10 Replies Latest reply on Apr 1, 2013 1:16 PM by jangell2

    refine edge need some help

    capt marvy Level 1

      I am using cs5 and I can use most of the tools, but refine edge throws me for a loop, when I think I have it, it says bye bye. Is there a tutorial that explains what all the sliders are for and how to use it, at least get me some understanding and get me close

      Kas

        • 1. Re: refine edge need some help
          Noel Carboni Level 8

          This video gives a decent idea how to use it:

           

          http://tv.adobe.com/watch/the-russell-brown-show/masking-basics-in-photoshop-cs5/

           

          -Noel

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          • 2. Re: refine edge need some help
            Trevor.Dennis Adobe Community Professional

            This video added something new for Refine Edge for me

             

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssJRkbkHAa4

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            • 3. Re: refine edge need some help
              capt marvy Level 1

              Thanks for the input

              Kas

              • 4. Re: refine edge need some help
                jangell2 Level 1

                I've reviewed various video tutorials for the refine edge/mask function in CS5 or CS6 (I have CSk6) and most of them use fairly easy to do photos.  There is high contrast and marked  color differences between the subject and the background.  Is there a tutorial out there that tackles  a difficult photo?  A photo in which there is less contrast and color difference between subject and background.

                 

                I frequently photograph cats I'm usually snapping them where I find them.  I've got a picture of two black cats and a brown plastic basket.  I'd like to keep all that (and there fringes of their furr and their whiskers) and knock out the background which is darker but not totally black.  So far its tought going.

                 

                I realize I'm asking a lot here, but perhaps there are techniques to improve the results?

                • 5. Re: refine edge need some help
                  Noel Carboni Level 8

                  Post a part of a representative photo at full resolution; perhaps that will elicit more specific guidance.

                   

                  -Noel

                  • 6. Re: refine edge need some help
                    jangell2 Level 1

                    Ok, here's a portion of a photo.  I used photoshops Save for Web to cut down its size, but I think it still has plenty of detail.  I've done no processing on this.  I do plan on correcting things like under exposure.

                     

                    BeBe.jpg

                    • 7. Re: refine edge need some help
                      Noel Carboni Level 8

                      I guess the trick is to find the right balance of Refine Edge and post masking corrections/adjustments that gets you a result in fairly short order.

                       

                      Would less than 10 minutes work be acceptable to achieve this level of result?  I don't have a good feel for what you're going to be putting behind the felines digitally in the end.

                       

                      What went into this was Quick Select, then some adjustments to both the mask and the pixels that make up the cat doing things like Dodging and Burning, as well as a bit of touch up on the mask by painting white/black.

                       

                      You can ultimately touch up the pixels around the edges to help make them blend into the background better, once you get it on the actual background it's going to go with.  That way fine hairs that have remnants of light backgrounds that look too light can be darkened.

                       

                      As with most digital work, more prep time to get better data to start with usually results in easier editing.

                       

                      MaskedCat.jpg

                       

                      2013-03-31 13:31:57 Photoshop launched

                        Reset Tool Presets of current application

                        Play action “New Image from Clipboard” of set “Hot Keys”

                        Select quick selection

                      Quick Selection

                      Quick Selection

                      Quick Selection

                      Quick Selection

                      Quick Selection

                      Quick Selection

                      Quick Selection

                      Quick Selection

                      Quick Selection

                      Quick Selection

                      Undo

                      Redo

                      Undo

                      Refine Edge

                        Refine Edge

                         Radius: 7.9 pixels

                         Contrast: 26%

                         Smooth: 0

                         Feather: 0 pixels

                         Shift Edge: 18%

                         With Smart Radius

                         Without Decontaminate Colors

                         Output: Selection

                      Refine Edge

                        Refine Edge

                         Radius: 0 pixels

                         Contrast: 0%

                         Smooth: 0

                         Feather: 0 pixels

                         Shift Edge: 0%

                         Without Smart Radius

                         Without Decontaminate Colors

                         Output: New Layer with Layer Mask

                        Select layer “Background”

                         Without Make Visible

                      New Gradient Fill Layer

                        Make fill layer

                         Using: fill layer

                         Type: gradient

                         Angle: 90°

                         Type: linear

                         Gradient: gradient

                         Name:  “Copper”

                         Form: custom stops

                         Interpolation: 4096

                         Colors: color stop list

                         color stop

                         Color: RGB color

                         Red: 151

                         Green: 70

                         Blue: 26

                         Type: user specified color

                         Location: 0

                         Midpoint: 50

                         color stop

                         Color: RGB color

                         Red: 251

                         Green: 215.914

                         Blue: 196.86

                         Type: user specified color

                         Location: 1229

                         Midpoint: 50

                         color stop

                         Color: RGB color

                         Red: 108

                         Green: 46

                         Blue: 22

                         Type: user specified color

                         Location: 3400

                         Midpoint: 50

                         color stop

                         Color: RGB color

                         Red: 239

                         Green: 219

                         Blue: 205

                         Type: user specified color

                         Location: 4096

                         Midpoint: 60

                         Transparency: transparency stop list

                         transparency stop

                         Opacity: 100%

                         Location: 0

                         Midpoint: 50

                         transparency stop

                         Opacity: 100%

                         Location: 4096

                         Midpoint: 50

                      Crop

                        Crop

                         To: rectangle

                         Top: 0 pixels

                         Left: 0 pixels

                         Bottom: 2446.2 pixels

                         Right: 1856 pixels

                         Angle: 0°

                         With Delete Cropped Pixels

                         <unknown>

                         false

                        Select burn

                        Select layer “Background copy”

                         Without Make Visible

                      Dodge Tool

                      Burn Tool

                        Select previous history state

                      Burn Tool

                        Select mask channel

                         Without Make Visible

                        Exchange Swatches

                        Select brush

                      Brush Tool

                      Brush Tool

                        Exchange Swatches

                      Brush Tool

                        Exchange Swatches

                        Select burn

                        Select dodge

                      Dodge Tool

                      Dodge Tool

                      Dodge Tool

                      Dodge Tool

                      Dodge Tool

                      Dodge Tool

                      Dodge Tool

                      Dodge Tool

                      Dodge Tool

                        Select brush

                        Exchange Swatches

                      Brush Tool

                        Exchange Swatches

                      Brush Tool

                        Exchange Swatches

                      Brush Tool

                      Brush Tool

                      Brush Tool

                      Brush Tool

                      Brush Tool

                        Select dodge

                      Dodge Tool

                      Dodge Tool

                      Dodge Tool

                      Dodge Tool

                        Exchange Swatches

                        Select brush

                      Brush Tool

                        Select dodge

                      Dodge Tool

                      Dodge Tool

                        Select burn

                      Burn Tool

                      Burn Tool

                      Burn Tool

                      Burn Tool

                        Select previous history state

                        Select dodge

                      Dodge Tool

                      Dodge Tool

                      Dodge Tool

                      Dodge Tool

                        Select RGB channel

                         Without Make Visible

                        Select burn

                      Burn Tool

                      Burn Tool

                      Burn Tool

                        Select previous history state

                      Burn Tool

                      Burn Tool

                      Burn Tool

                      Burn Tool

                      2013-03-31 13:40:34 File C:\TEMP\MaskedCat.jpg saved

                        Save

                         As: JPEG

                         Quality: 9

                         With Optimized

                         Matte: none

                         In: C:\TEMP\MaskedCat.jpg

                         1404

                         With Copy

                      2013-03-31 13:40:39 File  closed

                        Close

                         Saving: no

                      2013-03-31 13:40:41 Photoshop quit

                       

                      -Noel

                      • 8. Re: refine edge need some help
                        jangell2 Level 1

                        10 minutes would be terrific to achieve what you did.  You also did what I plan on doing, putting a gradient behind the image.  I've being doing a quick select, a refine edge with output to a mask.  You did a refine edge with output to a selection.  Another refine edge (with default settings) to produce a mask.

                         

                        Why not go to a mask out of the first refine edge?  Do you use the Refine Radius Tool?  Were the Dodge and Burn Tools used to lighten and darken edges?

                        • 9. Re: refine edge need some help
                          Noel Carboni Level 8

                          That was just an accident; I meant to output to a masked layer but mistakenly didn't change the setting in the Refine Edge dialog.

                           

                          -Noel

                          • 10. Re: refine edge need some help
                            jangell2 Level 1

                            I wonder if making a high contrast copy of the image and using that for the refine edge process would improve the results?  BTW, do you use the Refine Radius Tool brush?