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    [Consolidation-Locked] Tethered Capture for Nikon D800

    PrestonPage Community Member

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      Still not working with LR4.1 released today.  Are there plans to support tethered capture for the Nikon D800? 

       

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        • 1. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
          Ian Lyons ACP/MVPs

          Tethered capture in Lightroom is dependent upon the camera vendor SDK. Since the D800 is not currently supported you can take it that the SDK is either unavailable or came too late for inclusion in Lr4.1, which it will be 4.2 at the earliest.

           

          A full listing of supported cameras is provided here

          • 2. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
            PrestonPage Community Member

            Hi Ian.  Thank you!  It is a pity, but based on your reply, I've started immediate plans to abandon Lightroom for competing products.  The lack of lens correction profiles is also a disappointment and I'm still having issue with some D800 RAW files with the LR4.1 and ACR 7.1 releases.  I know the Nikon D800 Camera SDK released December 2010 at the same time as the D4 and D800 NEF/RAW SDK.  Given that lead time, I don't believe that SDK availability presented a barrier for D800 tethered capture support, even for the LR 4.0 delivery. It looks like support for the new Nikon flagship cameras are just a very low priority on the Lightroom product roadmap.

            • 3. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
              Ian Lyons ACP/MVPs

              PrestonPage wrote:

               

              I know the Nikon D800 Camera SDK released December 2010 at the same time as the D4 and D800 NEF/RAW SDK.

               

              Not sure how the SDK supporting tethering for D4 and D800 was released two years before the cameras where even released to the market.

              • 4. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                PrestonPage Community Member

                The math actually works out to about one year.  Camera makers don't release SDKs after cameras are released to market.  I know that Nikon generally releases its camera and file SDKs 12 months or more before the first production run to give vendors like Adobe time to integrate support into their products.  The SDKs released 12/10/2010 and the first test production runs started 12/12/2011.   This information is readily available from Nikon. 

                • 5. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                  bob frost Community Member

                  The date of release of the D4 and D800 SDKs is given on the Nikon SDK website as 12/4/10, which reversed gives the 10th of April 2012. Just look down the list of dates and you will see that the first number is the year of release.

                   

                  https://sdk.nikonimaging.com/apply/

                   

                  Bob Frost

                  • 6. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                    jules_1973 Community Member

                    This really sucks.  I'm cancelling my D800 order if I do not have lens profiles and Lightoom support.  I hear LR 4 is buggy anyway with the tone curves (says Chris Marquardt from tfttf).  A lack of lens profiles and tethered support is exactlty why I am dumping the Olympus E5 platform. 

                     

                    Toronto Boudoir Photography

                     

                    NOTE: There was a bug involving custom Tone Curves created in Lightroom 3.x. If the catalog was converted to version 4.0, the tone curves were "lost" (the information was still in the catalog file, but not applied in the Develop module). The 4.1 update has fixed this issue, it will even recover the missing Tone Curve adjustments in catalogs updated from LR3.x to LR4.0.

                     

                    Message was edited by: Brett N

                    • 7. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                      PrestonPage Community Member

                      Toronto Budoir - I started using DxO Optics Pro for the D800 lens profile and RAW processing.  The results are much, much better than ACR 7.1 and Adobe's Lens Correction profiles when I ran a series of comparisons with Nikon D700 files I'd already put throught the Lightroom workflow.  The Adobe lens profiles are a bit iffy anyway.  You'll notice that there is a rating system, from 1 to 5, supposedly a measure of the quality of the profile.  There are a few profiles for a 0.0mm f/0.0 lens (I think that is just a hole) rated 5 stars, so that calls the other profiles into question. 

                       

                      I'd never have looked at DxO Optics Pro if Lightroom already had D800 support, so in a way I'm greatful.  Do yourself a favor and at least take the 31 day trial of DxO Optics Pro for a spin. 

                       

                      For tethering on Windows, I found TetherPro, which supports the D800 and works well.  If you are a Mac user, I'm sure there are like products.

                      I'm still ironing out a new workflow.  Lightroom still plays a role for me for cataloging, printing and exporting files, but I'll never use the the Adboe RAW processing or lens correction features again.  With DxO up front, tethering to Lightroom doesn't make sense anyway.

                       

                      Preston Page Photography

                      • 9. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                        Jeff Schewe Community Member

                        PrestonPage wrote:

                         

                        Camera makers don't release SDKs after cameras are released to market.  I know that Nikon generally releases its camera and file SDKs 12 months or more before the first production run to give vendors like Adobe time to integrate support into their products.

                         

                        Uh huh...what planet are you from?

                         

                        How can you possibly believe the Kool-Aid that a camera SDK could POSSIBLY released 1 year before the camera was released with the final camera firmware?

                         

                        What you are sprouting is SciFi (and bad SciFi to boot)...it may take up to a year before a camera maker gets around to finally updating the camera SDK. There is ZERO chance they could produce a usable SDK 1 year before a camera was released...seriously, what are you smoking? Care to share?

                        • 10. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                          PrestonPage Community Member

                          Hi Jeff - I'm not drinikg the Adobe Kool-Aid, to be sure.  I don't smoke, but I will share, if you're up for it, a reality check, directly from Nikon: https://sdk.nikonimaging.com/apply/.

                           

                          It shows the dates Nikon released the D4 and D800 camera and RAW file SDKs released together on 12/4/2010.  I downloaded the D800 SDK myself on 12/10/2010 and again last week.  A file compare shows no changes, meaning the design parameters were solid several months before the SDK was made public.

                           

                          What stretches credulity is the claim that Adobe did not have the SDK in sufficient time to support the D800. 

                          • 11. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                            Jeff Schewe Community Member

                            PrestonPage wrote:

                             

                            Hi Jeff - I'm not drinikg the Adobe Kool-Aid, to be sure.  I don't smoke, but I will share, if you're up for it, a reality check, directly from Nikon: https://sdk.nikonimaging.com/apply/.

                             

                            No, it shows the date one could APPLY for the camera SDK...what is the date of the camera SDK RELEASE? Has it been released? Based on the final release firmware SDK? Apply vs release are different dates I would expect...the only thing your url indicates is the date Nikon started telling 3rd parties aout the possibility on a model named D800...it does not prove when Nikon actually released a usable SDK for camera tethering–if indeed that they have done so–I don't know, but it's unrealistic that Nikon released a useful SDK in 2010 for a camera realeased in 2012...again, what are you smoking?

                            • 12. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                              PrestonPage Community Member

                              Jeff, I'm frankly baffled by your position and tone.  I can only assume that you are new to reviewing camera SDKs and that you didn't apply to download the Nikon SDKs to investigate further the file revision history.  The column header above the dates reads "Update" and means the date that the SDK files were last updated.  For the D4 and D800, that date is 12/4/2010.  I'm registerd to be notified of SDK revisions, so I know the SDK was available on 12/4/2010.  

                               

                              It looks to me like either someone at Adobe dropped the ball or support for the new flagship cameras has a lower priority than it used to.  Maybe fixing all the bugs in the rather curious Book had developers tied up.  I don't know. 

                               

                              At this point, I don't care.  I have pictures to make and process and can't wait for Adobe to pull Lightroom together for my camera of choice.  There are at least half a dozen camera tethering applications available that support the D800 and I found a great substitute for RAW file handling and lens correction.  Since I started this thread, I've moved on.

                              • 13. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                Geoff the kiwi MVP

                                Preston, so according to your version of the dates on the Nikon site are day month year?? (D4 12/4/10 = 12 April 2010) Then how do you explain the D3X date of 11/02/22 = 11the Feb 2022??

                                Just curious........

                                • 14. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                  Keith_Reeder Community Member

                                  PrestonPage wrote:

                                   

                                  so I know the SDK was available on 12/4/2010.

                                   

                                  No.

                                   

                                  Nikon is apparently using the "Big-Endian" (yy/mm/dd) way of writing dates on that page, so 12/04/10 is 10 April 2012, not much more than a month ago.

                                  • 15. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                    PrestonPage Community Member

                                    April 4, 2010 is the last revision update date, which includes the firmware B:1.01 changes.  Headers in the SDK binaries show initial release 12/4/2010.  The tethering binaries in question were last updated February 20, 2012.   

                                    • 16. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                      PrestonPage Community Member

                                      Geof, I'm looking at dates in the SDK binary headers, not the last revision date on the web site.  The April D4/D800 update includes changes from the firmware B:1.01 release.

                                      • 17. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                        Geoff the kiwi MVP

                                        Well maybe you would ain more traction by posting that information here directly.

                                        Seems funny to me than that no "new" cameras are on the list then such as the rumoured D600??

                                         

                                        PrestonPage wrote:

                                         

                                        Geof, I'm looking at dates in the SDK binary headers, not the last revision date on the web site.  The April D4/D800 update includes changes from the firmware B:1.01 release.

                                        • 19. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                          PrestonPage Community Member

                                          Geoff - I'm no longer looking for D800 support in Lightoom 4 from this forum.  I thought perhaps Adobe would monitor it, but this exercise has been a total waste of time.  I'm happy with work-arounds I found from companies that are more aggressive than Adobe with their support for the D4 and D800. 

                                           

                                          If you are interested in the D600, you can apply to Nikon to get camera SDKs in advance of the public releases.  There is no charge, but you have to sign a non-disclosure agreement to not make public any camera features prior to the official product announcement.

                                          • 20. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                            bob frost Community Member

                                            From: "jules_1973

                                            >I'm cancelling my D800 order if I do not have lens profiles and Lightoom

                                            >support.

                                             

                                            I'm sure that will make some other person waiting for a D800 very happy.

                                             

                                            Bob Frost

                                            • 21. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                              bob frost Community Member

                                              From: "PrestonPage

                                              Jeff, I'm frankly baffled by your position and tone.  I can only assume

                                              that you are new to reviewing camera SDKs and that you didn't apply to

                                              download the Nikon SDKs to investigate further the file revision history.

                                              The column header above the dates reads "Update" and means the date that

                                              the SDK files were last updated.  For the D4 and D800, that date is

                                              12/4/2010.  I'm registerd to be notified of SDK revisions, so I know the

                                              SDK was available on 12/4/2010.

                                               

                                              As I explained in a previous post, the date given by Nikon in that column is

                                              12/4/10. It does NOT say 2010, and the first number - 12 - is the year

                                              (obvious when you look down the list and see the dates on the older cameras

                                              start with 11, 10, 09, 08), and the last number 10 is the day of the month

                                              because some of those numbers are 22, and 30! So the date is reversed -

                                              12/4/10 means 10th April 2012. Different countries have different date

                                              orders. This one is called Gregorian Big-endian date/time format and is

                                              commonly used in Asian countries and is the ISO international standard.

                                               

                                              Bob Frost

                                              • 22. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                                dacdidac007 Community Member

                                                Well put Geoff, I agree totally

                                                • 23. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                                  edk01 Community Member

                                                  SDK nonsense aside, it is now July 30, 2012 and Adobe still haven't gotten their collective a#$%@s into gear and fixed their software for Nikon D800 users. ACR still doesn't convert D800 NEF's properly, LR 4.1 still runs like a 3 legged dog and PS CS6 Lens Corrction STILL doen't list D800 as a Nikon camera.  Thethered capture is STILL not supported by LR 4.x, no wonder Adobe dropped the price, there are other applications priced beter, perform better do more and do better and priced in the same region that LR used to be.  PhaseOne here I come.

                                                  • 24. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                                    PrestonPage Community Member

                                                    I've settled into a workflow using Nikon Camera Control 2 + ViewNX 2 for tethered capture.  The Nikon D800 NEF files transfer and display in about 3 seconds over USB 3.0.  For RAW processing, I use DxO Labs Optics Pro Elite, which does a great job with the lens correction and is much crisper than ACR.  I stil use LR4 for the catalog and printing, but it is slow and I have to reboot frequently because it appears to have memory leaks and other stability problems, so I'm considering PhaseOne. 

                                                    • 25. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                                      tortuga roja Community Member

                                                      Preston, how are you using Camera Control 2 + ViewNX 2 for tethered capture? My (latest version) of C C 2 doesn't recognized the D800. Any help would really be appreciated.

                                                      • 26. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                                        PrestonPage Community Member

                                                        To use with the D800, the Nikon Camera Control version 2.11 updater is

                                                        needed.  The link is:

                                                        http://support.nikonusa.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/61#Anchor-3

                                                        For some reason, the version 2.11 update does not show in Message Center 2

                                                        or the Help->Check for Software Updates.  The latest version of ViewNX 2 is

                                                        also needed, available on the same page.

                                                        • 28. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                                          Tinyhalo

                                                          Now also dumped LR4 due to no tethering support for D800 - Nikon Camera Control Pro 2 seems to be the only one that works BUT it has a lot more (tethering control) features and transfer/download times are incredible in comparison. I just wish they'd include this software with the camera like Canon do.

                                                           

                                                          The Nikon software gets the 43MB NEF files off the D800 and onto my laptop faster than Lightroom did for the 11MB files generated by my D700 which always felt sluggish. At first I though "oh that's nice it's giving me a little preview image so I can see what I've shot while it's waiting on downloading the massive RAW file" - the way the interface looks it seemed it wasn't actually downloading the RAW file and I actually thought it was hanging. It took me quite a while to figure that the "little preview file" was actually the full image already downloaded!! This was a real revelation compared to LR4 - I've stood in shoots and waited A-G-E-S to see images I've shot which drains the energy from a shoot

                                                           

                                                          n.b. my laptop only has USB2 so it's nothing to do with the USB3 interace on the D800.

                                                           

                                                          I really liked LR4 but Adobe is going to lose a whole load of customers who are being forced into alternatives only to find themselves pleasantly surprised.

                                                          • 29. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                                            Geoff the kiwi MVP

                                                            I would expect the next update of Lightroom may well have what you want, that is the way it works, usually!!

                                                            • 30. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                                              bob frost Community Member

                                                              Geoff the kiwi wrote:

                                                               

                                                              I would expect the next update of Lightroom may well have what you want, that is the way it works, usually!!

                                                               

                                                              I wouldn't bet on that! Unless Adobe can replicate a problem in their labs on their computers, they can't work out a solution. I wouldn't stop trying to find out what is different about a computer with a problem from the majority of computers without a problem. I sorted out my LR problems myself, as I have detailed earlier in these threads.

                                                               

                                                              Bob Frost

                                                              • 31. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                                                Geoff the kiwi MVP

                                                                Bob, this is about tethering a D800, nothing else.

                                                                bob frost wrote:

                                                                 

                                                                Geoff the kiwi wrote:

                                                                 

                                                                I would expect the next update of Lightroom may well have what you want, that is the way it works, usually!!

                                                                 

                                                                I wouldn't bet on that! Unless Adobe can replicate a problem in their labs on their computers, they can't work out a solution. I wouldn't stop trying to find out what is different about a computer with a problem from the majority of computers without a problem. I sorted out my LR problems myself, as I have detailed earlier in these threads.

                                                                 

                                                                Bob Frost

                                                                • 32. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                                                  JimHess MVP

                                                                  Tethering doesn't come as quickly and "routinely" as support for raw.  That camera is relatively new, and it may take some time before tethered support can be added.

                                                                  • 33. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                                                    Geoff the kiwi MVP

                                                                    Jim, we are talking many months since the D800 release, this thread is 3 months old now. I would expect the next release would be about right.

                                                                    JimHess wrote:

                                                                     

                                                                    Tethering doesn't come as quickly and "routinely" as support for raw.  That camera is relatively new, and it may take some time before tethered support can be added.

                                                                    • 34. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                                                      Butch_M Community Member

                                                                      Yes ... considering Apple added tethering support in Aperture for the Nikon D800/D4 and the Canon 5dmkIII and 1Dx in May ... and Capture One added support in July ... pretty much without the assistance of any SDK's from either manufacturer ...

                                                                      • 35. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                                                        PrestonPage Community Member

                                                                        Here is the workflow I'm settled on for now...

                                                                         

                                                                        Tethered Capture

                                                                        After trying a number of tethering options for the Nikon D800, the best for my purposes is Nikon Camera Control 2 with Nikon ViewNX 2.  Over USB 3.0, the files transfer and display full screen on average in five seconds.  The interface is solid and I have not experieced the full buffer problem like I used to get with Lightroom and my D700, where after about ten rapid fire shots, the camera would stop firing until the image transfers caught up. 

                                                                        On Windows, a great runner up for $33 is TetherPro, but it suffers a little from the . 

                                                                         

                                                                        Cataloging

                                                                        After a shoot, I import the files to Lightroom 4 for tagging and sorting.

                                                                         

                                                                        RAW Handling

                                                                        There is something slightly off with the way ACR processes Nikon D800 NEF files, so I run my picks through DxO Labs Optice Pro Elite 7.  The difference is really huge.  From DxO, I export back to LR4, which seems to stutter a bit handling the 250 MB TIFF files.

                                                                         

                                                                        Cropping, Spotting, Burning, Dodging, etc.

                                                                        Lightroom 4 really seems to struggle with the size of D800 files on my workstation, going into a sort of spasm if I turn on an adjustment brush.  So I moved most of the routine to in Photoshop CS6.

                                                                         

                                                                        Printing

                                                                        I still like Lightroom for printing.

                                                                         

                                                                        Web Site Generation

                                                                        This featue seems robust and I use it all the time. 

                                                                        • 36. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                                                          tortuga roja Community Member

                                                                          Preston, I'm using a similar workflow sans the DxO software. I have always tethered with Camera Control and ViewNX, but until you let me know via this thread, I was under the impreesion that even Nikon hadn't supported my new D800 yet. I am very happy with this flow. I use LR only for cataloging and culling. Then PS for all editing. This works smooth for me on a pretty lightweight system but it should be understood that a lab does all of my printing and I only shoot for my gallery sales - no events or weddings. 5 new keepers a week and I'm rockin'!

                                                                           

                                                                          Now that I have the latest Camera Control, the tethering is a breeze so I'm in no hurry for LR to offer it in an update. Thanks!

                                                                          • 37. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                                                            PrestonPage Community Member

                                                                            I shoot primarily fashion and beauty, so 2,500 images plus video isn't

                                                                            unusual for a typical day.  The workflow I have isn't entirely ideal, but

                                                                            that NCC 2 transfer speed is very welcome.  And I forgot to mention that

                                                                            for location scouting, landscapes and times when I'm not in the studio and

                                                                            need a sort of Polaroid, I've been using an Eye-Fi card tethered to an

                                                                            iPad.

                                                                            • 38. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                                                              pjapk Community Member

                                                                              Having just tried tethering my D800 to LR4 for the first time (then google leading me here) I'm rather disappointed.

                                                                               

                                                                              I'm thinking the cheaper tethering solution would actually be to just buy Aperture if it's already supported as it's around half the price of Camera Control with far more additional functionality.

                                                                               

                                                                              Adobe really need to get themselves sorted...

                                                                               

                                                                              Paul

                                                                              • 39. Re: Tethered Capture for Nikon D800
                                                                                tortuga roja Community Member

                                                                                Has anyone tried "ControlMyNikon" software? It just released a new Beta that supports the D800. If it works like they say, it would be pretty cool against Camera Control 2 and it is only $30!

                                                                                 

                                                                                http://www.controlmynikon.com/index.html

                                                                                 

                                                                                Michael

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