonders for your SEO?

                                        It helps a bit in terms of exposure but the meta has no bearing on your SEO in this context. It is used to help facebook pickup what you want it to for the varius uses of facebook.

                                         

                                        Schema has merit, but its not a means to make a massive improvement to your SEO, it is a means ot help pinpoint the certain content elements to save time for the crawling search bot and also remove the means for it to decide what it thinks your doing.


                                        Same with no clear heading 1 tag and opening paragraph on a page, your basically allowing a search bot to choose what it thinks it should read in this context. Could be wrong, could be something with the wrong keywords etc.

                                         

                                        Yep, you need to implement things like this to use them, but they defiantly not a means for massive SEO improvements. This is simply not true.

                                         

                                        One phrase you will here said a fair few times if your around the right SEO circles - Content is king!