25 Replies Latest reply on Jun 6, 2012 1:42 PM by Steven Pribilinskiy

    Amazing Edits in CS6

    Steven Pribilinskiy Level 1

      After all Bug Reports, decided to make some screen recordings about the amazing editing power introduced in CS6. I would like to thank Premiere Pro Team for adding the power of Selectable Edit Points, as in many cases this is a huge time saver.

       

      Of course there's more to this. It's just a screening of practice from the recent project. There's enough educational material from adobe tv, creative cow, video2brain, lynda, etc.

        • 1. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
          shooternz Level 6

          I dont understand  this entire post and the videos you have posted.

           

          Each ended with a crash!

           

          What is the exact reason or purpose of this post? Are you making some kind of sarcastic point?

           

          You seem to be establishing yourself as our resident "Crash Test Dummy"

          • 2. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
            Steven Pribilinskiy Level 1

            You made my day.

            No, I am really don't want to be a Crash Test resident, better a Community Professional or even better an Adobe Employee

            However, currently I would like to work in a bug-free Premiere Pro.

            • 3. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
              shooternz Level 6

              Not sure if Adobe is hiring crash test dummys at the moment ....but I am sure you would be high on the list if they were...due to your considerable amount of issues that are not experienced by the majority of users. You are well qualified for the task and seem to have a great rapport with Adobe employees who attend this site.

               

               

              • 4. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
                Steven Pribilinskiy Level 1

                Nah, they would qualified me just like a beta-tester

                 

                considerable amount of issues that are not experienced by the majority of users

                Quite a bit of issues (currently 18). For each issue I have a workaround, but some can be solved only by developers.

                 

                Here's my latest issue described: http://forums.adobe.com/message/4469426

                 

                The biggest issue is the annoying Save Project dialog - it's not in the background. And when the project starts to be huge it takes few seconds to save. Could you imagine a progress bar pop-up every minute in some Word processor. FCP don't have that. And don't start telling that I have to send a Feature Request, because this is a 10+ year old Feature Request.

                 

                My partner fcp editor said he didn't experienced a crash with fcp for 5 years after switching from premiere.

                I tried fcp 7 in a Hackintosh system and disliked for compatibility issues, but fcp x looks quite alluring.

                http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro/top-features/#revolutionary

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                Please don't start blaming me about the link, I even don't have a mac and don't plan to buy one. Please just discuss.

                 

                Oh, not again! Started from compliments, ended with criticizm.

                 

                [Offensive language removed]

                • 5. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
                  tclark513 Level 3

                  Have you updated all your drivers and re-installed the suite?  It does look like you have some problems from a bad install.

                  Make sure your anti-virus software is turned off when installing.

                  • 6. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
                    Steven Pribilinskiy Level 1

                    you have some problems from a bad install.

                    CS6 dot.oh is out only for a month, and I am already reinstalled it three times and even created an installation on a separate partition with clean Windows install.

                    Please be more precise, what problems you are telling about?

                    Are you tried to reproduce any of the issues?

                    • 7. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
                      tclark513 Level 3

                      How about your drivers?  Are they ALL up to date?  Video and Audio?

                      • 8. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
                        Steven Pribilinskiy Level 1

                        Audio Drivers? Please be more specific. About which issue you are talking about?

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                        • 9. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
                          tclark513 Level 3

                          If you have on-board audio or a separate audio card they need up to date drivers.  I had old audio drivers once and Premiere would crash until I updated them.

                          • 10. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
                            Harm Millaard Level 7

                            H: and Q: are dead slow. I suggest you get more or bigger disks or change your setup to some raid volumes, although with your CPU it may not really help to go to raid arrays. I'm not really surprised by all your problems with a system that is so heavily taxed.

                            • 11. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
                              TradeWind Level 3

                              shooternz wrote:

                               

                              I dont understand  this entire post and the videos you have posted.

                               

                              Each ended with a crash!

                               

                              What is the exact reason or purpose of this post? Are you making some kind of sarcastic point?

                               

                              You seem to be establishing yourself as our resident "Crash Test Dummy"

                               

                              The reason he posted these is to show how awesome the trim tools are in CS6, that he's pleased with them despite other posts he's made about issues in CS6. It wasn't a complaint.

                               

                              Those crash screens you're seeing at the end are just other YouTube videos that load by default when his video end (they're not part of his videos at all).

                               

                              So no, he wasn't being sarcastic, nor having any problem, only pointing out - praising, in fact - that the new trim tools are quite capable.

                               

                              I realize there's a tendency to jump all over Steve whenever he posts anything around here lately (I've unsubscribed to a few threads myself to resist that urge), and he's not been the most "friendly" poster, but this is a case where you're picking a fight and there is not one. You misunderstood his post.

                              • 12. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
                                Jim Curtis Level 3

                                It's possible some of your problems are related to hardware: bad RAM stick, bad cable, unseated PCI card, drive going bad, corrupted driver, corrupted OS, etc. 

                                 

                                The thing about NLEs (any brand) is that they're one of the most stressful of any desktop applications, due to the fact they call on practically every computer resource, the RAM, the GPU, the io busses.  It's not that unusual to only have problems with your NLE software, when everything else seems to be working OK.

                                 

                                I suspect that if one person is having issues that the majority of users with similar equipment aren't, the hardware is a likely suspect.  You may be barking up the wrong tree. 

                                 

                                I am even guilty of this.  I posted some rants about PrCS5.5 not working right, and my issue turned out to be drive related.  I removed the drive, and my issues vanishted.  Whoops.  That was embarrassing.

                                • 13. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
                                  Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                                  If anyone wants to make video tutorials, please use me as a resource. I can help add value to your tutorials by checking them for accuracy and give you advice on how to make them better. Just send me a PM and I'll do my best to help out.

                                   

                                  If the tutorials are helpful and accurate, I can link them into Help and promote your work. More here:
                                  http://blogs.adobe.com/kevinmonahan/2010/10/19/promote-your-articles-and-tutorials-at-adob e/

                                   

                                  Here's a good article describing how to make better video tutorials:
                                  http://www.blendernation.com/2007/01/31/how-to-produce-a-good-video-tutorial/

                                  • 14. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
                                    Steven Pribilinskiy Level 1

                                    H: and Q: are dead slow.

                                    H: and Q: are file dumps - movies, isos, music, etc. Rarely accessed and not by Premiere.

                                    I suggest you get more or bigger disks

                                    If you would observe the table, you would find out that there are other discs too:

                                    Partitions
                                    C: (NTFS)89999 MB (39065 MB free)
                                    D: (NTFS)1863.0 GB (295.8 GB free)
                                    E: (NTFS)488.3 GB (177.9 GB free)
                                    F: (NTFS)195.3 GB (40.0 GB free)
                                    G: (NTFS)2794.4 GB (2161.0 GB free)
                                    H: (NTFS)2794.5 GB (45.7 GB free)
                                    L: (NTFS)300.5 GB (100.1 GB free)
                                    M: (NTFS)683.6 GB (264.2 GB free)
                                    P: (NTFS)443.2 GB (58.0 GB free)
                                    Q: (NTFS)683.6 GB (19.1 GB free)
                                    X: (NTFS)2794.4 GB (2161.0 GB free)
                                    Total Size13128.7 GB (5360.9 GB free)

                                     

                                    Harm, thanks for trying to help.

                                     

                                    Thanks Christian for clarifying. Now I understand why shooternz said that "Each ended with a crash!". It's because after playback is finished, YouTube service shows posters of similar videos and there was those crazy crash dialog boxes

                                     

                                    There's less and less issues remaining, but I would like to describe each in this forum as it's more convenient than Creative Cow for example, and you actually can see that an Adobe Employee is reading and replying to these.

                                     

                                    Am I fighting by telling the facts?

                                    Christian, I can reproduce almost all of the issues on a remote PC of my colleague with Core i7 920, 16 Gb RAM, GeForce 280.

                                    How to discuss Bug Reports in a more "friendly" manner, so that you will not jump over me, but try to reproduce and thus help in removing bugs from future versions of Premiere.

                                     

                                    One may also experience some of the issues and then will recall my discussions. Each editor have different workflow so that is why many editors didn't experienced the issues yet.


                                    A link to a related Discussion is added to each Bug Report and Feature Request, so that they will find the details and the screen recording and if they want to I can give a remote control access for some Adobe Engineer to dig deeper in order to solve the problem - if an issue cannot be easily reproduced, I leave the project and the sources.

                                    After sending a Bug Report we just end up with

                                    Thanks for your feedback! Requests and suggestions from our customers are what help us to continue creating cutting-edge, world-class software.

                                    Responses to inquiries are generally not possible. However, we may contact you if we need clarification on your submission.

                                    But it looks like nobody is interested in this.

                                     

                                    On a related note I want to recall a Post from Todd Kopriva:

                                     

                                    39. Todd_Kopriva,

                                     

                                    Adobe Employee

                                      May 12, 2012 7:41 PM    in reply to Jim Curtis 

                                    Report

                                    > I got an email back from an Adobe employee within ten minutes (telling me one of my requests - a scrub toggle shortcut - was already in CS6).  YMMV, but I was impressed.

                                    Speaking as one of the people who does the job of reading the feature requests and bug reports for After Effects (it's a rotating job), I can say that we absolutely read, log, tally, and consider every submission. We don't answer every submission, but we often do answer if we need more information. I know that I answer if (as in this case) the requested feature already exists.

                                     

                                    Don't count on responses being immediate, either. My usual workflow, when it's my turn, is to process the submissions once a week or so---though that differs from person to person, application to applicaiton, and even depending on what part of the release cycle we're in.

                                     

                                    I'm not in the rotation for the Premiere Pro submissions, but I work very closely with the people who are, and I know that they take this part of the job very seriously.

                                    It's sad that Tim Gogolin (linkedin), Steve Hoeg, Peter Lee, Gerry Miller, James Mork, Vivek Neelamegam, Axel Schildan, Jerry Scoggins, Sven Skwirblies, Tod Snook, Jesse Zibble are not participating in community.

                                     

                                    I posted some rants about PrCS5.5 not working right, and my issue turned out to be drive related

                                    Jim, which issue is solved?

                                     

                                    Thanks Kevin, I saved the links, but I have to finish the work asap. This is year will be hard. If I start to do something, that will be not earlier than in 2013.

                                    • 15. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
                                      Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                                      It's sad that Tim Gogolin (linkedin), Steve Hoeg, Peter Lee, Gerry Miller, James Mork, Vivek Neelamegam, Axel Schildan, Jerry Scoggins, Sven Skwirblies, Tod Snook, Jesse Zibble are not participating in community.

                                       

                                      We have lots of employees participating in the forums. Keep in mind, these folks are busy people that are working on new stuff for you, as well.

                                      • 16. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
                                        Steven Pribilinskiy Level 1

                                        They should work harder

                                        • 17. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
                                          Jim_Simon Level 8

                                          I think they've worked their butts off to bring us this amazing new suite.

                                          • 18. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
                                            Steven Pribilinskiy Level 1

                                            Maybe more busy folks should be hired.

                                            • 19. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
                                              Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                                              Steven Pribilinskiy wrote:

                                               

                                              Maybe more busy folks should be hired.

                                              Maybe, however, we on the Premiere Pro team have absolutely no control over that.

                                              • 20. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
                                                Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                                                Steven Pribilinskiy wrote:

                                                 

                                                They should work harder

                                                I don't think that's possible.

                                                • 21. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
                                                  Steven Pribilinskiy Level 1

                                                  tclark513, Harm, Jim, can you post here your pc specs?

                                                  Jim, congrats for 20000 posts

                                                  • 22. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
                                                    Jim_Simon Level 8

                                                    I have two.

                                                     

                                                    Primary Edit Rig:

                                                    i7 920

                                                    12 GB DDR3 1600

                                                    GTX 460

                                                    Windows 7 Pro 64

                                                     

                                                    Personal Computer:

                                                    i7 2500

                                                    8GB DDR3 1600

                                                    GTX 560Ti

                                                    Windows 7 Pro 64

                                                    • 23. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
                                                      Steven Pribilinskiy Level 1

                                                      Primary rig have almost same specs as a remote pc available to me. Will try each issue on a remote pc in the weekend and will create a summary Discussion with a table of all the issues I am experiencing and a column with a Rating of reproducibility.

                                                      • 24. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
                                                        Harm Millaard Level 7

                                                        Currently only 'Harm's Beast', a simple i7-920/24GB/GTX 480/17 TB storage/ etc. but Planning and Building a new system with the nickname 'Harm's Monster'

                                                        • 25. Re: Amazing Edits in CS6
                                                          Steven Pribilinskiy Level 1

                                                          Great site! I remember PPBM since Premiere Pro released, it was a simple .prproj test file, and I totally forgot about it. But now I see the site is evolved with tips and articles and as I can see, you are the co-founder. Thanks for recalling about it. With CS5.5 and older I didn't have neither reason to upgrade.