10 Replies Latest reply on Apr 1, 2013 10:49 PM by MartyR99

    Issues with Lighting Effects

    Noel Carboni Level 8

      Filter - Render - Lighting Effects seems to be somewhat less than perfectly functional for me.


      Unlike another recent poster, I'm seeing the controls okay, but they don't actually seem to work properly.  Worse, I can reliably produce a crash.


      I have an ATI Radeon HD 5670 and Catalyst 12.6 (latest released) drivers for Windows 7 x64, Advanced mode GPU operation.  My detailed system info can be found here:  Link


      Chances are this is a display driver issue, but I want Adobe to know about it.


      Here's what I see...


      For testing I create a middle-gray square document, 8 bits/channel, sRGB, then start the Lighting Effects filter on it:





      If I toggle the preview setting off and on a number of times, this happens:





      This is reproducible, though it sometimes takes more or less Preview toogles.  Here is the pertinent information from several such Photoshop crashes:








      Next I am going to try Normal and Basic mode to see if they make any difference with this problem.  I'll follow up here.



        • 1. Re: Issues with Lighting Effects
          Noel Carboni Level 8

          I think I misstated the problem above...  The controls do seem to work okay.  The crash is the only issue.  I just need to toggle Preview on and off multiple times.


          It seems to fail equally easily in Normal and Basic modes too.



          • 2. Re: Issues with Lighting Effects
            SG... Adobe Employee

            Hi Noel,


            Thanks for reporting this here. I'll see if I can reproduce with my 5870 card first, and then try a 5670 if needed. Do you have anything else set in the Catalyst Control panels or is it a default install?




            • 3. Re: Issues with Lighting Effects
              Noel Carboni Level 8

              I have my own calibration loading via Catalyst Control Center at startup via a preset, but other than that it's all defaults.  I have a dual monitor system (two 1600 x 1200 pixel displays).  I can capture the other screens in CCC as you'd like.




              Let me know if there's anything more I can supply for you, and if you want me to try anything (including debugging with Visual Studio) I am equipped to do it.


              One other thing I've noticed with several recent Catalyst versions (12.2, 12.4, 12.6) is that the OpenCL setting in Photoshop CS6 alternately becomes unavailable or available (and checked).  I haven't detected a pattern, though the various accelerated tools (e.g. Blurs) always seem to work and are fast.  I created a thread on that a while back, but got no resolution.  Since that thread I've seen the same behavior with 12.6.



              • 4. Re: Issues with Lighting Effects
                MikeKPhoto Level 2

                Noel, followed your example and no crashes on my system (Intel 4000 card with latest production drivers) but horribly slow, probably the slowest filter I have ever tried - Basically unusable.....


                Adobe Photoshop Version: 13.0 (13.0 20120315.r.428 2012/03/15:21:00:00) x64
                Operating System: Windows 7 64-bit
                Version: 6.1 Service Pack 1
                System architecture: Intel CPU Family:6, Model:10, Stepping:9 with MMX, SSE Integer, SSE FP, SSE2, SSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, HyperThreading
                Physical processor count: 4
                Logical processor count: 8
                Processor speed: 3392 MHz
                Built-in memory: 16272 MB
                Free memory: 3469 MB
                Memory available to Photoshop: 14657 MB
                Memory used by Photoshop: 60 %
                Image tile size: 128K
                Image cache levels: 4
                OpenGL Drawing: Enabled.
                OpenGL Drawing Mode: Advanced
                OpenGL Allow Normal Mode: True.
                OpenGL Allow Advanced Mode: True.
                OpenGL Allow Old GPUs: Not Detected.
                Video Card Vendor: Intel
                Video Card Renderer: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000
                Display: 1
                Display Bounds:=  top: 0, left: 0, bottom: 1080, right: 1920
                Video Card Number: 1
                Video Card: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000
                OpenCL Version:
                Driver Version:
                Driver Date: 20120319000000.000000-000
                Video Card Driver: igdumd64.dll,igd10umd64.dll,igd10umd64.dll,igdumd32,igd10umd32,igd10umd32
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                Video Card Caption: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000
                Video Card Memory: 2112 MB
                Video Rect Texture Size: 8192
                Serial number: 91198812271284256640
                Application folder: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CS6 (64 Bit)\
                Temporary file path: C:\Users\MIKEPH~1\AppData\Local\Temp\
                Photoshop scratch has async I/O enabled
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                Plug-ins that failed to load: NONE
                   Mini Bridge
                Installed TWAIN devices: NONE

                • 5. Re: Issues with Lighting Effects
                  Noel Carboni Level 8

                  Thanks for adding that info, Mike.  It adds a bit of additional evidence that the crash problem is likely rooted in the ATI driver.


                  It sounds as though you're not getting any GPU acceleration with the Intel driver.


                  I find the filter operates fluidly in real time, and when I want to use it for actual results I'll just have to remember for now to avoid toggling the [ ] Preview checkbox.  It seems to deliver its results back to the image okay if I do that.


                  At first I had thought it was malfunctioning, as the angle of the light didn't change, but then I realized I was changing Infinite Light 1 instead of Spotlight 2.



                  • 6. Re: Issues with Lighting Effects
                    MikeKPhoto Level 2

                    This is the only feature that is sluggish on my system - and I am sure GPU is working so maybe a bug in the GPU acceleration with this filter



                    • 7. Re: Issues with Lighting Effects
                      Noel Carboni Level 8

                      Steve, FYI, I just reproduced the problem on a Windows 8 system running in a VM with a completely different display driver...  All I had to do was toggle the Preview checkbox about 9 times.


                      Faulting application name: Photoshop.exe, version:, time stamp: 0x4f61c045

                      Faulting module name: MSVCR100.dll, version: 10.0.40219.1, time stamp: 0x4d5f034a

                      Exception code: 0xc0000005

                      Fault offset: 0x000000000003c1b0

                      Faulting process id: 0xe70

                      Faulting application start time: 0x01cd69b8b734b561

                      Faulting application path: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CS6 (64 Bit)\Photoshop.exe

                      Faulting module path: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CS6 (64 Bit)\MSVCR100.dll

                      Report Id: 2c939db1-d5ac-11e1-9bb1-000c29dfe0ac

                      Faulting package full name:

                      Faulting package-relative application ID:





                      • 8. Re: Issues with Lighting Effects

                        I have Windows 7, 16 gigs ram, and updated drivers, CS6, and when I use the lighting effects it crashes Photoshop.   Same problem as everyone else here.   what can I do?   It seems that no one has a solution!

                        • 9. Re: Issues with Lighting Effects
                          MikeKPhoto Level 2

                          While I am not experiencing a crash when using the filter it is woefully slow to initialize (see my post above). But crashes reliably toggling the preview on and off.


                          Faulting module is msvcr100.dll



                          Here is the capture from the Win7 (x64) Action Center




                          Would be good to get an update on where this issue is as it's been out there a while





                          • 10. Re: Issues with Lighting Effects

                            Was this ever resolved?  I'm having the same issue with CS6 crashing after toggling Preview on/off several times while working with Filter > Render > Lighting Effects and I can reliably cause the failure.  I'm on Windows 7 64-bit, PS CS6 realease 13.0.1 x64, using Gigabyte HD7970 with Intel i7-3770 with 32GB RAM (Vingeance).  Performance is excellent on almost all advanced functions in CS6, and this is the only hard failure issue I've experienced.  If I avoid the Preview button at top of screen, I am able to create the effect & save results, and I have found that I can toggle the eyeball on/off on a Smart Object Layer containing the Lighting Effects and that does NOT cause a failure so far...